GM slashing 15% of N. American salaried workers, discontinuing several vehicle models

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Septic said:
Trumps buddies in the steel business damn sure support it.

Protectionism = crony capatalisim
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Just like Obama’s buddies in the insurance business? Or the Dems buddies in the “climate change” field? Or literally anything the government has it’s hands in?
 
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golfballs said:
Just like Obama’s buddies in the insurance business? Or the Dems buddies in the “climate change” field? Or literally anything the government has it’s hands in?
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bbbuuutttt obama?

Do you realize that you're defeating your own argument by comparing Trumps tomfuqery to Obama?

Great equivocation, Trump is just like Obama. When are you guys going to learn?
 
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Septic said:
bbbuuutttt obama?

Do you realize that you're defeating your own argument by comparing Trumps tomfuqery to Obama?

Great equivocation, Trump is just like Obama. When are you guys going to learn?
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No, I’m highlighting your selective outrage. Trump has been an open proponent of positions that have long been typical of Democrats. Despite that many Republicans support him and he garnered a ton of support from former Obama voters and won him the presidency. What that says is that Trump is more moderate that you and the Trump deranged on the left like to admit.
 
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golfballs said:
No, I’m highlighting your selective outrage. Trump has been an open proponent of positions that have long been typical of Democrats. Despite that many Republicans support him and he garnered a ton of support from former Obama voters and won him the presidency. What that says is that Trump is more moderate that you and the Trump deranged on the left like to admit.
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His SCOTUS picks seem to suggest otherwise.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
His SCOTUS picks seem to suggest otherwise.
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Ah yes, the extremists he’s put on SCOTUS who interpret the constitution and interpret laws as they are written. Very extreme. Regardless just because he’s been conservative in some aspects does not mean he cannot be moderate if not liberal in others. That’s a difficult concept for some since Trump is literally Hitler.
 
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golfballs said:
That was a question, not a statement of fact used to make a point about selective outrage. Has nothing to do with the swamp.
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LOL. It has everything do do with the swamp and YOU drew the equivocating line between Obama and Trump.

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Septic said:
LOL. It has everything do do with the swamp and YOU drew the equivocating line between Obama and Trump.

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So be my guest and denounce all government involvement with anything that could otherwise be handled by the free market. Let your trump hate turn you into an anarcho-capitalist. And then go pull the lever for Bernie again. Talk about playing yourself
 
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golfballs said:
No, I’m highlighting your selective outrage. Trump has been an open proponent of positions that have long been typical of Democrats. Despite that many Republicans support him and he garnered a ton of support from former Obama voters and won him the presidency. What that says is that Trump is more moderate that you and the Trump deranged on the left like to admit.
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"Selective" would indicate that I don't find outrage in Obama's crony capitalism. You are making an ill-advised assumption because the hamster in your skull only sees black and white.

You, on the other hand, appear to be defending Trumps BS protectionist tariffs and trying to frame it as "the same" in an effort to shore up why it's OK now argument. That's dumb, you and everyone else that tries to excuse trumps actions because Obama are failing to understand why you're undermining yourself.

Pointing out selective outrage is a hollow rationale when you are guilty of the same. It's like really wanting to have a retort but knowing you have nothing of substance to say.
 
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golfballs said:
So be my guest and denounce all government involvement with anything that could otherwise be handled by the free market. Let your trump hate turn you into an anarcho-capitalist. And then go pull the lever for Bernie again. Talk about playing yourself
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So you're now calling for more government regulation in the market? Equivocating a free market with anarchy?

You're drunk gb, go home.
 
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Septic said:
"Selective" would indicate that I don't find outrage in Obama's crony capitalism. You are making an ill-advised assumption because the hamster in your skull only sees black and white.

You, on the other hand, appear to be defending Trumps BS protectionist tariffs and trying to frame it as "the same" in an effort to shore up why it's OK now argument. That's dumb, you and everyone else that tries to excuse trumps actions because Obama are failing to understand why you're undermining yourself.

Pointing out selective outrage is a hollow rationale when you are guilty of the same. It's like really wanting to have a retort but knowing you have nothing of substance to say.
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I’m saying that a drawback to any government involvement is the fact it’s picking winners and losers. You clearly don’t get it because if that outrages you like you’re pretending, the. you’d be just like Huff and not a Bernie bro
 
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golfballs said:
I’m saying that a drawback to any government involvement is the fact it’s picking winners and losers. You clearly don’t get it because if that outrages you like you’re pretending, the. you’d be just like Huff and not a Bernie bro
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Do yourself a favor and abandon this argument.
 
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Septic said:
Do yourself a favor and abandon this argument.
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Because it’s highligting what a hypocrite you are. That is unless you want to go ahead and denounce all government intervention in the market. Huff will gladly have you on his team
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
All large companies are doing this. The boomers are hanging on too long and accumulating some serious liabilities. A decent amount of these jobs will probably be replaced by younger staff that don’t have the pension and retiree benefits the older workers do.
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Yeah we’re pretty top heavy in the tech fields in my company. And we’ve all got pensions. All of the new kids are straight 401k. Our company is really kinda screwed right now. We can’t hire enough skilled experienced and competent engineers but they really want us older people off the books. Our plan has a lump sum distribution which with current rates is very attractive to the higher paid employees. Thus when we retire and take the lump sum we’re completely off the books for good. Many come back as contractors after a year but that is zero sum labor on a paycheck to paycheck basis.

I’ve told my boss multiple times I’d rather have no help than bad help and I want input on whatever help I get.
 
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golfballs said:
Because it’s highligting what a hypocrite you are. That is unless you want to go ahead and denounce all government intervention in the market. Huff will gladly have you on his team
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I generally believe that the government should stay out of the business of picking sides. It's fascinating to watch you and your ilk bend over for trump when he's using his EO pen to regulate the winners and losers and kiss his ass when he's not.

Again, had I supported Obama's crony capitalism, you may have had an argument that I was being a hypocrite. Except I didn't. You're conflating my dislike for trump with liking obama, stop it, you're embarrassing yourself.
 
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Septic said:
I generally believe that the government should stay out of the business of picking sides. It's fascinating to watch you and your ilk bend over for trump when he's using his EO pen to regulate the winners and losers and kiss his ass when he's not.

Again, had I supported Obama's crony capitalism, you may have had an argument that I was being a hypocrite. Except I didn't. You're conflating my dislike for trump with liking obama, stop it, you're embarrassing yourself.
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Seems convenient and counter to the core of the Democrat party, but whatever. Let my criticism apply to all the Dems who are handwringing over this - Septic excluded.
 
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Septic said:
Not on the company side, I'm on the retail side - I don't have anything to do with actuaries.
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Ah ok. I’ve found that field interesting from afar. The probability coursework I had made me want to stay the hell away from it in a practice standpoint but it’s always fascinated me to see the practical applications.
 
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