Great Article on our Speed issues and angles by former vol

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Please do not bring realistic posts to this forum as you may upset the ones who believe we are loaded in talent. Sarcasm.

Thank you for posting this is a great illustration of our lack of speed.
 
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Thanks for posting. I love the breakdown, but a lot of that isn't speed related. Burton ran 4 yards up field while Coleman had actually backpedaled a yard. His man though had already squatted down for the screen. Quicker recognition would have given Coleman a shot to disrupt the play. The other 2 just took bad angles.

It did all start though with the 9 yard cushion. If the corners are closer that play is DOA.
 
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triadvolfan said:
Thanks for posting. I love the breakdown, but a lot of that isn't speed related. Burton ran 4 yards up field while Coleman had actually backpedaled a yard. His man though had already squatted down for the screen. Quicker recognition would have given Coleman a shot to disrupt the play. The other 2 just took bad angles.

It did all start though with the 9 yard cushion. If the corners are closer that play is DOA.
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Florida's offense may not be this complex, but the WR may not run the same route if the CB wasn't so far off the line.
 
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triadvolfan said:
Thanks for posting. I love the breakdown, but a lot of that isn't speed related. Burton ran 4 yards up field while Coleman had actually backpedaled a yard. His man though had already squatted down for the screen. Quicker recognition would have given Coleman a shot to disrupt the play. The other 2 just took bad angles.

It did all start though with the 9 yard cushion. If the corners are closer that play is DOA.
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I was thinking the same thing. Seemed more like piss poor angles than speed. Obviously with more speed the bad angles would have been made up faster. This falls on multiple years of bad coaching that allowed our players into forming bad habits.

I hope Butch corrects this ASAP
 
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#13 needs to see that play happening and get upfield to disrupt, a la Deon Grant. Don't sit back there and wait. You are toast anyway, so at least get upfield and maybe your teammates can get there to help if he can get a hand on him
 
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Spartacavolus said:
#13 needs to see that play happening and get upfield to disrupt, a la Deon Grant. Don't sit back there and wait. You are toast anyway, so at least get upfield and maybe your teammates can get there to help if he can get a hand on him
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A JR with 3 years in this system would have recognized it.

A True Freshman that can recognize that play on the road is rare.
 
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It amazes me on how Justin Coleman was a 4.4 four star corner. He is incredibly slow. Lets hope these new recruits that come in can maintain their speed.
 
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So, they have them playing that far off the ball at the snap and STILL get burned for the big play.

Sounds about par for the course for Vol football the last decade.
 
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DC Vol said:
A JR with 3 years in this system would have recognized it.

A True Freshman that can recognize that play on the road is rare.
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I don't disagree, but when he saw the ball in the air, he needed to go and make a play. Instead, he sat back and let the ballcarrier determine the outcome. We have to have db's that will come up hard and blow that up.
 
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govols105 said:
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with pics text and diagrams.
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Go back and watch each diagram...Now, granted Swafford is a true freshman, but he reacted slowly and poorly to his keys....

Coleman is backpedaling because we're in Cover 3 and he has deep third...and he actually plays PROPER TECHNIQUE (and he got burned on this type of play on 4th and 5 against Oregon)--but at least Coleman reacts quickly and comes up in proper position to take away the outside shoulder of Burton...

Swafford loses two more yards EVEN after reading his keys, if he's reading them at all. To put it bluntly, Swafford doesn't appear to KNOW HIS ASSIGNMENT!

Once Burton crosses his face--Swafford's assignment is to close behind him and take the receiver in front of him...It's fundamentals, not a lack of speed that is the breakdown on this play! (lack of speed shows up on this play from the LB position).

Additionally, he doesn't react at all to the ball! I don't think this is a lack of speed, but a lack of aggressiveness and physicality at the position. If Swafford would have just come flying up and attempted to make the tackle--it would have delayed the Fla receiver and given AJ and Randolph another second to get there and that second is the difference between a 5 yd gain and a 50 yd TD in the SEC.

