Go on the record about CJP

Do you think CJP is going to succeed or fail?

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#26
#26
I know we are all frustrated, Battered Vols, but we have to give him more than four games before we throw him under the bus. At this point I just want to see our players look like they actually give a damn. That is the most glaring, troublesome problem, and the hardest to fix imo.
 
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#27
#27
So most of you really want to take the wait and see approach with a coach who might need three years to maybe beat Vanderbilt and Mizzou? He is already proving himself to be a coach who can't t do more with less. He fail to snag any all stars during the last signing day. If I was a gambler, I would bet he will again fail to make an impression during the next signing period.

Do you really want to give this guy three or even another season to prove he doesn't have what it takes to succeed?
 
#28
#28
Last night was horrid and there is blame on the coaches and the players. I’m not ready to throw in the towel on Pruitt just yet.

Unfortunately I don’t think the next few weeks are going to tell us too much more.
 
#29
#29
How does 40% chance Pruitt succeeded
60% Pruitt fails sound?

Or 60% he succeeded and 40% chance he fails

Or 50% success. 50% chance he fails?

I have no idea at this point, but I'd say the the odds are certainly against him
 
#31
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LosingFaithVol said:
So most of you really want to take the wait and see approach with a coach who might need three years to maybe beat Vanderbilt and Mizzou? He is already proving himself to be a coach who can't t do more with less. He fail to snag any all stars during the last signing day. If I was a gambler, I would bet he will again fail to make an impression during the next signing period.

Do you really want to give this guy three or even another season to prove he doesn't have what it takes to succeed?
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What's the alternative? You think the last coaching search was bad? Fire a coach after one year and see what happens. No coach will come here with those kind of expectations. If Pruitt isn't the guy we're still stuck with him for 3 years minimum. I'd rather see a proven coach too. But firing Pruitt now will only hurt the chances of that happening. It is possible Butch's players are just that bad and it will get better. I'm sceptical, but we don't have a choice but to let it play out for now.
 
#32
#32
JCHateSteve said:
What's the alternative? You think the last coaching search was bad? Fire a coach after one year and see what happens. No coach will come here with those kind of expectations. If Pruitt isn't the guy we're still stuck with him for 3 years minimum. I'd rather see a proven coach too. But firing Pruitt now will only hurt the chances of that happening. It is possible Butch's players are just that bad and it will get better. I'm sceptical, but we don't have a choice but to let it play out for now.
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It is really unfair to ask and demand that the fan base give this yahoo two or three more years of their lives to prove he will never get it. The Vols are now at the point where you can trash a head coach after one bad season and it won't make much of a dent on the win or lose record.

There is good coaches out there with spots on their record (Freeze, Briles, soon maybe Urban) that will jump at the job to get back into coaching.
 
#33
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LosingFaithVol said:
It is really unfair to ask and demand that the fan base give this yahoo two or three more years of their lives to prove he will never get it. The Vols are now at the point where you can trash a head coach after one bad season and it won't make much of a dent on the win or lose record.

There is good coaches out there with spots on their record (Freeze, Briles, soon maybe Urban) that will jump at the job to get back into coaching.
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You're dreaming on Meyer. Briles and Freeze have some serious baggage. Schiano would be a less controversial hire even now. Hiring Meyer after the Schiano uprising would be pretty hypocritical, even if it were realistic. Do you want another title 9 suit? Because that's how you get another title 9 suit.
 
#34
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JCHateSteve said:
You're dreaming on Meyer. Briles and Freeze have some serious baggage. Schiano would be a less controversial hire even now. Hiring Meyer after the Schiano uprising would be pretty hypocritical, even if it were realistic. Do you want another title 9 suit? Because that's how you get another title 9 suit.
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I was raised a Christian, from experience over the years, I have had to learn to forgive many for trespasses worst then what these guys were accused of committing. They are legit coaches and they deserve another chance to practice their trade. Eventually, another school will hire them and we will be stuck with another goober choir boy that can't get the job done.
 
#35
#35
Too early to tell either way. Needs time to bring in his own talent and develop that talent. We’ve seen what he can do with good players.

It’s OK to question things like playcalling and sideline antics. Let’s hope he cleans it up.
 
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#36
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GreyWolf1129 said:
He's trying to build on the "Bama Model". Big, physical line play; big, fast, physical RB's, WR's, LB's, and DB's. Line up and wear 'em down. 3-4, I-formation, play-action. Blitz, and bomb away.

Problem is, we ain't got much in the way of big, fast, and physical. On top of that, there's a percentage of this roster that, Rivals rating and physical attributes aside, are just plain soft, or spoiled, or both. We saw that last year, and we saw it again yesterday.

So I am now of the opinion that it will take roster turnover, where roughly 75% of our roster is Pruitt-style recruits, before we will see meaningful gains in the football fortunes of UT. We might see a couple of changes on the staff, or at least in the way they teach, scheme, and coach, but I am convinced that it is absolutely going to take roster turnover to produce the wins at a level that will see us back on top in the SEC...East.

Sometimes, you just gotta burn it down and start over. After these next four games, we'll know how bad it is, or ain't. In all likelihood, the full meltdown isn't over yet. Weeding out the weak on a team as weak as this one will take time.

Meanwhile...time to melt a few snowflakes and find out who the football players are.

