Good article: 10 Questions for 2018: Defensive Line Depth

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http://gamedayonrockytop.com/10-questions-2018-defensive-line-depth/

Link works if you paste it, hyperlink breaks if I embed it for some reason...
 
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Thanks. Lol, good point...
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Quite welcome.

I guess the writer, Will Shelton, intends this to be the start of a series of articles...because it ends abruptly after discussing point #10, without covering #9 through #1. Makes the title kind of misleading, for now at least.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Quite welcome.

I guess the writer, Will Shelton, intends this to be the start of a series of articles...because it ends abruptly after discussing point #10, without covering #9 through #1. Makes the title kind of misleading, for now at least.
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True, I bet he does a new one each week until the season starts - we are now 9 weeks out i believe, so I bet he does another on Monday
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Here's a link that works:

10 Questions for 2018: Defensive Line Depth | Gameday on Rocky Top

Heh, article starts off with the fictional "all great coaches win big in year 2" stance. Making me wonder if the article was written by a VN.com regular.... :)
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The exact words were true “The coaches who hit it big at Tennessee’s rival institutions – Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Kirby Smart – all validated themselves in year two. It’s a well-documented leap, one great coaches tend to make.“
 
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Jack Burton said:
The exact words were true “The coaches who hit it big at Tennessee’s rival institutions – Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Kirby Smart – all validated themselves in year two. It’s a well-documented leap, one great coaches tend to make.“
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If it doesn't happen in year 2 then you don't have the right coach, unless you are happy with 7-8 win seasons.
 
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You can dress'em up and send'em to a great school, but all they do is think about boinking the teacher.
 
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Jack Burton said:
The exact words were true “The coaches who hit it big at Tennessee’s rival institutions – Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Kirby Smart – all validated themselves in year two. It’s a well-documented leap, one great coaches tend to make.“
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Go check out Nick Saban's 2nd year as a head coach (hint: he was at Michigan State at the time).
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Go check out Nick Saban's 2nd year as a head coach (hint: he was at Michigan State at the time).
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Sure, that supports your hypothesis. You can check his 2nd year at LSU or his 2nd year at Alabama which supports mine. Quite a bit of improvement between years one and two.
 
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To pick up on another of author's premises, super success by the three seniors will NOT leave us clueless about 2019. Those three will be unlikely to take 65-80 snaps each per game. Several others should, hopefully, contribute significant playing time, thus, demonstrating talent and/or potential.
 
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So considering the money involved these coaching staffs pull down partly through ability partly to retain them, if they're not a serious contender for a playoff spot by the end of season 3, the school needs to move on. I agree with this.
 
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Jack Burton said:
Sure, that supports your hypothesis. You can check his 2nd year at LSU or his 2nd year at Alabama which supports mine. Quite a bit of improvement between years one and two.
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A hypothesis is a supposition made at the start of an investigation. It's an educated guess, looking for proof.

Nick Saban's coaching record is not a guess. So I don't have a hypothesis. I have only this: the fact that in Nick Saban's second year as head coach, he won 6 games and lost 5. In his second year as a Power 5 head coach, he won 6 and loss 6.

Either way you want to study it, head coaching in general or Power 5 head coaching in specific, Nick Saban did not begin to show brilliance until his 5th or 6th year, and didn't win a Power 5 conference championship until his 7th or 8th.

That's not hypothesis. It's just fact.


EDIT: Look, you want CJP to start making sparks fly by his second year. I get that. I want the same. And some great coaches, like Urban Meyer and (apparently, though his body of work as a head coach is still far too thin to declare him a hall of famer) Kirby Smart, some do follow that quick-success path.

But others don't. Nick Saban didn't. And he's the most successful coach in the history of the college game.

There's more than one path to greatness. By saying that there's only one ("win by year 2 or else"), you're embracing a falsehood.

Though we agree in hoping that CJP follows that path.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
An hypothesis is a supposition made at the start of an investigation. It's an educated guess, looking for proof.

Nick Saban's coaching record is not a guess. So I don't have a hypothesis. I have only this: the fact that in Nick Saban's second year as head coach, he won 6 games and lost 5. In his second year as a Power 5 head coach, he won 6 and loss 6.

Either way you want to study it, head coaching in general or Power 5 head coaching in specific, Nick Saban did not begin to show brilliance until his 5th or 6th year, and didn't win a Power 5 conference championship until his 7th or 8th.

That's not hypothesis. It's just fact.
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This is the SEC so Pruitt doesn’t have 5 or 6 years. He doesn’t have to show brilliance, but he’ll have to show marked improvement by year 2 to indicate his real trajectory. Just like Saban did at LSU and Alabama. Just like Meyer did at Florida. Just like Richt and Smart did at UGA. These are also just facts.
 
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Jack Burton said:
This is the SEC so Pruitt doesn’t have 5 or 6 years. He doesn’t have to show brilliance, but he’ll have to show marked improvement by year 2 to indicate his real trajectory.
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Or...what?

