Going for two

#26
#26
Neyland123 said:
I would have gone for two when we tied it at 28-28. I just didn't have faith in our defense to stop them at all. Good win so it all worked out for the VOLS.
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Thought this too, but I knew it wouldn't happen - very similar at A&M game last year and he didn't go for it then. This is just Butch's style and it's frustrating at times.
 
#27
#27
I wanted us to go for 2 in the first overtime, because I thought there was no way our defense could stop them. That assessment was correct. I also thought it was a poor decision for Tech to go for 2 in the 2nd overtime. Don't put the game all on one play when your offense has its way with our defense. On one play, anything can happen. Trends don't matter on one play, and the results proved that.
 
#28
#28
Still don't think it was a good idea to go for two for us or them. I understand the reasoning and I think GT had even less of a reason to do it than we did. Take the (almost) sure point and then put your defense back on the field.

Give them the chance to force a turnover or force the offense into a long yard situation. It would only take one blown play for an offense to get into a dire situation during the OT format, so why not get them on the field and see what they can do. Worst case, the offense scores and you're at it again.
 
#30
#30
No matter what your opinion is, this conversation is a ton easier to have from the winning side.

Have we seriously had this many insane, coming back win/almost win (A&M) games these last two years. Unreal.
 
#31
#31
I still have no idea how we won. We gave up 540 yards rushing, 40 mins of possession...the fumbles could not have been more fortunate. They were getting 6 yards per rush, why wouldnt they go for it? Poor GTech - they have a solid offense and an abysmal kicking game. If their defense improves they could be a contender in the ACC.
 
#32
#32
good idea or not....we should have gone for 2 when we scored before OT. But there is no scenario or situation where Butch will ever go for 2. I learned that last year and the rest is just confirmation.
 
#33
#33
44DivePlay said:
No matter what your opinion is, this conversation is a ton easier to have from the winning side.

Have we seriously had this many insane, coming back win/almost win (A&M) games these last two years. Unreal.
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2015: Oklahoma, Florida, Bama
2016: Appy St., Georgia, A&M, South Carolina
2017: Ga Tech...?
 
#34
#34
orangefreak21 said:
Don't chase points when we were the better team man for man.

Good God im happy to have this game behind us.
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For what it's worth, Booger & McElroy agree with you. Said we'd gotten to the point where GTech couldn't stop us, and they'd take our athletes over GTech's athletes.

Also said that Paul Johnson probably also realized this, and that's why HE went for two.
 
#35
#35
I dont have thread starting privileges due to my lack of posts so.....

I just want to ask... WTF is wrong with our defense mainly the front 4??

p.s. sorry Freak for the hijack and i didnt read much more than thread titles tonight.
 
#36
#36
wouldbenicetowin said:
good idea or not....we should have gone for 2 when we scored before OT. But there is no scenario or situation where Butch will ever go for 2. I learned that last year and the rest is just confirmation.
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Because he is a smart coach. He won. 2/3rds of the time when you go for two before you have to go for two, you lose.
 
#37
#37
Volunteer_Kirby said:
I still have no idea how we won. We gave up 540 yards rushing, 40 mins of possession...the fumbles could not have been more fortunate. They were getting 6 yards per rush, why wouldnt they go for it? Poor GTech - they have a solid offense and an abysmal kicking game. If their defense improves they could be a contender in the ACC.
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Because statistics give you a better chance to win if you don't go for it. If you are averaging over 6 ypc, don't put the whole game on one play. Allow your offense multiple plays and you'll be successful. Anything can happen on a single play, though. If you gain nothing on 1st down, it's not a big deal, because you have 2-3 more chances, and since you're averaging such good yardage, you're going to get into the end zone if you are given 2-3 more chances. However, if you only have 1 chance, and you mess up, it's game over.
 
#38
#38
ultimateUT said:
I dont have thread starting privileges due to my lack of posts so.....

I just want to ask... WTF is wrong with our defense mainly the front 4??

p.s. sorry Freak for the hijack and i didnt read much more than thread titles tonight.
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I'm hoping that they were just playing scared against the cut-blocking scheme.
 
#39
#39
KoachKrab127 said:
Because statistics give you a better chance to win if you don't go for it. If you are averaging over 6 ypc, don't put the whole game on one play. Allow your offense multiple plays and you'll be successful. Anything can happen on a single play, though. If you gain nothing on 1st down, it's not a big deal, because you have 2-3 more chances, and since you're averaging such good yardage, you're going to get into the end zone if you are given 2-3 more chances. However, if you only have 1 chance, and you mess up, it's game over.
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Maybe in the aggregate but the ground game conditions strongly suggest otherwise.
 
#42
#42
Freak said:
Those who were bashing Butch for not going for two, and praising Johnson for it -- and those who planned to bash Butch had we lost -- it's not always the answer.

ps. I secretly wanted us to go for two. lol
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Me, in the first overtime, to friends: "We should go for two. Let's end it with our offense, we get the ball, let's go take the win and go home."

Me, after the second overtime, to friends: "Man, going for two is stupid. Who would ever go for two in that situation?"

P.S. - The latter sentence was extremely tongue-in-cheek.

Could have easily gone either way but the D put them down for us. Hope that's a bump for them psychologically, they were beat up all game.
 
#43
#43
wouldbenicetowin said:
Maybe in the aggregate but the ground game conditions strongly suggest otherwise.
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Ga Tech was almost guaranteed a TD against our defense in overtime.

Converting a 2 point conversion was (just a guess) probably around 50%. Not sure on that, but it was definitely less than getting a TD against our defense starting on the UT 25, with full sets of downs.
 
#44
#44
Voltopia said:
Me, in the first overtime, to friends: "We should go for two. Let's end it with our offense, we get the ball, let's go take the win and go home."

Me, after the second overtime, to friends: "Man, going for two is stupid. Who would ever go for two in that situation?"

P.S. - The latter sentence was extremely tongue-in-cheek.

Could have easily gone either way but the D put them down for us. Hope that's a bump for them psychologically, they were beat up all game.
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:lol: I like it
 
#46
#46
KoachKrab127 said:
2015: Oklahoma, Florida, Bama
2016: Appy St., Georgia, A&M, South Carolina
2017: Ga Tech...?
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Wasn't that South Carolina game you'd be thinking about be in 2015, not 2016?

Or it not, wouldn't it (and the 2014 OT game) be in there too?
 
#47
#47
TrueOrange said:
Personally, I think you save it until you have to do it...even in OT.
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I hear you but it doesn't matter. I have witnessed every scenario and I have never seen Butch do it. Does anyone have a reliable stat as I don't believe he has ever grabbed the satchel to do it.
 
#48
#48
Neyland123 said:
I would have gone for two when we tied it at 28-28. I just didn't have faith in our defense to stop them at all. Good win so it all worked out for the VOLS.
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Not really the best time to take that risk either though. If UT missed it there, then GT was honestly just another rushing first down away from being able to kneel out the clock with a 1-pt lead.
 
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