Also, Randolph has no excuse on this play. He is THE LAST resort and simply MUST take a proper angle to prevent this guy from scoring.

It's several things all wrapped up in one play. Freshman lack of knowledge and aggressiveness...Randolph's failure to react and take a proper angle is not excusable...Coleman actually played GREAT TECHNIQUE on the play, but failures on the other two could not be overcome.

I believe that this is also a lack of proper coaching.....We'll see how the rest of the season goes and if improvements are made...because Oregon and now Florida burned us on this simple little play for TDs...Other teams will also give us more chances to defend this play.

GO VOLS! :salute:
 
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DC Vol said:
A JR with 3 years in this system would have recognized it.

A True Freshman that can recognize that play on the road is rare.
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Sorry, DC, but I totally disagree. This play is a basic and fundamental play--even in high school football.

I'm not trying to be overly critical of Swafford, but 4 games into the season he should be able to recognize this play--IF he's getting properly coached and applying himself in studying the film.

I'm sure the coaches emphasized how to cover this play since Oregon burned us for a TD on 4th and 5 just 1 week prior....

It's just a growing pain, but it must be corrected. I think Swafford will end up being a GREAT one for us, but he played this particular situation VERY poorly. :salute:
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I don't disagree, but when he saw the ball in the air, he needed to go and make a play. Instead, he sat back and let the ballcarrier determine the outcome. We have to have db's that will come up hard and blow that up.
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Not arguing that at all. Swafford had the chance to make the play and didn't but also Randolph botched his angle pretty bad as pointed out.

Speed is the difference here.

A 4.4 40' time differs to a 4.55 40' time by almost an entire foot/second of velocity.

Though, obviously, Swafford wasn't running a 40' to cut off Patton's release to the outside but had he possessed the acceleration needed to run a 4.4 instead of a 4.55 (and he might be a top end guy with poor acceleration) he could have sealed off that play making it easier for Randolph to cut him off and Sapp/Johnson to catch up.

Coleman actually did better on review than I remember. He recognized it and sealed off the outside (frame 5) which pushed Patton inside against Swafford which was the right play for Coleman.

Additionally, Coleman showed some good speed there. Patton was full speed almost by the time he passed Coleman who was at a dead stop being blocked (Frame 6). Coleman got off his block at 7 being about 2y behind Patton. By 9 he was about 3y behind (bear in mind, Patton was full speed at frame 6) and by 10 he was a full 3 yards behind Patton. By the final frame, he was steadily maintaining at 3 yards behind if not possibly closing it to about 2.5 yards. Sapp also showed some good speed.

I know it was a busted play in a loss, but Coleman and Sutton, outside of busted assignments, have played well and both look to be legit 4.4-4.45 guys.

Again, Coleman was basically at a dead stop with his back to the sideline and his front to Patton and Patton was at full speed. For Coleman to even be able to accelerate and maintain distance shows he is far faster than Waggner and other guys we've put out at CB.
 
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triadvolfan said:
Thanks for posting. I love the breakdown, but a lot of that isn't speed related. Burton ran 4 yards up field while Coleman had actually backpedaled a yard. His man though had already squatted down for the screen. Quicker recognition would have given Coleman a shot to disrupt the play. ...

NO, Coleman has deep 3rd on this play and his TECHNIQUE is to never let Burton get past him on a deep route...Once Burton squats to block, Coleman reacts aggressively and properly to take on the blocker and turn the play back to the inside.

The breakdown is on Swafford and Randolph--and Randolph made the greater blunder in not preventing the man from scoring. :salute:

One cannot help but wonder what would have been the outcome on this play if McNeil (#33) would have been in Swafford's position as the Nickel...
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MikeVol44 said:
Sorry, DC, but I totally disagree. This play is a basic and fundamental play--even in high school football.

I'm not trying to be overly critical of Swafford, but 4 games into the season he should be able to recognize this play--IF he's getting properly coached and applying himself in studying the film.

