Give An Honest Assessment...

Cut dink and dunked UT to the SEC CG in 2007 with less talent on O.

Honest assessment? It doesn't look good. I would like to believe because I like Jones' style and methods. But the fact is that several SEC coaches who took over situations at least as bad or worse have managed to re-build their team much more quickly. The best comparison is Freeze. The situations they inherited with regard to talent and even quality experience were very similar. Freeze played alot of talented youth in his first two years. He beat LSU and won 8 games in his 2nd year. I'd be tickled if Jones appeared to be on that path... he doesn't right now.
 
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Hart would have kept Dooley if he had just posted a winning record in year 3. As disappointing as that is... it was reported at the time by close sources.
 
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No way this staff gets five years minimum, without meeting certain goals and expectations. Everybody wants Butch to succeed, but he's going to have to start winning games that matter. Nobody expects him to beat top teams right away, but he needs to start beating the Floridas and South Carolinas on the schedule.

UTAD is far from broke. We just received a $50 million donation from Jim Haslam, and boosters will provide whatever is needed to make this program competitive. Nobody wants another coaching change, but nobody wants to continue to be embarrassed by our rivals, either. Butch will be given everything he needs to succeed here, but the university won't be afraid to make a move in four years, if we are not moving forward at an acceptable pace. Butch will have all his own players then, and his record will speak for itself.
 
Hart would have kept Dooley if he had just posted a winning record in year 3. As disappointing as that is... it was reported at the time by close sources.

True, and illustrates the scariest part of the problem ie the incompetence at AD and above.
 
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Butch fails Hart fails and both go.

I do not believe Butch goes though. I see him coaching here in 10 years.

But I do see Bajakan either getting better or getting a new job.
 
I believe that the defense is improving and from what I see and read Tenn. Next year Defense will return to the old defense that use to be very stout in years past.
Offense is not up to par with previous years. Main problem is the O_Line. Got to have better personnel in the future. In the mean time Butch and coaches must adapt the current personnel to a system that will help. Read option is not going to work with this group. Double or stack up on tight ends on one side of the line. That will put more blockers at the point of attack. Quarterback needs to carry out fakes better. So by carry out the fake this will help confuse defense in not knowing whether ball will be run or pass. Slant plays over the middle will help. This type of blocking is to get a hat on hat and drive or push forward. Ark is doing a great job in blocking. Yes they have overall better personnel than we do on the O-line.
Franchuck.
 
Id say we are inconsistent more than anything. Nobody was criticizing the offense after Georgia. Then they stink up the joint to a crap Florida team. Young equals inconsistent. We just have to hope they play out of their minds in October and win a few of these big games. I wouldn't bet my house on it though.
 
There some really good observations in this thread. Definitely worth reading. Good job.

Given the improvement we've seen, expectations have gone up without any realistic basis. We need to remember the train wreck of a roster Kiffy and Dudley left us. While I agree that the defense was the bigger mess talent wise, we could have done a bit better balancing the 2014 recruiting class. However, who would have guessed that Blair would not have taken a single snap at this point? At the time, I thought we needed a couple more OL recruits, but Blair was so good on paper. Now his failure to claim the LT spot has caused a series of problems all along the line. And there are no SEC caliber OL in the pipeline.

I'm not happy with some of the play calling, but I doubt another OC would have done any better. Bajakian knows offense and has done well in his previous jobs. He just doesn't have the weapons to fight a fair fight right now. If we had last year's OL, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But it is sooooo tough to live with!!!! I want it and I want it now!!!!!! LOL
 
I won't give an assessment but I will give you my prediction for the rest of this season. We finish the season with an 7-5 record. Our only loses to the obvious - Ole Miss & Bama. The others are for sure winnable and I'm predicting those to be W's. So 7-5 for the season and if we win our bowl game that's a 8-5 record. That's better than what the so called experts predicted in the summer.
 
All I can see is Tennessee's progress or it's lack thereof in various areas.

