Give An Honest Assessment...

[Volle]

Defense is playing a lot better than expected, special teams average with no return game at all, offense will not work without a dangerous threat at quarterback. The offense continues to block seven with five offensive linemen and two are true freshmen, and even with running back staying in to pass protect it still seven against six. With Worley not running, defenses don't have to use a spy and can continually send the entire front seven on every passing down, playing man coverage like Florida, the offense cannot work. THIS IS THE PROBLEM. You have to hit the TE a lot, to freeze the linebackers which will allow a WR to get open down field. Our Running game is nothing more than an old fashion draw play over and over, no blocking full back. The few and I say few times we run a traditional run play with blockers out in front it works. It takes a special quarterback to run the scheme we are running. Worley is not a bad quarterback, he is in the wrong scheme. JMHO

This says it all. It takes a Russel Wilson to succeed in Bajakien's offensive scheme, and the run game suffers the most without a running QB. If Butch doesn't fix it right now, we will see the same results the next few weekends. The UK game will be the measuring stick for Butch & Co. If we lose that game to a rebuilding rival (and Bama,UM,USC,MO), Butch will officially be on the hot seat for 2015. Also, who is more fun to watch of the rebuilding teams (Yr 1 or 2) in the SEC-- I'd say in this order-- UMiss, Ark, UK, and UT is dead last.

 

[oregonvol]

I'm honestly curious what it would take for some of you to even dare question the great Butch Jones. If we were to lose every game after UTC would that even make you guys entertain the (blasphemous!) thought that maybe the guy isn't a very good coach?

You were here during the Dooley era, right? You know how this goes. Even after the Kentucky loss, most on here were full-on Dooley and thought he could do no wrong.

 

[hog88]

Because they there's no option in it right now.

Sure there is, but per Butch's own words we do not run the read-option.

I know it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and smells like a duck but it's not a duck per Butch.

 

[volgrad500]

I think anyone would question him if they lose to Vandy or UTC. You would have to be absolutely clueless to believe that is going to happen though. Of course some of our fans are blind enough to not see improvement on the field.

Okay, and please keep in mind I'm not trying to start an argument I just honestly want to see what fans see as Butch's baseline of success.
So what you are saying is we could lose to everyone after UTC except Vandy and you wouldn't even begin to question whether Butch was a good coach? (That would put his record against P5 teams at 3-15, with two of those wins over Kentucky and Vandy)

 

[BeecherVol]

Bajakian is taking more heat than he should. The Oline's lack of ability to give Worley any time to set his feet and throw limits the playbook. The read option is also limited because the staff can't afford to have Worley hurt, so that limits the playbook even more. That being said I thought he called a way to conservative game against Florida. But up until then I really didn't have any complaints.

Its Bajakians job to understand how the game is playing out and he did a poor job of that Saturday. UGA was about putting up points because our D was not gonna shutdown UGAs offense. UF was totally different.

 

[lilesrt]

Some on this staff

Jones is safe in my mind, for now

I've also warmed up to Jancek after seeing this defense. If he maintains this, then he will be safe.

Bajakian and Mahoney are on my out the door list right now. That could change

But, what I say doesn't really matter

Have you ever given consideration to the fact that staff inconsistencies over the years have led us to this point? Our recruiting is going well. I say stay the course WITH THIS STAFF intact until year 4. If no improvement has been made, CBJ needs to make some staff changes. Butch Jones is here to stay. I am convinced of it. My lone concern is not so much in our OLine development, but moreso in this staffs lack of vision in terms of recruiting the right QB to fit their system.

 

[fade route]

Its Bajakians job to understand how the game is playing out and he did a poor job of that Saturday. UGA was about putting up points because our D was not gonna shutdown UGAs offense. UF was totally different.

We agree

 

[BeecherVol]

We agree

3 runs and a punt (at worst), with a 2 score lead win the game Saturday.