Go Vols.
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Criminally underrated post but I guess that shows how backward and retarded the volnation population really is
 
#37
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LosingFaithVol said:
I was raised a Christian, from experience over the years, I have had to learn to forgive many for trespasses worst then what these guys were accused of committing. They are legit coaches and they deserve another chance to practice their trade. Eventually, another school will hire them and we will be stuck with another goober choir boy that can't get the job done.
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What Briles had going on is an entirely different level of forgiveness that doesn’t include handing him multimillion dollar contracts. Perception is reality and not everyone forgives just because they had good win loss records.
 
#38
#38
LosingFaithVol said:
I was raised a Christian, from experience over the years, I have had to learn to forgive many for trespasses worst then what these guys were accused of committing. They are legit coaches and they deserve another chance to practice their trade. Eventually, another school will hire them and we will be stuck with another goober choir boy that can't get the job done.
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So we should forgive them based on Christian values, because you're sick of choir boys? There's a Catholic joke in there somewhere.

Seriously though, realistically none of those coaches are going to get hired. The potential backlash is to great, regardless of how you personally feel. The admin and a large portion of the fanbase would never accept it.
 
#39
#39
JCHateSteve said:
So we should forgive them based on Christian values, because you're sick of choir boys? There's a Catholic joke in there somewhere.

Seriously though, realistically none of those coaches are going to get hired. The potential backlash is to great, regardless of how you personally feel. The admin and a large portion of the fanbase would never accept it.
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A couple of more beat downs like last night, and I think you’d be surprised at what the fans will accept.
 
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#42
#42
To pull off what it appears he's trying to adjust in the program it will take several years. The coaching staff is having to make do with players (aside from a handful of exceptions) who are either a) talented but not great fits for his system or b) can't handle (on a physical and/or mental level) the adjustments in the game plan from last year to this year. It's going to take time. This season is a dumpster fire, but that's not to say it isn't an opportunity for some leaders to emerge moving forward.
 
#45
#45
I just don't know what is expected 4 games in? Last season was horrible, then the kids went through a coaching change, a scheme change and I am sure a discipline and expectation change. It is absolutely on the coach to have the kids ready to play, but players have to execute. In my opinion, I feel like he will do much better given some time, but none of the comments at this point are more than opinion and conjecture. I don't remember many times Butch ever had the guts to do an onside kick in Q2 to try and shift momentum, or dialed up a wheel route on 4th down that totally caught the defense off guard. Butch punting on 4th and 1 on the 39 yard line always killed me. At least Pruitt is showing that he trusts and expects the players to perform in that regard. It is up to them to execute what they have been taught. Yes, they did play horrible, but no way to answer this question right now.
 
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#46
#46
Can Pruitt succeed here? I become a little more pessimistic with each game. It doesn't matter how bad your football team is, or how badly the players fit your scheme, if you and your staff can coach, you expect to see some improvements as the season progresses. As a team, this group almost seems to be regressing instead of progressing. There are some improvements in some areas, but overall there just isn't much.

With that said, it's impossible to judge Pruitt as a coach right now, and some of the threads and comments I see here on VN are just ridiculous. People honestly care that he kicked the white board? Then I remind myself that people are also upset that JG isn't being benched for Chryst, and that reminds me that fans will be fans.

Look, if 4 games have taught us anything, it's that this entire roster needs to be fumigated. Was this team better under Butch than it is under Pruitt? Yes. Quite a bit better. But there's a reason for that. These players were recruited for Butch's system and Pruitt is trying to run a completely different system on both sides of the ball. These players just don't fit that system. The OL is a perfect example. Pruitt and Helton are trying to implement a pro-style, power scheme. These are NOT power linemen. These are smaller, quicker linemen that were supposedly going to help Butch's infallible offense succeed at UT. As Butch found out, they just don't cut it against SEC defenses.

We're also finding out just how toxic the culture was under Butch. Those No Sweat Thursdays or whatever in the blue blazes he called them was just one red flag out of many that we all should've noticed. This team is as soft as apple butter. It's why there's no meanness on defense...why every time we tackle a running back he falls forward instead of backward...why we have a well placed onside kick with 4 guys surrounding it and just 1 guy for Florida and they allow him to go up and snag it without even putting a lick on him...why players insist on not going into the game because they're hurting a little bit...why they lay down and quit when a couple of things go wrong.

So in addition to not fitting his system, these players are soft and weak. I was hopeful we'd see a turnaround this year but clearly we aren't going to. The only thing that is going to fix this is recruiting. And that's gonna take time. If JP is going to succeed, he has to hold this recruiting class together. Some of these guys can help immediately, next year. But it's going to be a long and rough season in the meantime. If everyone is already complaining, imagine the level of noise in the system when we get beat along the lines of 56-10 against UGA and 49-14 against Auburn and 63-3 against Alabama. Because that's what's coming. Then we'll probably lose our next 4 SEC games as well and beat Charlotte by a touchdown or two to finish 3-9. It's going to be the ugliest season in UT history. If the wailing and moaning and gnashing of teeth causes this recruiting class to fall apart, then JP is as good as finished.

But let's give him a couple of years and see what happens. It's really our only option.
 
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#47
#47
Berry4Heisman14 said:
It’s too early to judge him. However I’m already done with Helton his playcalling Is absolutely awful
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Here's the thing about the play calling though...if Helton we're calling those same plays with Bama or Georgia we beat Florida or anybody else we line up against. Sometimes it's about the Jimmy's and Joe's instead of the X's and O's. It doesn't matter who is calling the plays right now, this roster was put together by a high school trumpet player who somehow passed himself off as a coach.
 
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#48
#48
I’ll say he is the right guy when we win a game we are not supposed to win. That will be coaching.
 
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