I think our QB play has obviously improved. Worley, like him or not, is light years better than what he was last year. Is he perfect? No. But would I like to have him back another year? Yes, definitely. He has done well, minus a few mistakes, but find me a quarterback who doesn't. Worley at this point could be compared to Foster....great job overall, just a few critical mistakes at critical times gets him his reputation. Take away the Oklahoma pick 6 and the 4th quarter Florida interception, and Worley has had a great season. I think given the OL, and the amounts of hits he's taken, Worley has been exceptional this year. At least compared to last year.

RB I think has been neutral. I haven't seen any improvement from last year. Sure, with bringing in Hurd, there's potential, huge potential. But Lane and Neal from last year to Lane and Hurd this year? Haven't seen any real huge difference. Only difference is last year, you knew what you were getting with Neal, and this year, we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg from Hurd. Once again, I think the potential of RBs we have now and are getting is great (especially once Scott is 100%, and Reid and Kamara get on campus). Just from year 0 to year 1 though, I'll call it neutral.

OL - Obviously, this group hasn't improved, but of course, it's a whole new group. These guys weren't on the field last year. Most of them weren't anyways. Still a young group, and it's showing. Decent pass blockers, terrible run blockers. Opposing DC's know this is our weakness, and they've really tested our OL, and forced us to pass. From year 0 to year 1, yes, this group has regressed. But I hope that people will wait until their second year to truly judge them. They spent most of the year as backups or even high schoolers last year.

WR - Improvement. I don't think we've utilized them as much as we should, and we haven't gotten them open in space as much, but you can definitely see our athleticism improving at WR. Bringing in Pearson has helped. I think we have improved at the position, but I don't think we've come close to utilizing the potential we have at the position.

TE - Major upgrade. Wolf is the real deal, and Helm is going to be a good one as well. I like where we are at the TE position. Interested to see where Kyle Oliver fits in next year.

DL - Upgrade. That's the surprise to me. We lost a lot on the DL obviously, but I think that Derek Barnett has made the difference, and I think that Danny O'Brien has stepped up in the middle. We've been able to get decent pressure on QB's, and I've been impressed with them. I think we've upgraded the DL, and next year....oh man, I get giddy thinking about Kahlil and Shy on those lines.

LB - Upgrade. Why? JRM. He has been the surprise of the defense, IMO. Any LB crew with A.J. is gonna be alright, but JRM has made a huge difference in our LB corp.

DB - Neutral. Cam is obviously legit, but Coleman hasn't shown much improvement. McNeil has played a little better. Randolph doesn't seem to have made a whole lot of noise yet. TK is playing well, he's been a surprise. I think alot like I do on RB's here. Potential to be great....but neutral from what we were last year. Anytime you have a Cam Sutton in the secondary, you're going to be alright. I like where the DBs are headed.

Special Teams - Neutral. I think Darr is punting about as well as he has been, and I think that Medley is going to be just fine. Started off rough, but I think he's going to be alright. Palardy really was our MVP last year, and Medley has done well, after those first few misses against Utah state and Arky State. Going to Athens, and playing the Gators, he did well. Our return game??? Haven't really even had anything to judge on punt return, and kick returns, still haven't broke anything worth mentioning. But, as opposed to a few years ago, at least we're still catching balls and not fumbling them.

I think overall, our team has improved, no doubt. Defense is glaringly better. Offense is better at most every position, but the one weakness almost cancels out those gains. OL is the bottleneck of the offense. Without a good OL, everything gets harder.

I just keep thinking "patience....patience...."
 
Jones took over this team knowing we were stacked with Seniors on the line and he chose to sign a ton of WRs we don't throw the ball to

Shouldn't he have gone after a few more Juco Olinemen instead of just Blair in order to have more depth on the line?

It wouldn't have mattered.

Apparently, the blocking scheme is so complex that no one can learn it in less than 4 years based on some comments I have seen.
 
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I do think Sutton is a 1st team All-American right now. Reminds me of Roland James. Mr. steady.
 
All I can see is Tennessee's progress or it's lack thereof in various areas.

