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I'm glad the article got posted, but I'm not sure what qualifies it as a great read. I'm proud of the stance Magitt took Sunday night. The man is a leader. Otherwise it was a fluff piece rightly countered by the Hyams quote. With talent in place, Butch now finds himself at the deep end of the pool....and his feet won't touch the bottom.

I don't think he'll make it past next year. I hope I'm wrong. He's a great caretaker, but he is not coach enough to get us over the hump in my opinion.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Bro don't try to act like you know what I do for a living.

Blaming college kids is pathetic. Seriously as low as you can get.
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Then when do you start? These college kids are the ones who have to make this happen. If they were in the work force and didn't do something right, they would be blamed. If they don't turn in their school work, they are blamed. If they don't execute a defense, it is the coaches fault?
 
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TylerFlip said:
so literally EVERY play is garbage? Last time i checked those plays had us winning every game. The players are the ones who have to grind this out and execute. People only want to criticize the coaching (which is deserved) but my god man the coaches cant hold their hand and make the tackles and catch the passes for them.

This is the problem with people these days, they always want to criticize the coach, manager, ceo, ect ect but not the people actually doing the work or playing the game.

If your manager gave you a job to do but you didn't perform the job correctly whose fault is it?

Honesty reading this board gives me a lot of insight into who is in leadership positions at their work. Typically those blaming the coach for everything are the ones who will never be a manger or in a leadership position.
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Really? Well I put just about all of the blame on Butch and his staff. Do you want to compare employment histories?
 
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tbcollier21 said:
Then when do you start? These college kids are the ones who have to make this happen. If they were in the work force and didn't do something right, they would be blamed. If they don't turn in their school work, they are blamed. If they don't execute a defense, it is the coaches fault?
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If everyone is failing a class, it might be he teachers fault. Just an FYI. You must be a teacher
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
If everyone is failing a class, it might be he teachers fault. Just an FYI. You must be a teacher
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Way off on the teacher guess.

I really want to know when you believe you should start holding these college kids accountable for what they do? Does a switch magically flip when they graduate? I agree that the play calling leaves something to be desired, but the actions on the field determine the game.
 
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When they become professionals. When they give up their amateur status. I'm never going to blame teenagers when there are adults getting paid millions to teach them.
 
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tbcollier21 said:
Way off on the teacher guess.

I really want to know when you believe you should start holding these college kids accountable for what they do? Does a switch magically flip when they graduate? I agree that the play calling leaves something to be desired, but the actions on the field determine the game.
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The coach's, in addition to calling the plays that you now admit leave "something to be desired", are responsible for which players are on the field executing said plays. Take for instance the QB position. If your starting QB is unable make an accurate 15+ yard throw to stretch the field....you find someone who can. Additionally coaches....I mean good coaches....find a way to tailor the playcalling to the strengths of the team and individual player, not rigidly adhere to a one size fits all method of running a team because the system, in his opinion, is "infallible". Sorry Pope Butch...the system is very much 'fallible.

One more point....no player on the team (that I'm aware of) makes nearly $4,000,000 yearly in public funds to do his job. That level of jack generally brings a much higher level of accountability with it than does a scholarship to play ball for said coach.
 
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So a 20 y/o in the work force right now should be held accountable for their actions at work, while a 20 y/o on the football field shouldn't?
 
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tbcollier21 said:
I never realized it was Butch who was called for two defensive holding penalties in the OU game. I really must have turned away when he then let Florida convert five 4th downs and took bad angles on a 4th and 15.
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Yeah, but young man they keep putting in Colton Jumper which is a coaches decision.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Bro don't try to act like you know what I do for a living.

Blaming college kids is pathetic. Seriously as low as you can get.
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Bro with that attitude i can guarantee you are not a manager or in a leadership role.

They are 18 year old not kids. That is the issue lets just cuddle them and not put any blame on someone its all the coaches fault.

Thats some bs, i bet you want the losing team to get trophy's too right? People have to be accountable they dont get a pass.
 
