Good/great QB’s or CJH’s system

Is it the QB talent or system?

  • QB talent

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#1fulmerite

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We sure seem to have been lucky at the QB position since CJH arrived. With Nico falling flat on another teams roster and, two other QB’s that couldn’t make it where they were but were sent to the league from here, is it the QB talent or the system?

Several media pundits state it’s the system. Regardless, I’m glad we’re winning and competing at a high level!
 
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His system finds the mismatches for the qb to be successful. IMO, his system require a qb who can process coverages quicker, including picking up the blitz. You don’t need a qb w/ an elite arm.

I was surprised how Joey “saw the field” and played within the pocket instead of taking a sack or forcing the issue.
 
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#1fulmerite said:
We sure seem to have been lucky at the QB position since CJH arrived. With Nico falling flat on another teams roster and, two other QB’s that couldn’t make it where they were but were sent to the league from here, is it the QB talent or the system?

Several media pundits state it’s the system. Regardless, I’m glad we’re winning and competing at a high level!
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It's a combination of both. Whatever the intangible is that Joey A has, CJH needs to hone in on that with future recruits. In my amateur opinion, I think that it's the ability to read defenses and make quick definitive decisions.
 
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This is a new system, we ran more condensed and traditional formations than wide ones on Saturday. This is more or less a modern pro style offense with some veer and shoot concepts mixed into the up tempo game. My opinion is it’s Heupel’s ability to maximize a QBs strengths and play around their weaknesses. He has to have a QB that understands the game and knows how to play the position and isn’t just a freak athlete though
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
It's a combination of both. Whatever the intangible is that Joey A has, CJH needs to hone in on that with future recruits. In my amateur opinion, I think that it's the ability to read defenses and make quick definitive decisions.
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Absolutely. Decision making to decipher defenses. People used to call that being a “game manager” when that’s literally a QB’s number one job, manage the game so you give your team the best chance to win.

Joey is a really good processor and the 🏈 goes where it’s supposed to. I really like our offense. Sure we had a lull in that 2nd/3rd quarter but the operation has been really good and we’ve gotten the tempo going.
 
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Joey has yet to over throw a deep ball and it had only led to 1 int… I will live with that all day with the amount of tds we have created off the deep ball this year… the system is amazing but it’s funny because it is best for Qbs who are more similar to the way heup played… not the most physically gifted but very smart accurate guys who process quickly… even the backstory of transferring and dealing with adversity he seems to connect on a deeper level with those guys… of the 4 starting Qbs he’s had 2 generationally gifted Qbs who have not played near the level of the other 2 who are talented but do not have the crazy arms of Nico or Joe… I’m curious too see if one of Faizon or George can be the perfect combo of physical amazing arms and equal the smarts… the problem is generationally talented arms often get away with things in there careers that most can’t but lack the consistency to actually beat a defense with their minds… I wouldn’t be opposed to heup finding an older junior or senior Qb with experience and not the most physically gifted every year..
 
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#1fulmerite said:
We sure seem to have been lucky at the QB position since CJH arrived. With Nico falling flat on another teams roster and, two other QB’s that couldn’t make it where they were but were sent to the league from here, is it the QB talent or the system?

Several media pundits state it’s the system. Regardless, I’m glad we’re winning and competing at a high level!
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They have changed the scheme pretty drastically so far this year. I do honestly think some of the issues the last 2 years were DC's had caught on to what Heup wanted to do, Golesh was gone, and then also the QB's failed to hit the deep shots when presented. A combination of all more than likely.

Hard to say without being behind the scenes, but I imagine having Seth Litrell in the mix has been a big value add for Heup this offseason.
 
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MDsweetT said:
Absolutely. Decision making to decipher defenses. People used to call that being a “game manager” when that’s literally a QB’s number one job, manage the game so you give your team the best chance to win.

Joey is a really good processor and the 🏈 goes where it’s supposed to. I really like our offense. Sure we had a lull in that 2nd/3rd quarter but the operation has been really good and we’ve gotten the tempo going.
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Exactly. Even when HH was the QB, the offense seemed to stall more. Joey is playing himself into an NFL tryout at the very least.
 
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You have to play the position of qb well. JA does just that. He generally makes quick, decisive reads and let's it fly. He's escaping pressure and making throws.

The playcalling is different this year because the qb can execute more. JA is quick with his reads and hits the 2nd and 3rd options. He looks off safeties and throws pretty good sideline balls and post routes, even though he has underthrown a couple.

A coach needs a good qb and the players need good coaching. When it comes to our offense, you've got to be capable of making long throws with accuracy. Big time throws. If you can't, then you cant play here. The power run mixed with touchdown passes is one hell of a combination. But it all has to be recruited to. Especially the offensive line. Gotta be pretty elite up front too.
 
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Needs both. Joe Milton and Nico Iamacoachkilla were not good quarterbacks, so the offense didn’t look good with them. Hooker and Aguilar showed some ability to at least be functional before playing for Heupel. Hooker improved greatly with Heupel and led a fantastic offense. Early returns show similar results for Aguilar.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
Poll flawed. It takes the right QB for the system.

We have seen QBs succeed who didn’t succeed other places and we have seen the last two QBs only be able to do so much.
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Yep, with the portal/NIL getting in to full spin I believe Josh will start to narrow down what type of QB he would take culturally and mature wise that had 3 years of playing time at a G5 and wanted to portal. I actually think you should go for this vs a great high 5 star out of HS has just not matured enough a one in a 100 will ball as a freshman but its far from the norm. The 5 star Michigan QB Bryce Underwood who everybody raved about looked lost in their Oklahoma game.
 
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It’s just difficult to believe that it’s much other than the system. CJH has literally taken rejects from other teams and put them in the league. Also, it’s not like he’s taken productive QB’s and plugged them in the way say, Oklahoma and LSU among other schools. One may wonder if it’s not only his system but also his tutaledge? We see how bad Nico is out of the system. How much of that relates to UCLA’s system and/or surrounding talent?
 
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Heupel's QBs have been:
-A benched Virginia tech QB
-A guy who throws the ball 70 yards when you need 10
-An overrated 7 on 7 QB who can't process a second read when he's not wearing pajamas
-An App State QB with a turnover problem who was 3000 miles away during spring practice.

Josh Heupel has coached those guys to a combined:

66% completion rating
97 Touchdowns
19 interceptions
39-16 record while building a team from the ground up and dealing with harsh recruiting restrictions.
Oh and by the way, this is all during the most talented-rich era in the history of the SEC

It's Heupel's system. It's always been Heupel's system but it's also his coaching. He can scheme guys open all day long, but he also knows what it's like to play championship level football at the quarterback position. I can't think of many, if any other coaches who can really say that. He has been exactly where those guys have been and he knows what to say to them when they have questions. He's a true QB whisperer and people are finally starting to take notice again.

To say that Heupel has "gotten lucky" with his quarterback talent and play on the field is honestly an insult to the dedication that man has put into this job. Keep questioning him. People questioned his OL and WR this offseason. Look at Tennessee now.
 
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