I'm sure the coaches emphasized how to cover this play since Oregon burned us for a TD on 4th and 5 just 1 week prior....

It's just a growing pain, but it must be corrected. I think Swafford will end up being a GREAT one for us, but he played this particular situation VERY poorly. :salute:
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I'm not saying it isn't a basic play.

There is a huge difference between Florida running this with a 4.4 guy at the Swamp and some podunk Tennessee high school running this with a 4.7 guy.

It wasn't the play itself but the speed it was happening at. Swafford is a young kid and he got caught flat-footed. Florida knew this and attacked him.
 
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triadvolfan said:
Thanks for posting. I love the breakdown, but a lot of that isn't speed related. Burton ran 4 yards up field while Coleman had actually backpedaled a yard. His man though had already squatted down for the screen. Quicker recognition would have given Coleman a shot to disrupt the play. The other 2 just took bad angles.

It did all start though with the 9 yard cushion. If the corners are closer that play is DOA.
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Not that your breakdown is off-the-wall; it's pretty cogent, but you realize Jayson Swain is the one that does the breakdown of this play, right? Or, is this Carl Picken's screen name?
 
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Actually, sorry Triad, yours was just the first I saw, but it seems like a lot of people are giving their own breakdown of the play in lieu of accepting the breakdown of one of the better WR's we have had here in the past decade. Didn't mean to single you out. Gentlemen, I would just listen to Jayson.
 
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And there might be other factors at play here.

UT had just thrown an interception. It was 2nd and 6 and Florida has the ball at midfield and hasn't really moved well on UT through and entire Quarter. Jancek might have had an idea that Florida could try for a deep pass here.

Not that I know what Jancek was thinking... just throwing it out there. I seem to remember UT playing a good bit of press coverage through the game... and playing it effectively.
 
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DC Vol said:
I'm not saying it isn't a basic play.

There is a huge difference between Florida running this with a 4.4 guy at the Swamp and some podunk Tennessee high school running this with a 4.7 guy.

It wasn't the play itself but the speed it was happening at. Swafford is a young kid and he got caught flat-footed. Florida knew this and attacked him.
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I agree with all that has been said but this is the most true statement of all. Swafford was a walk on for a reason. He may be coached up and get it out of him but if he had the skills it took to play SEC football he would have been given a scholarship by some one. He was listed as running a 4.72 by Yahoo out of high school and that is not near fast enough to play in the SEC.

The last 2 weeks have been telling on our team speed and at this point we are just not fast enough.

Edit: I am not slamming on Swafford it just is what it is until Jones has a few years to get some recruits in here.
 
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volfan411 said:
I agree with all that has been said but this is the most true statement of all. Swafford was a walk on for a reason. He may be coached up and get it out of him but if he had the skills it took to play SEC football he would have been given a scholarship by some one. He was listed as running a 4.72 by Yahoo out of high school and that is not near fast enough to play in the SEC.

The last 2 weeks have been telling on our team speed and at this point we are just not fast enough.

Edit: I am not slamming on Swafford it just is what it is until Jones has a few years to get some recruits in here.
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As I pointed out, I don't think we're lacking with speed between Coleman and Sutton. Coleman has been okay to this point and Sutton has played pretty well.

Also, we're getting plenty of speed between Gaulden/Payne/Moseley and even more if we land Berry and somehow reign in Adoree. All 5 of those guys are mid 4.4 or lower.
 
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DC Vol said:
As I pointed out, I don't think we're lacking with speed between Coleman and Sutton. Coleman has been okay to this point and Sutton has played pretty well.

Also, we're getting plenty of speed between Gaulden/Payne/Moseley and even more if we land Berry and somehow reign in Adoree. All 5 of those guys are mid 4.4 or lower.
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Yeah I think Coleman and Sutton have played well for the amount of time they are spending on the field. The thing I like about this defense is they are lining up properly and in position to make plays unlike last year. I believe we will see them start making some of these plays as they mature.

And I cannot wait to get some of those 4.4 guys on the field :)
 
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