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TylerFlip said:
Bro with that attitude i can guarantee you are not a manager or in a leadership role.

They are 18 year old not kids. That is the issue lets just cuddle them and not put any blame on someone its all the coaches fault.

Thats some bs, i bet you want the losing team to get trophy's too right? People have to be accountable they dont get a pass.
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Dude Im a UT alumni and live in Atlanta. I don't work at Cracker Barrel. Keep blaming teenagers, while I will blame people making $3.5 million. I guarantee those kids will be around longer than these coaches.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Very brave of him but the losses aren't on the players.
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It's easy to blame on the coaches, but let's be real. This is a team sport and the blame falls on the coaches and the players.

We can debate all day that if Butch goes for it on 4th and goal, we win the OU game. Or if Butch goes for 2 we win the FL game. Or if Medley makes the field goal we win the FL game. Or if Williams doesn't fumble inside the 5 we win the AK game.

The fact is, there are multiple things that happen in a game that determine the outcome. To blame the coaches on losing close games is extremely short sighted IMO.

If we were getting blown out in every game, then sure, blame it all on the coaches. There is enough fault in our 3 losses with both the coaches and the players.

I'm sure your reply will be, but, the coaches have to prepare the players and that's why they aren't making plays. But come on, seriously...

Please understand I'm not blaming anything on the players or coaches solely, just saying you can't just blindly blame either group.
 
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jps2194 said:
It's easy to blame on the coaches, but let's be real. This is a team sport and the blame falls on the coaches and the players.

We can debate all day that if Butch goes for it on 4th and goal, we win the OU game. Or if Butch goes for 2 we win the FL game. Or if Medley makes the field goal we win the FL game. Or if Williams doesn't fumble inside the 5 we win the AK game.

The fact is, there are multiple things that happen in a game that determine the outcome. To blame the coaches on losing close games is extremely short sighted IMO.

If we were getting blown out in every game, then sure, blame it all on the coaches. There is enough fault in our 3 losses with both the coaches and the players.

I'm sure your reply will be, but, the coaches have to prepare the players and that's why they aren't making plays. But come on, seriously...

Please understand I'm not blaming anything on the players or coaches solely, just saying you can't just blindly blame either group.
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rrrrribbery!
 
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Great article. Thanks for posting UTChicago!

I largely agree that people are overreacting. To me, the most important thing to look is improvement versus decline. With Derek Dooley, it wasn't merely that he had poor records; it's that the program was in worse shape every year he was here. We're not seeing the same thing with Butch Jones. The record doesn't show it yet, but the program has most certainly improved.

That said, I do think criticisms of aspects of the coaching are fair game. I'm particularly annoyed by the consistent weakness of the passing game over the past three years. A lot of issues on defense can be explained by injuries, lack of depth, and young players. The passing game has never clicked, though, regardless of circumstances.

But honestly, I think Butch is doing about 90% right and maybe 10% wrong. Unless that equation changes, or it becomes apparent that the 10% that is losing games will never improve, then I want him as head coach. I'm hoping that Butch will prove to be like Mark Dantonio in time. Dantonio had an awful third season as well with a lot of close losses, but ended up winning 11 games his next season.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Very brave of him but the losses aren't on the players.
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I can't believe people type crap like this where anybody can read it. Did you happen to see the 4th and 14 play in the floriduh game that went for a 6 million yard td with 3 dbacks around the receiver when he caught it and nobody could put a hand on him? Or the offensive line not being able to pass block and just about getting Dobbs killed all the time. I could go on and on but there's no point. You can coach guys on how to take angles to the ball carrier and how to tackle somebody but these guys should've already learned that in high school.
 
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$3.5 million to kick a FG when your ball is on the goal line, rushing 3 with a spy on 4th & 15, and going for 1 when up 12 must be money well spent to you.
 
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The coaching is definitely a legitimate reason for all the concern over where the football program is and has a huge hand in the outcome of the losses this year. But to say the players have no culpability is short sighted and wrong.
 
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