GOP votes to sue Obama to require enforcement of a law they oppose

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Sandvol said:
This is what an NHS hospital administrator and nurse (his wife) told me. Strait from the horse's mouth. But, hell, statists would never lie on the internet would they?
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Are you seriously saying that the NHS website is lying? Did you even read the link?
 
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lawgator1 said:
If the goal were to restrain executive power, why would the GOP pick an executive action which it literally supported just a month or two before?

You accuse me of being over-simplistic, but all I am doing is pointing out the obvious contradiction between saying "X will wreck the economy and we think it should be delayed," followed by suing because X is being delayed, as you asked.

Saying it is out of principle about the relationship between the POTUS and the Congress is too easy. Because, if the goal were to prevent bad policy, then you would support the delay.

Now, if the goal is to embarrass the president, or to demonstrate some sort of disdain for him to the GOP base -- and I think we all suspect that is really what this is about -- then I would personally have preferred they just keep voting some more to repeal it. It would be cheaper.
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Why are you so scared about the POTUS being embarrassed & people having disdain for him when he brings this all upon himself. He's acting like he can just do anything he seems to want & gets mad at anyone that says NO to him.....he acts like a spoiled little child that doesn't get his way.
 
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Danl said:
Are you seriously saying that the NHS website is lying? Did you even read the link?
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I talked to and vacationed with two people who work for NHS. So, if the NHS website says that then yes they (website) are lying.
 
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Gramps said:
I like the Brit.
He has ballz of steel.

Agree with him or not, the dude hangs in there and makes his argument.

He has made this thread very entertaining.
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Is he your long lost love child from a previous vacation?
 
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Also, they both showed me their insurance cards. They both carried the cards and said you better have one of these or proof of foreign insurance to get treated if you come to the UK.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
Why are you so scared about the POTUS being embarrassed & people having disdain for him when he brings this all upon himself. He's acting like he can just do anything he seems to want & gets mad at anyone that says NO to him.....he acts like a spoiled little child that doesn't get his way.
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I'm not scared, lol. I really don't think that anyone other than the far right is impressed by this. Certainly no independents think much of it. And even many mainstream Republicans are rolling their eyes at the futility of it.

The more I look at this, the more it seems to me that there is a high likelihood that this is Boehner's way of saying no to the impeachment call. Its a way to attack the President, that everyone knows is going to go nowhere, but it allows all the regular thinking people to go home to the Q & A sessions with the rabid folks and, when asked about impeachment, say they signed on to, voted for, spoke in favor of, the bill to sue him. They can deflect the nonsensical calls for impeachment that way.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm not scared, lol. I really don't think that anyone other than the far right is impressed by this. Certainly no independents think much of it. And even many mainstream Republicans are rolling their eyes at the futility of it.

The more I look at this, the more it seems to me that there is a high likelihood that this is Boehner's way of saying no to the impeachment call. Its a way to attack the President, that everyone knows is going to go nowhere, but it allows all the regular thinking people to go home to the Q & A sessions with the rabid folks and, when asked about impeachment, say they signed on to, voted for, spoke in favor of, the bill to sue him. They can deflect the nonsensical calls for impeachment that way.
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lawgator1 said:
I'm not scared, lol. I really don't think that anyone other than the far right is impressed by this. Certainly no independents think much of it. And even many mainstream Republicans are rolling their eyes at the futility of it.

The more I look at this, the more it seems to me that there is a high likelihood that this is Boehner's way of saying no to the impeachment call. Its a way to attack the President, that everyone knows is going to go nowhere, but it allows all the regular thinking people to go home to the Q & A sessions with the rabid folks and, when asked about impeachment, say they signed on to, voted for, spoke in favor of, the bill to sue him. They can deflect the nonsensical calls for impeachment that way.
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We realize you secretly want the GOP to win these elections because you've shown so much concern for their strategy.
 
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This "lawsuit" is to keep the POTUS in check as I see it. Obama is now trying to be doing Congress's job in the way he's going about governing the country. He says to come on & let's all work together & get things done....but Harry Reid is the one holding up all the Bills that need votes on. Besides, Obama only wants the Bills to pass that he wants & Congress is there to stop that BS process of an idiot narcissistic president.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If the goal were to restrain executive power, why would the GOP pick an executive action which it literally supported just a month or two before?

Because it is the best chance for a victory and as a side benefit if it wins then it will damage ACA.

You accuse me of being over-simplistic, but all I am doing is pointing out the obvious contradiction between saying "X will wreck the economy and we think it should be delayed," followed by suing because X is being delayed, as you asked.

They sought the original delay for ALL mandates to try to defeat ACA as a whole; not just the employer mandate.

Saying it is out of principle about the relationship between the POTUS and the Congress is too easy. Because, if the goal were to prevent bad policy, then you would support the delay.