You want to start another coaching search just 18 months from now, if Pruitt isn't, what, 10-2 in 2019? 9-3? 8-4?

Or, if you're not already planning a contingency coaching search, what? That you'll stop thinking he's our long term solution?

How impactful do you think that will be, you changing your mind about him?

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Here's a thought experiment for you. Let's say you set "9-3 by Year 2 or Bust!" as your definition of "marked improvement." And then let's say he doesn't meet that. So you condemn him in your mind. Right? And then in year 3, he wins the SEC championship. And in year 4, a national title.

How wrong will you have been then?

And how unimportant will your post-year 2 defamation of the man be?

Get it?

There are many paths to greatness. Stop fixating on just one of them.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
A hypothesis is a supposition made at the start of an investigation. It's an educated guess, looking for proof.

Nick Saban's coaching record is not a guess. So I don't have a hypothesis. I have only this: the fact that in Nick Saban's second year as head coach, he won 6 games and lost 5. In his second year as a Power 5 head coach, he won 6 and loss 6.

Either way you want to study it, head coaching in general or Power 5 head coaching in specific, Nick Saban did not begin to show brilliance until his 5th or 6th year, and didn't win a Power 5 conference championship until his 7th or 8th.

That's not hypothesis. It's just fact.


EDIT: Look, you want CJP to start making sparks fly by his second year. I get that. I want the same. And some great coaches, like Urban Meyer and (apparently, though his body of work as a head coach is still far too thin to declare him a hall of famer) Kirby Smart, some do follow that quick-success path.

But others don't. Nick Saban didn't. And he's the most successful coach in the history of the college game.

There's more than one path to greatness. By saying that there's only one ("win by year 2 or else"), you're embracing a falsehood.

Though we agree in hoping that CJP follows that path.
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Dabo.
1st full year/second year 8 regular season wins. "won his division blah blah" he had 8 wins and those that proclaim the division a great accomplishment, would ridicule you for touting an eight win season at UT.

His actual second year of coaching 6-6

I very much prefer the without-a-doubt second-year method and will feel much better if that's how it happens. But it is happened differently on more than one occasion.
 
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Dabo.
1st full year/second year 8 regular season wins. "won his division blah blah" he had 8 wins and those that proclaim the division a great accomplishment, would ridicule you for touting an eight win season at UT.

His actual second year of coaching 6-6

I very much prefer the without-a-doubt second-year method and will feel much better if that's how it happens. But it is happened differently on more than one occasion.
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Right on, brother.

I believe two key things about this whole "how long do we give a coach" question:

(1) Changing coaching staffs is painful; I'm not up for doing it more often than once every four years, barring criminal or unethical behavior, or glaring incompetence (see: Dooley; we were right to cut bait on him after three).

(2) Greatness isn't a formula, it's a surprise borne on mystery. Each path to greatness is unique, and--like Saban who some here would have given up on in year 2...or 3...or 4, bears fruit in its own time. The only question is, are you smart enough--and open-minded enough--and patient enough--to catch glimmers that it might be on the way.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Right on, brother.

I believe two key things about this whole "how long do we give a coach" question:

(1) Changing coaching staffs is painful; I'm not up for doing it more often than once every four years, barring criminal or unethical behavior, or glaring incompetence (see: Dooley; we were right to cut bait on him after three).

(2) Greatness isn't a formula, it's a surprise borne on mystery. Each path to greatness is unique, and--like Saban who some here would have given up on in year 2...or 3...or 4, bears fruit in its own time. The only question is, are you smart enough--and open-minded enough--and patient enough--to catch glimmers that it might be on the way.
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If we change coaches every 2 years (as soon as they don't meet Meyer or Saban at Bama, records), we'll blackball and bankrupt ourselves out of contention.
I have absolutely nothing against any poster deciding for themselves that a coach won't be 'the guy' after 2 seasons but

1. The university isn't going to hire and fire on that schedule.

2. Throwing out Saban and Meyer's names like we can just pick that up at the coach-mart down the road, is a silly discussion.
I really (and I mean really!) want the next Saban or Meyer but they are definitely the rarest of exceptions.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Right on, brother.

I believe two key things about this whole "how long do we give a coach" question:

(1) Changing coaching staffs is painful; I'm not up for doing it more often than once every four years, barring criminal or unethical behavior, or glaring incompetence (see: Dooley; we were right to cut bait on him after three).

(2) Greatness isn't a formula, it's a surprise borne on mystery. Each path to greatness is unique, and--like Saban who some here would have given up on in year 2...or 3...or 4, bears fruit in its own time. The only question is, are you smart enough--and open-minded enough--and patient enough--to catch glimmers that it might be on the way.
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Volnation should have a character limit for you. It seems that every post you make is a short essay.
 
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