Gilbert: Martin vs Pearl, easy choice

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volbeast33 said:
Players have played yr round for 13 or more yrs by the time a player hits college. They have been touched by a multitude amount of coaches and attended numerous skills camps. With the limited amount of time college coaches can work with players, I don't they have much affect on individual player development besides possibly putting players in better position to succeed.
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Come on man.. Are you telling me that the players Brad Stevens gets at Butler are great players? He coaches the hell out of that team and makes those players what they are.

Gordon Heyward and Shelvin Mack were not highly rated. They now both play in the NBA.

Do they evolve into the players they are if a Wade Houston is their coach? He'll no!

It's sad that Wade automatically comes to mind when thinking if horrid coaches haha.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Players have played yr round for 13 or more yrs by the time a player hits college. They have been touched by a multitude amount of coaches and attended numerous skills camps. With the limited amount of time college coaches can work with players, I don't they have much affect on individual player development besides possibly putting players in better position to succeed.
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How do you explain the transformation of Jordan Mcrae?
 
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volbeast33 said:
And the truth is Zo is just as big a cheater
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AlaskaVol said:
You want to paint him as a liar and allow no redemption for telling the truth. You are one of the minority or which I speak. One of those "without sin." Congratulations on your black and white approach to life, but I hope you are not always judged by your own standards.
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Ironic, since you seem to be a mighty high horse there, and pretty freakin' judgmental.

And again, your opinion I'm in the minority.
 
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ranradVOL said:
This thread makes my head hurt. Is anyone seriously dense enough to want Pearl back?

The guy couldn't coach for sh**. He was a pretty good recruiter. He was basically a poor mans Calipari. His offense was so excruciating to watch, they would just stand around with no movement.

Was he exciting? Sure, but what wouldn't be exciting after watching the garbage Buzz put on the floor.
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For a guy that couldn't coach, he sure did hide it good, seeing how he made the dance every frickin year he was here. Coach Martin seems to be a good man and I appreciate that and hope he's successful here, but doubts are starting to creep in for me about his ability to get it done.
 
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Special Ed said:
The ncaa is the most corrupt and inept organization since the dawn of man. Mark Emmert and his boys have been called to task by the national media lately for ‘lack of institutional control’ for their immoral means of conducting investigations of member institutions and their biased and unethical way of meting out punishment. Lying to them is not exactly equivalent to lying to Congress(strike that) your mother. No governing body of college athletics should ever be excused for letting creeps like John Calipari continue to get off scot free for years and years while doling out sanctions against a select few. I have no faith whatsoever in the ncaa and wouldn’t trust anyone involved with it any farther than I could throw him. It’s an unholy entity if ever there was one.
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Preach brother preach!
 
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ranradVOL said:
How do you explain the transformation of Jordan Mcrae?
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How do u explain Jaquan smith, Dane Bradshaw, Brandon Crump, major wingate, Ian Lockhart and I'm sure numerous others........McRae showed immense amount of skills when he got on campus.....like most college players it took a little while for it to all come together for him.....that's why you would rather have a team full of seniors than freshman.
 
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ranradVOL said:
Come on man.. Are you telling me that the players Brad Stevens gets at Butler are great players? He coaches the hell out of that team and makes those players what they are.

Gordon Heyward and Shelvin Mack were not highly rated. They now both play in the NBA.

Do they evolve into the players they are if a Wade Houston is their coach? He'll no!

It's sad that Wade automatically comes to mind when thinking if horrid coaches haha.
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He is an amazing coach with a great eye for talent.
 
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volbeast33 said:
He committed at least three NCAA violations.
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You're kidding right? Schools self-report hundreds (combined) of secondary violations in bball and football every year. It's the norm for any major program. Look at the list... it's petty stuff.

Secondary violations mean nothing. Lying about committing a secondary violation, and getting caught, means a lot.
 
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volbeast33 said:
How do u explain Jaquan smith, Dane Bradshaw, Brandon Crump, major wingate, Ian Lockhart and I'm sure numerous others........McRae showed immense amount of skills when he got on campus.....like most college players it took a little while for it to all come together for him.....that's why you would rather have a team full of seniors than freshman.
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You just made my point for me. Were Smith, Bradshaw, Wingate, etc better when they left than when they got here? Yes.