You keep conflating the chosen item (employer mandate) with the intent of the suit (check executive power). It is simply that this particular issue has the highest likelihood of being heard and the suit being successful.

Now, if the goal is to embarrass the president, or to demonstrate some sort of disdain for him to the GOP base -- and I think we all suspect that is really what this is about -- then I would personally have preferred they just keep voting some more to repeal it. It would be cheaper.
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I certainly think there are multiple motives including embarrassing him and ginning up the base.

Everyone would prefer Congress fix the law to maximize the benefit but neither side wants to do that so this is where we are. It is a crap law that never should have passed in the first place and was rammed and bribed through. It has been completely mismanaged and dismantled by the POTUS himself.

If you are so bent on hypocrisy why not jump all over the POTUS for refusing to allow a delay then delaying it via executive action? It goes both ways. Clearly the law wasn't ready for implementation but he refused any effort to work with Congress for a delay then cherry picked the delays that he felt would be most politically advantageous. If you are bothered by politics at least call it out on both sides.
 
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Sandvol said:
I talked to and vacationed with two people who work for NHS. So, if the NHS website says that then yes they (website) are lying.
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Sandvol, you're an absolute idiot. I've actually experienced the FREE emergency medical services of the NHS first hand. There was absolutely no insurance card asked for in order to get medical service. The only that was asked for was an ID, in this case a passport was used, for their records of who was being treated. No one asked for any insurance info or any form of payment.

Don't you think if the NHS website was promising free medical services but weren't rendering those services someone would be making a stink about it?

I call BS again on your whole story.
 
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Danl said:
Sandvol, you're an absolute idiot. I've actually experienced the FREE emergency medical services of the NHS first hand. There was absolutely no insurance card asked for in order to get medical service. The only that was asked for was an ID, in this case a passport was used, for their records of who was being treated. No one asked for any insurance info or any form of payment.

Don't you think if the NHS website was promising free medical services but weren't rendering those services someone would be making a stink about it?

I call BS again on your whole story.
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And you're a libtard liar.
 
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volinbham said:
I certainly think there are multiple motives including embarrassing him and ginning up the base.

Everyone would prefer Congress fix the law to maximize the benefit but neither side wants to do that so this is where we are. It is a crap law that never should have passed in the first place and was rammed and bribed through. It has been completely mismanaged and dismantled by the POTUS himself.

If you are so bent on hypocrisy why not jump all over the POTUS for refusing to allow a delay then delaying it via executive action? It goes both ways. Clearly the law wasn't ready for implementation but he refused any effort to work with Congress for a delay then cherry picked the delays that he felt would be most politically advantageous. If you are bothered by politics at least call it out on both sides.
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:good!: Bravo...very well said.
 
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volinbham said:
I certainly think there are multiple motives including embarrassing him and ginning up the base.

Everyone would prefer Congress fix the law to maximize the benefit but neither side wants to do that so this is where we are. It is a crap law that never should have passed in the first place and was rammed and bribed through. It has been completely mismanaged and dismantled by the POTUS himself.

If you are so bent on hypocrisy why not jump all over the POTUS for refusing to allow a delay then delaying it via executive action? It goes both ways. Clearly the law wasn't ready for implementation but he refused any effort to work with Congress for a delay then cherry picked the delays that he felt would be most politically advantageous. If you are bothered by politics at least call it out on both sides.
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Excellent point.
 
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I also asked them how often someone shows up at the emergency room without an insurance card and dies because of it. They said it happened all the time.
 
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Sandvol said:
I also asked them how often someone shows up at the emergency room without an insurance card and dies because of it. They said it happened all the time.
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Wow sounds like a fun holiday they had! BSing you about the NHS all day. If these people actually existed, they were lying to you, plain and simple because everything you have said on the NHS is FALSE and can not be backed up with any evidence.

If by some miracle these two NHS workers from Cardiff are real, they are Welsh so I'm not surprised they had you on. They probably laughed about it on the flight home.
 
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We were fine the first 125 years or so. Then we got income tax, the Federal Reserve, and the Senate election amendment change and its been s**t ever since. Statism was on its way. Now another 100 years later we're heading toward Somalia.
 
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alexmanu said:
Wow sounds like a fun holiday they had! BSing you about the NHS all day. If these people actually existed, they were lying to you, plain and simple because everything you have said on the NHS is FALSE and can not be backed up with any evidence.

If by some miracle these two NHS workers from Cardiff are real, they are Welsh so I'm not surprised they had you on. They probably laughed about it on the flight home.
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They were the evidence in person genius.
 
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They were two very nice people. They were big supporters of the NHS of UK because they both worked for it. They had a very nice 9 year old daughter who played with my son. But, they were dead serious about visiting the UK and making sure my health insurance was taken care of.
 
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