Glad It's Over

#76
#76
Volmac2022 said:
Doubtful I think we won't get punishment but if we do it won't be bad.
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I am beginning to come around to everyone's way of thinking. At least it may only be wishful thinking. I had not seen the report of the allegations that lauded UT for their prompt actions.
I only know that in the past that when allegations have come down we got hammered. Let's wait and see.
 
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orange_glory said:
This will be over in six months or less. (90 days for UT to respond and it won't take them that long and 60 days for NCAA to respond and it may take them that long) Scholarship reduction, vacate wins, and fine. Then were free.
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I just realized something when reading articles about it. Every person named in the NOA (Pruitt, Neids, etc.) has 90 days to respond to the NCAA as well as Tennessee. It will take the full 90 days for the responses to all get in to the NCAA. I don't see many of those people named rushing to give feedback to the NCAA.

This thing will drag for the full 150 days most likely.
 
#78
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82_VOL_83 said:
LWS do you think we will take the full 90 days? As closely as they have worked wouldn't they know what the NCAA responses would be to questions?
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I just put in another post on the 90 days. Its not just Tennessee responding to the NOA. Each person named in the NOA has to also respond. I doubt many of those people will rush to get response in.
 
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allen phillips said:
I am beginning to come around to everyone's way of thinking. At least it may only be wishful thinking. I had not seen the report of the allegations that lauded UT for their prompt actions.
I only know that in the past that when allegations have come down we got hammered. Let's wait and see.
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True, I just think if we fired everyone that was giving money, told the kids to kick rocks that took money, and self reported everything, and even put a limit on scholarships, I'd hope DW would tell the nazi NCAA to kick rocks if it's anything else other than a "time served" type punishment.
 
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allen phillips said:
You are dead wrong. It has just started. The Ncaa bullies are going to hammer UT. We are their whipping boys. They will hammer us just because they know that we will accept any judgment they throw at us and we will grovel just like we have done so many times before. UT has never had the balls to stand up to them and we will not do so now. Get set for the green weenie. somebody pass
the vaseline.
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Heck, man. I am the eternal pessimist, but we are not getting hammered.

1. We are the "standard" for how to work with the NCAA on investigations--to hammer us would simply be the end of any school "working with" the NCAA and would immediately start lawyering up for a legal battle

2. NCAA new thoughts is to punish those responsible, not the innocent student-athletes on the team

3. We docked ourselves 12 scholarship players already....12....that is 3 short of what the NCAA did to USC for much worse

4. We do not have a long history of breaking rules in our past

5. The payouts were $60K....over 3 years. Not like we were dishing out six figures/year. And all done by coaches/staff (and Pruitt's wife)

6. NCAA stayed away from "lack of institutional control" wording--putting blame primarily and largely on the coaching staff

7. We immediately termed all responsible

8. Not sure if you have noticed, but there is a total change in leadership for UT Athletics....we are not the same UT we were

EDIT: Just saw some of your later posts....all good!
 
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stolitonic said:
Deep down in my heart, I think you are right

My brain on the other hand, disagrees. I just have a weird feeling in the back of my head that the NCAA is peeved about the "no power anymore" trope and are gonna overdo simply to show they can. What that would be or entail, I dunno but it's not gonna be good. Even worse, I think they will drag their feet and this will still be open in 2025.
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The NCAA is moving faster on this matter than on the North Carolina and LSU cases. UT has admitted wrong and imposed it's own penalties whereas the other two are challenging or putting up a defense. For that reason I expect UT will get light sanctions if any at all.
 
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Congrats (and thank you!) to the people at UT who acted so proactively. This group helped insure that all the efforts by coach Heupel and his staff, along with the faith the kids have put in them, was not in vain. Perhaps, just perhaps, the sigh heard round Knocksville the other day will help be our rallying cry for this Fall.

Go Vols!
 
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tbones0711 said:
The NCAA is moving faster on this matter than on the North Carolina and LSU cases. UT has admitted wrong and imposed it's own penalties whereas the other two are challenging or putting up a defense. For that reason I expect UT will get light sanctions if any at all.
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Like I said man, I really hope you're right.

My brain on the other hand is telling me other things.
 
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You can bet there are still coaches out there warning recruits that UT's penalties could be stiff. So one could say, the damage is still done. :mad:
 
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LWSVOL said:
I just put in another post on the 90 days. Its not just Tennessee responding to the NOA. Each person named in the NOA has to also respond. I doubt many of those people will rush to get response in.
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Dumb question but could someone like Pruitt ask for an extension or anything on the 90 days? Just wondering how concrete the 90 day window is.
 
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CAVPUT said:
I suspect a response will be sent back in short order. We investigated, cleaned house, and self imposed scholarships. At that point, it would seem simple for the NCAA to accept that and consider the case closed with the possible exception of a show cause on Pruitt and other coaches. However, we all know the NCAA doesn't do anything the simple/easy way. Probably another couple of years before they reply.
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I think you got all the bases covered there!

I HOPE our administration has this worked out to be over with quickly. If so, we can move on into our bright future.
 
#93
#93
DaddyChad said:
So really we still don’t have a definitive maximum time window? We just know that it sounds positive from the initial wording.
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I don't think there is. The NCAA could always learn something new during the rest of this process that would extend it. Would they extend waiting to hear from people no longer associated with UT? I just don't know how they do that.
 
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VOLnMiami said:
Far from done...We still got to wait on the penalites we are going to get from it.
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Yep, we’re going to be renamed Florida North and have to wear a Jorts all year long. If it gets real bad we’re gonna have to have Tebow tattooed on our for head.
 
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Schools in the past
1) didn’t disclose until they were caught red handed
2) most fought investigations
3) many threatened or took legal action against the NCAA to protect their interest
4) many kept coaches & players who violated rules & refused to cooperate

UT did none of that. If NCAA is reasonable in their current position, they’ll punish those responsible and accept UT penalties that were self imposed. Jmo
 
#99
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VFL-82-JP said:
Some folks care quite a bit where we stand in the all-time record books.

Some folks really would not like to see UGa pass us on the all-time wins list.

Some folks think hurting your own program just because you didn't like the guy who was in charge those three years is a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face. Remember, there were plenty of innocent young men, and a few good coaches, who served on those teams, too.

But if you don't care, fine. Care not, all you wish.
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I definitely care. I hope they don't vacate considering everyone's paying everyone now anyway. UGA is only 3 games behind us rn though and may very well pass us this year anyway without any vacated wins. LSU is currently 33 games back and that would cut a third of their deficit away if we lost 11.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
We didn't pay a thing.


The NCAA normally only vacates wins from games in which players who received illegal benefits participated. That means the 5 wins from 2018 are probably safe. The NCAA will use the list of complicit players to decide which wins from 2019 and 2020 must be vacated. That will be some number up to 11.

So, for instance, if Henry To'o To'o was one of the players who got illegal benefits (I'm not saying he was, this is just an example), the NCAA will look at what games he played in. It just so happens he played in every single game his freshman (2019) and sophomore (2020) seasons. Which means we would vacate all 8+3 victories of those two years.
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If participation by a player that took payments cost UT games, are the schools that took any of those identified within the reporting at risk for playing them? With the questions of payments clearly out there for anybody leaving UT it seems like they would have to assume some risk if they did not show due diligence and request clarification from UT before putting them on the field.
 
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