Great Read: Tee Martin on Fulmer Landing Spot, Kiffin Impressions

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I would like to know what Fulmer has said to former players about Kiffin.

I can understand guys that played under Fulmer in the 90's being a little hesitant to come jump on Kiffin's bandwagon. I do know there are a lot of players that came through UT that dislike Fulmer too.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Oh, so I'm the consipiracy theorist in all of this because I don't believe that Fulmer has been holding secret meetings with old players and telling them to be cold to Kiffin?
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Doesn't have to be secret meetings; but is it possible that, out of a sense of loyalty, they are taking their lead from him by his actions and demeanor.
 
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+1.
but couldn't it also be argued that martin is a kiffen guy and kiffen asked martin to speak negatively about him to create contraversy, get people talking about UT more and get recruits? as part of the master plan?
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#29
#29
I think he still wants to coach, and he is obviously a Division 1 – SEC, ACC – type of coach. If there’s a situation where a program wants to take itself to new heights – like one of those mid-majors that wants to become BCS bowl eligible, I think he will take on that challenge as well. But I see him at a big-time job in a year or two.
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IMO, Tee missed this one. I don't see Fulmer at a big time job in a year or two. However, he might be right about the mid-majors. Personally, I don't see a big time school hiring him. JMO.
 
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tennisguy said:
IMO, Tee missed this one. I don't see Fulmer at a big time job in a year or two. However, he might be right about the mid-majors. Personally, I don't see a big time school hiring him. JMO.
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Agreed. He can improve the talent of a mid-major type program with his recruiting, which may make him an option for such a program. But there's no reason for an established power that already recruits well to hire him IMO.
 
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Lexvol said:
There is an undeniable theme of wait and see with Kiffin and Co. from players close to Fulmer. I won't go into theories on why that is, but I will say that it is completely distasteful.
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probably due to 5-15
 
#32
#32
If his successes in the win column and on the recruiting trail were so lacking as to get him fired....

At his alma mater, after 16 years, a NC and SECC's, with a 100K seat stadium, unparalleled facilities, millions of fans and enough money to make Solomon blush.

Believing that he'd somehow do better at a mid-major school defies the very bounds of reason.

We already know what he'd do at a major program, so forget that, too.

PF's next gig will have a headset, alright. In a commentators booth. Not on the sidelines.

And to think that with his buyout, a school could have him for free.

Anyone want to make a friendly wager he never coaches at the D-1 level again? PM me.

I'll be standing over here, breathing normally, and not holding it.
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SamRebel35 said:
Oh, so I'm the consipiracy theorist in all of this because I don't believe that Fulmer has been holding secret meetings with old players and telling them to be cold to Kiffin?
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No, you're just too naive on this issue to not see that what Fulmer has done in not welcoming Kiffin influences former players... and that reality is bad for the program. No conspiracy theory is needed to observe that Fulmer has yet to welcome our new coach and those actions are reflected in public comments and public opinion.

What you and I think, of course, is irrelevant. But what CPF does matters.

First, Fulmer needs to accept that he lost his job because he lost too many games and didn't win championships. Second, he needs to demonstrate to his former players how to welcome a new coach. That's what's in the best interest of Tennessee football and anyone who can put the program above himself. I understand that may be asking too much of Fulmer, but I am politely suggesting it's worth his consideration at this stage.

It's time for CPF to be held accountable for his actions with respect to Kiffin. It's that simple.

Personally, (and I could give a rat's arse if you ignore what I think), UT ought to throw him off campus if he can't be professional enough to welcome Lane. Again, see Coach Majors for an example of the way he should be supporting Kiffin.

It's not like Kiffin stabbed him in the back to get the job. And, frankly, until witnessing his recent behavior, I never believed that Fulmer did that to Majors. Yet, it is Fulmer's actions towards Coach Lane Kiffin that make that whole ugly matter seem far more reasonable.

Moreover, I must wonder whether John Majors was right about Fulmer all along.

If Fulmer doesn't Man Up, my bet is that other UT fans will start putting these pieces of the puzzle together just as I have. And, you can look for someone in the local media to facilitate that outcome.

I'd like to see CPF remembered for his contributions to the program, which I consider substantial. But how he is remembered and his legacy at UT is still being judged.

Let's make no mistake about that.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
How is a "wait and see" approach distasteful? That's the approach I have to Kiffin and Co. I'm optimistic, but I'm not ready to give them my first born child the way that some folks are willing to.
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It's ditasteful in that many of these guys are the public face of the program, wrongly I might add. Thinly veiled disdain for the new guy is absolute garbage. 'Wait and See" implies impartiality, which few are showing.
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#36
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If kiffin will do more of his talking on the field from now on, these guys will come around eventually. I really don't care either way. He could be the most hated coach in the nation if he's winning. The thing some people forget is kiffin is still relatively young and said some things he probably wishes he hadn't. Just win football games and things tend to work themselves out. Another thing he's a west coast guy, they do things differently out there and don't always take the high road. Bottom line is... we've stunk up the 2000's so far and if this guy can change that.... then i don't care what he says or who he says it too.
 
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its funny how half this board killed urban meyer for how he handled the shane matthews incident.
yet we do the same thing. todd helton last week, tee martin this week.
they have given more to the school than i ever have or will so i think its perfectly fine for them to give a politicaly correct "wait and see".
if they came out and directly bashed CLK then I would understand better.
 
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velovol said:
I guess you are right. Because Tee has done very little for the program.
I wish they all supported Kiffin too, but they dont.
I for one am interested in all thier opinions.
Why?
Cause they know more about fball and the program than any of us.
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velovol said:
why are you guys getting so mad at these guys for having an opinion.
cpf was the closest things some of the guys had for a father.
They are entitled to thier opinion of clk as much as we are, they gave more to the program than any of us.

I respect the fact they speak thier minds.

before you call me a fulmer supporter, i support and like CLK.

also if you are going to write a page response and support the new coach spell the damn name right
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velovol said:
its funny how half this board killed urban meyer for how he handled the shane matthews incident.
yet we do the same thing. todd helton last week, tee martin this week.
they have given more to the school than i ever have or will so i think its perfectly fine for them to give a politicaly correct "wait and see".
if they came out and directly bashed CLK then I would understand better.
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Are you actually reading the posts between your posts?
 
#39
#39
How much would it hurt just to say "we are going to kick ass and take names"?
 
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velovol said:
its funny how half this board killed urban meyer for how he handled the shane matthews incident.
yet we do the same thing. todd helton last week, tee martin this week.
they have given more to the school than i ever have or will so i think its perfectly fine for them to give a politicaly correct "wait and see".
if they came out and directly bashed CLK then I would understand better.
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did CLK ever come out and say Helton or Tee weren't true Vols? If not then it's nowhere close to the Urban/Matthews situation
 
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velovol said:
its funny how half this board killed urban meyer for how he handled the shane matthews incident.
yet we do the same thing. todd helton last week, tee martin this week.
they have given more to the school than i ever have or will so i think its perfectly fine for them to give a politicaly correct "wait and see".
if they came out and directly bashed CLK then I would understand better.
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The school might have given these guys a little something too, which might entail, in some people's minds, the expectation of a little bit of loyalty to the institution, instead of any single personality.
 
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