I think our QB play has obviously improved. Worley, like him or not, is light years better than what he was last year. Is he perfect? No. But would I like to have him back another year? Yes, definitely. He has done well, minus a few mistakes, but find me a quarterback who doesn't. Worley at this point could be compared to Foster....great job overall, just a few critical mistakes at critical times gets him his reputation. Take away the Oklahoma pick 6 and the 4th quarter Florida interception, and Worley has had a great season. I think given the OL, and the amounts of hits he's taken, Worley has been exceptional this year. At least compared to last year.

RB I think has been neutral. I haven't seen any improvement from last year. Sure, with bringing in Hurd, there's potential, huge potential. But Lane and Neal from last year to Lane and Hurd this year? Haven't seen any real huge difference. Only difference is last year, you knew what you were getting with Neal, and this year, we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg from Hurd. Once again, I think the potential of RBs we have now and are getting is great (especially once Scott is 100%, and Reid and Kamara get on campus). Just from year 0 to year 1 though, I'll call it neutral.

OL - Obviously, this group hasn't improved, but of course, it's a whole new group. These guys weren't on the field last year. Most of them weren't anyways. Still a young group, and it's showing. Decent pass blockers, terrible run blockers. Opposing DC's know this is our weakness, and they've really tested our OL, and forced us to pass. From year 0 to year 1, yes, this group has regressed. But I hope that people will wait until their second year to truly judge them. They spent most of the year as backups or even high schoolers last year.

WR - Improvement. I don't think we've utilized them as much as we should, and we haven't gotten them open in space as much, but you can definitely see our athleticism improving at WR. Bringing in Pearson has helped. I think we have improved at the position, but I don't think we've come close to utilizing the potential we have at the position.

TE - Major upgrade. Wolf is the real deal, and Helm is going to be a good one as well. I like where we are at the TE position. Interested to see where Kyle Oliver fits in next year.

DL - Upgrade. That's the surprise to me. We lost a lot on the DL obviously, but I think that Derek Barnett has made the difference, and I think that Danny O'Brien has stepped up in the middle. We've been able to get decent pressure on QB's, and I've been impressed with them. I think we've upgraded the DL, and next year....oh man, I get giddy thinking about Kahlil and Shy on those lines.

LB - Upgrade. Why? JRM. He has been the surprise of the defense, IMO. Any LB crew with A.J. is gonna be alright, but JRM has made a huge difference in our LB corp.

DB - Neutral. Cam is obviously legit, but Coleman hasn't shown much improvement. McNeil has played a little better. Randolph doesn't seem to have made a whole lot of noise yet. TK is playing well, he's been a surprise. I think alot like I do on RB's here. Potential to be great....but neutral from what we were last year. Anytime you have a Cam Sutton in the secondary, you're going to be alright. I like where the DBs are headed.

Special Teams - Neutral. I think Darr is punting about as well as he has been, and I think that Medley is going to be just fine. Started off rough, but I think he's going to be alright. Palardy really was our MVP last year, and Medley has done well, after those first few misses against Utah state and Arky State. Going to Athens, and playing the Gators, he did well. Our return game??? Haven't really even had anything to judge on punt return, and kick returns, still haven't broke anything worth mentioning. But, as opposed to a few years ago, at least we're still catching balls and not fumbling them.

I think overall, our team has improved, no doubt. Defense is glaringly better. Offense is better at most every position, but the one weakness almost cancels out those gains. OL is the bottleneck of the offense. Without a good OL, everything gets harder.

I just keep thinking "patience....patience...."

Sorry, I stopped reading after you said Worley has improved. Come on...
 
Intangibles( APR, Visibility etc)

Off the charts. Jones is doing and saying the right things off the field and is the best recruiter the program has seen since Fulmer in his prime. Everyone had been universally lauding this program until the past week in the media.

Defense

Outstanding...Jancek has pleasantly surprised me this season. The defense has missed some plays but I feel that is due to lack of experience with an influx of young talent. They are night and day from last year and the Sunseri era and lackadaisical play are a thing of the past.

Special Teams

Decent but improving. Medley handled the pressure well and put points on the board last week when the offense couldn't. The days of Brandon James type performances seems to be over.

Offense

Consistently inconsistent and bordering on terrible after the Florida game.