 

[CountVolcula]

Have you ever given consideration to the fact that staff inconsistencies over the years have led us to this point? Our recruiting is going well. I say stay the course WITH THIS STAFF intact until year 4. If no improvement has been made, CBJ needs to make some staff changes. Butch Jones is here to stay. I am convinced of it. My lone concern is not so much in our OLine development, but moreso in this staffs lack of vision in terms of recruiting the right QB to fit their system.

Keep the faith

 

[CountVolcula]

Sure there is, but per Butch's own words we do not run the read-option.

I know it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and smells like a duck but it's not a duck per Butch.

Then we need to draw up plays to make Worley run instead of giving him the option to pull it and run

Jones himself has said Worley has the option to run it if he sees an opening

 

[hog88]

Then we need to draw up plays to make Worley run instead of giving him the option to pull it and run

Jones himself has said Worley has the option to run it if he sees an opening

Agreed, at lest a couple times per game.

 

[BeecherVol]

Have you ever given consideration to the fact that staff inconsistencies over the years have led us to this point? Our recruiting is going well. I say stay the course WITH THIS STAFF intact until year 4. If no improvement has been made, CBJ needs to make some staff changes. Butch Jones is here to stay. I am convinced of it. My lone concern is not so much in our OLine development, but moreso in this staffs lack of vision in terms of recruiting the right QB to fit their system.

Inconsistencies as in some of them sucked and needed to be replaced?

UT is where it is because of bad coaches over the past several years. Continuity is irrelevant to the discussion when someone is not getting it done.

 

[hog88]

Inconsistencies as in some of them sucked and needed to be replaced?

UT is where it is because of bad coaches over the past several years. Continuity is irrelevant to the discussion when someone is not getting it done.

If replacing an OC and/or O-line coach hurts your recruiting you're doing it wrong.

 

[Brianchevy]

DC gets an A-
OC gets a C-
recruiter coordinator gets a raise
special teams (kicking) coach gets a piece of cake with ice cream
Head Coach gets a nod and told to keep going
OC gets a warning, step up in remaining games or look for new work at end of season

overall B-

 

[BeecherVol]

If replacing an OC and/or O-line coach hurts your recruiting you're doing it wrong.

True as well.

 

[DaddyChad]

Okay, and please keep in mind I'm not trying to start an argument I just honestly want to see what fans see as Butch's baseline of success.
So what you are saying is we could lose to everyone after UTC except Vandy and you wouldn't even begin to question whether Butch was a good coach? (That would put his record against P5 teams at 3-15, with two of those wins over Kentucky and Vandy)

Of course we're going to assess him as a coach as the season goes by. People will make excuses for the staff as well. Some will be justified, some will not. Like it or not, the staff is here for 5 years bare minimum though barring a trainwreck season, scandal of epic proportions, or a change in the AD. Hart is not going to fire his guy unless he has proven that he cannot do the job. Fans think they can assess the situation but most of the time they can't. Hart has already showed with Dooley that he is going to have patience it letting a situation play out.

 

[bullseye]

why he kept calling that screen pass is beyond me, florida defended it almost every time.

 

[A-RodWiLks]

Would you feel better if Bajakian called a wide open throwing offense that our offense does not have the ability to run at this time? Maybe three or four pick six interceptions per game and we lose by 3 touchdowns would make you happy?

This is comical....if a "wide open throwing offense" would include calling a slant when the defense is blitzing backers every down, then yes. If this offense includes not going under center for the first time all game to hand the ball off from your six inch line...then absolutely yes.

If it were just a few mistakes, I'd let it go...but the truth is that Bajakian consistently screws up and it's costing us games. I realize our line sucks, but there are plenty of quick plays that can diminish that weakness....and what's his obsession with the short side sweep?? His playbook is one page long and he is clueless when it comes to getting ball to playmakers.

