GM slashing 15% of N. American salaried workers, discontinuing several vehicle models

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C-south said:
Even if tariffs were part of the issue the supplier would take as big of a hit as the customer. They can’t just afford to stop making their product.
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It's not "as big". It's bigger or smaller, depending on the price elasticity of demand. They do both take hits, tho.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Lol! Yeah 6100 blue collar and 8000 white collar. Ratio seems legit. Totally just production related. 🙄

They’re cleaning up their balance sheet and getting rid of pension commitments.
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Nobody is saying it's "just production related" you clown.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
So in those 5 times, you learned nothing...

All the jobs are tied together, irregardless of what hogwash you are trying to feed others. I've been through 2 workforce reductions myself. Buyouts are always offered to senior employees to cut down on the number of workers that the company needs to layoff. In a production environment, less blue collar workers mean less white collar workers. You show me one factory that has laid off blue collar workers and kept white collar workers.
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NorthDallas40 said:
Lol! Yeah 6100 blue collar and 8000 white collar. Ratio seems legit. Totally just production related. 🙄

They’re cleaning up their balance sheet and getting rid of pension commitments.
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n_huffhines said:
Nobody is saying it's "just production related" you clown.
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Hmmmmm
 
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n_huffhines said:
^Clown status confirmed. He didn't say it's only production related.
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Trying too hard. Yeah he’s definitely trying to back into that stance. Stop being so easily triggered when we attack your “orange man tariffs bad” logic and grab a snickers and try to have a better day.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Trying too hard. Yeah he’s definitely trying to back into that stance. Stop being so easily triggered when we attack your “orange man tariffs bad” logic and grab a snickers and try to have a better day.
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I give credit to Trump when it's due. I also have logical and well-supported reasons for opposing tariffs (are you finding NPC's parroting lines about price elasticity of demand?). Summing my position up as "orange man bad" is completely disingenuous and you are quickly solidifying yourself as one of the biggest jokes on this message board. I got nothing else to say to you.
 
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Here is me opposing tariffs in 2010

n_huffhines said:
To artificially increase the wealth of some at the expense of others in a zero-sum game is wrong. Yes I believe that. Labor unions are cartels and they collude to set prices above natural levels. Sure the steel-workers are happy when their un-skilled labor is paid $30/hr. Who pays for it? Everybody who buys steel products. In other words, every American. The price of American steel and steel products goes up. Then we can't compete in the world market. So then the steel industry lobbies for trade protection. Then China who was shipping steel to us imposes tariffs on our products in retaliation. So then American producers can't sell (as much or any) to China. All those people whose jobs depended on that market are now in jeopardy. But hey, the steel-workers are happy.

To illustrate this example in the most simple terms...if artificial wage increases are good, how come we don't make minimum wage = $100/hr?

This is completely disregarding the fact that labor unions were founded to protect white American jobs against competition from cheaper labor from minorities and immigrants. It works like this. They work for $2/hr, whites work for $4/hr because they are slightly more skilled (may be untrue, but was perception). If a union can negotiate a minimum wage at $4/hr, then nobody will hire the minorities and immigrants. There is historical correlation between minimum wage increases and unemployment among black males.
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NorthDallas40 said:
Lol. Current count is +2 SCOTUS and a plethora of federal judge appointments to go.

You’re absolutely right. It’s perfectly fine. 🤣😈
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Somebody flag this post when the trumpers cry about the "activist" judges on the ninth circuit.
 
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golfballs said:
It has its merits, hence a lot of people support it. This very issue is one of the reasons Trump got elected.
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Trumps buddies in the steel business damn sure support it.

Protectionism = crony capatalisim
 
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2013...my tune hasn't changed at all. That must be weird to you people who change your mind every 4-8 years.

n_huffhines said:
We don't care if they initiate free trade on their end. If they want to place tariffs on our goods or even ban certain goods, they are welcome to. We're still better off freely trading with them, even if they "protect" on their end
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n_huffhines said:
I give credit to Trump when it's due. I also have logical and well-supported reasons for opposing tariffs (are you finding NPC's parroting lines about price elasticity of demand?). Summing my position up as "orange man bad" is completely disingenuous and you are quickly solidifying yourself as one of the biggest jokes on this message board. I got nothing else to say to you.
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No you apply the tariff argument everywhere huff. Even in the place of bad management or execution. And orange man bad is just one of the current running lines we’re using. I summed your particular argument up in sentence one. One of them anyway, open borders is the other one.

The big three dropped a BUNCH of non competitive models. They’ve lost the mid size sedan war. How many Optimas Sonatas Camrys and Accords do you see running around? And I know at least the Optima is made in the US.

So tariffs make cars that people don’t want to buy already even more unattractive?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
No you apply the tariff argument everywhere huff. Even in the place of bad management or execution. And orange man bad is just one of the current running lines we’re using. I summed your particular argument up in sentence one. One of them anyway, open borders is the other one.

The big three dropped a BUNCH of non competitive models. They’ve lost the mid size sedan war. How many Optimas Camrys and Accords do you see running around? And I know at least the Optima is made in the US.

So tariffs make cars that people don’t want to buy already even more unattractive?
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Orange man not bad, orange man horrible.
 
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