They don't string drives together and don't have a real identity on offense. They want to be a power running team without the ability to do so. They have tried to turn a QB who would be a better fit in a pass first offense into a running QB and it is obvious to everyone outside the sunshine pumpers and enablers that it isn't working, most of all to Worley who continues to get pummeled on a weekly basis.

Given the influx of talent at WR, another year of experience by Worley, and the addition of Hurd this offense should have improved from last season. It's a statistical dead heat at this point though.

The O line is a nice, convenient excuse but there were returning lettermen and players handpicked over a full recruiting cycle by the staff for this offensive line. If the scheme is so complex they can't learn it, maybe it is time to simplify it. If it is a raw talent issue, there are bigger problems in the recruiting and development process.

Since Jones is the head coach and is ultimately responsible for all of the above, I'd say he is doing a solid yet unspectacular job overall. Until the wins start piling up, none of the rest will matter. That's not fair but that's the way of the world of college football today whether you like it or not.

The offense is going to be his undoing if they can't improve it in short order. My fear is Florida gave everyone else the blue print to stop these guys and they can't/won't adjust as the season progresses.
 
I can agree with that.

The argument would be whether that playcalling is a function of the OC being inept or the oline limiting us so much that it's almost impossible to scheme around. I vote a little of not adjusting to personnel and a lot of the problem being the talent we have specifically at Oline.
See, somebody understands how this works! Anyway you stir the pot, We Are Not Very Good On The Offensive Line!
 
Yes, offensive play calling is questionable. However, no one on that staff has fumbled a ball, thrown an interception, gave up a sack or had a false start penalty to hurt a drive. These close games have been lost on the field by the players.
 
Yes, offensive play calling is questionable. However, no one on that staff has fumbled a ball, thrown an interception, gave up a sack or had a false start penalty to hurt a drive. These close games have been lost on the field by the players.

Even ol' Dools himself (at least while at UT) didn't fumble, throw an interception, give up a sack or have a false start penalty to hurt a drive. In fact, Dooley actually caught a pass from his favorite quarterback during a game. My point is... what is your point?
 
Sorry, I stopped reading after you said Worley has improved. Come on...

Worley with even a middling OL would be a statistical leader in the SEC. He has improved significantly... and along with Hurd are the only two O players consistently showing up.
 
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Worley with even a middling OL would be a statistical leader in the SEC. He has improved significantly... and along with Hurd are the only two O players consistently showing up.

I think you some legit Wrs and TEs as well. Worleys consistency (with what the OL provides) is directly tied to them.
 
Worley with even a middling OL would be a statistical leader in the SEC. He has improved significantly... and along with Hurd are the only two O players consistently showing up.

That fumble/sack vs UF shows what Worley is dealing with. Completely blindsided.
 
We've had 4-5 yrs of crap prior to Jones, attrition from multiple classes which lead to inexperience in 2010 and 2014, and a top 5 strength of schedule every year.

Are you talking about Malzahn who basically took a year off, Arkansas who had to control the damage for one season or Ole Miss who is in year 3? Who is the other program in yr 2? This is a tougher rebuild than most fans want to admit.

Dooley left this team with less talent than we every had in 43 years as fan, we are right on schedule with a little luck we could have won the last 2, we will beat somebody that we should not, it hurts so much because it was the gators, we will still get to 6 and 6 and 8 and 4 next year, then in 2016 we will rule the EAST again.:rock:
 
I'm honestly curious what it would take for some of you to even dare question the great Butch Jones. If we were to lose every game after UTC would that even make you guys entertain the (blasphemous!) thought that maybe the guy isn't a very good coach?

I like Coach Jones, but if Stoops has this Tennessee team on Saturday, they beat the Gators by 3 touchdowns. Not saying that I like Stoops, (or any Stoops), but the truth is that Kentucky is seemingly able to do less with more...which is something that Tennessee has been incapable of doing for the last 30 years. You may not like what I'm saying, but just ask yourself this question: How many coaches can you name off the top of your head that would have beaten Florida on Saturday with the talent we have on this team? I got to 15 and quit counting. I hope Coach Jones is successful and he coaches here the rest of his life, but these lame excuses have got to end.
 
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