 

[BeecherVol]

Of course we're going to assess him as a coach as the season goes by. People will make excuses for the staff as well. Some will be justified, some will not. Like it or not, the staff is here for 5 years bare minimum though barring a trainwreck season, scandal of epic proportions, or a change in the AD. Hart is not going to fire his guy unless he has proven that he cannot do the job. Fans think they can assess the situation but most of the time they can't. Hart has already showed with Dooley that he is going to have patience it letting a situation play out.

The last bold makes the first hard to figure.

 

[TGVol]

I think Bajakian will be good when the talent is ideal and in place but he sucks at adjustment.

I think the open question is will Bajakian ever be as good as we eventually want him to be. During their last year at Cincy his offense had some games where they scored a lot of points but also some horrible performances. Worst was vs Rutgers where they lost 10:3 at home. This was with their own experienced players so can't blame oline of previous coach recruits (it was Kelly so blaming him would not make sense either). I don't think our fans will ever tolerate that type of performance here - for sure not once we are fully loaded in terms of talent and supposed to be back competing for championships as during good old days.

 

[DaddyChad]

The last bold makes the first hard to figure.

Beecher, everyone knew Dooley was done after the UK loss. Hart still let that situation play out further. Dooley wasn't Hart's hire, he pretty much had quite a bit of support amongst alumni to get rid of him as well but he still let it play out longer than probably he should have. Jones is Hart's hire, he is recruiting at a much higher level than Dooley, he is not pissing off former players, alumni or throwing players on the team under the bus, he is not suffering wide spread assistant defections to other programs. Jones will get a much longer leash than Dooley did. Our financial reserve further supports that as well.

 

[hog88]

Beecher, everyone knew Dooley was done after the UK loss. Hart still let that situation play out further. Dooley wasn't Hart's hire, he pretty much had quite a bit of support amongst alumni to get rid of him as well but he still let it play out longer than probably he should have. Jones is Hart's hire, he is recruiting at a much higher level than Dooley, he is not pissing off former players, alumni or throwing players on the team under the bus, he is not suffering wide spread assistant defections to other programs. Jones will get a much longer leash than Dooley did. Our financial reserve further supports that as well.

The only things that could lead to Butch being fired in under 5 years is a scandal or a complete failure in 2016.

 

[fade route]

This is comical....if a "wide open throwing offense" would include calling a slant when the defense is blitzing backers every down, then yes. If this offense includes not going under center for the first time all game to hand the ball off from your six inch line...then absolutely yes.

If it were just a few mistakes, I'd let it go...but the truth is that Bajakian consistently screws up and it's costing us games. I realize our line sucks, but there are plenty of quick plays that can diminish that weakness....and what's his obsession with the short side sweep?? His playbook is one page long and he is clueless when it comes to getting ball to playmakers.

I will agree with you in the sense that I do not understand why we don't run quick slants with Wolf, Malone, or North. Those guys are big enough to catch in traffic and big enough to get some valuable YAC.

 

[BeecherVol]

Beecher, everyone knew Dooley was done after the UK loss. Hart still let that situation play out further. Dooley wasn't Hart's hire, he pretty much had quite a bit of support amongst alumni to get rid of him as well but he still let it play out longer than probably he should have. Jones is Hart's hire, he is recruiting at a much higher level than Dooley, he is not pissing off former players, alumni or throwing players on the team under the bus, he is not suffering wide spread assistant defections to other programs. Jones will get a much longer leash than Dooley did. Our financial reserve further supports that as well.

I agree with all of that. Dooley should have been fired before he left the field at Commonwealth. Jones has helped his cause with his off the field gestures and PR stuff. He's made a lot of friends and sold a lot of tshirts. Im not sure that buys him 5 years tho.

 

[gogators13]

You can kind of compare. They played Florida too.

Yea, everyone knows UK put up more points than us on UF, but we held UF to less points. We're probably even UK right now.

I watched both games and UK did it in the swamp. UF has changed the secondary since the UK/Bama games and showed improvement against UT. UF didn't have coverage bust against UT, leaving wide open WRs running streak route like they did against UK.