Coaches develop talent. According to you, college coaches don't develop players. It's their youth league, high school, and aau coaches.. which is ridiculous.
 
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volbeast33 said:
How do u explain Jaquan smith, Dane Bradshaw, Brandon Crump, major wingate, Ian Lockhart and I'm sure numerous others........McRae showed immense amount of skills when he got on campus.....like most college players it took a little while for it to all come together for him.....that's why you would rather have a team full of seniors than freshman.
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Haha.. So McRae is better because he's 20 years old instead of 18? It had nothing to do with a coach developing his game?

Wow.
 
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Its sad to see our fans bragging about 20 wins. Winning exactly 20 games is not good and not acceptable. The way Martin is recruiting year 4 is going to be pitiful.
 
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volbeast33 said:
How do u explain Jaquan smith, Dane Bradshaw, Brandon Crump, major wingate, Ian Lockhart and I'm sure numerous others........McRae showed immense amount of skills when he got on campus.....like most college players it took a little while for it to all come together for him.....that's why you would rather have a team full of seniors than freshman.
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Who's this Jaquan Smith you speak of? I'm sure you meant Jajuan Smith. And just so you know, Bradshaw was AP All-State, Gatorade Player of the Year, state tournament MVP, and McDonald's All-American nominee. He was no slouch coming into college.
 
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Can we just move on from this Pearl coming back stuff? The AD, Chancellor and BOT will not hire him back - that door is closed. They dealt with the AA stuff that hurt the program and donating/ticket buying fanbase. It contributed to a great deal of angst.

Be thinking about who you want other than Pearl if Zo blows it next season; or does not recruit well enough to get them back to the dance in 2014. This later point is what bothers me.
 
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BOP said:
Its sad to see our fans bragging about 20 wins. Winning exactly 20 games is not good and not acceptable. The way Martin is recruiting year 4 is going to be pitiful.
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What? He has one of the top players in the country coming in next season along with 2 really good prospects.

Also, where did anyone brag about 20 wins? No one here said that was acceptable.

Wtf.
 
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Look guys, bottom line is that the team is going to be absolutely loaded next year.

If Martin can't get to and make a run in the tourney, it will be hard to justify keeping him around.

You won't hear any argument from me or anyone else if he doesn't make it next year.
 
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BOP said:
Its sad to see our fans bragging about 20 wins. Winning exactly 20 games is not good and not acceptable. The way Martin is recruiting year 4 is going to be pitiful.
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Future is very painful. Wish we could hire Greg Marshall today ! Sad
 
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ranradVOL said:
What? He has one of the top players in the country coming in next season along with 2 really good prospects.

Also, where did anyone brag about 20 wins? No one here said that was acceptable.

Wtf.
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Actually throughout the thread people are acting as if winning exactly 20 games is a positive.

As far as recruiting goes, It has been abysmal. He has lucked into 1 guy who is even an SEC caliber starter in his first 2 recruiting classes.
 
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ranradVOL said:
Look guys, bottom line is that the team is going to be absolutely loaded next year.

If Martin can't get to and make a run in the tourney, it will be hard to justify keeping him around.

You won't hear any argument from me or anyone else if he doesn't make it next year.
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Whether he can win with a loaded team or not will only matter next year. He wont have another loaded team.
 
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BOP said:
Actually throughout the thread people are acting as if winning exactly 20 games is a positive.

As far as recruiting goes, It has been abysmal. He has lucked into 1 guy who is even an SEC caliber starter in his first 2 recruiting classes.
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Richardson, Armani Moore, Jarnell Stokes, and 3 really good recruits coming in say hello.

Lucked into two 5* players? Haha..what a joke.

How long did it take Pearl to luck into two 5* players. 3x's as long.
 
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BOP said:
Whether he can win with a loaded team or not will only matter next year. He wont have another loaded team.
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Because he's not in on any of the top '14 guys right?

You have no damn clue what you're talking about..stop embarrassing yourself.
 
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ranradVOL said:
Richardson, Armani Moore, Jarnell Stokes, and 3 really good recruits coming in say hello.

Lucked into two 5* players? Haha..what a joke.

How long did it take Pearl to luck into two 5* players. 3x's as long.
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The fact that you are listing Josh Richardson and Armani Moore as his 2nd and 3rd best recruits out of 2 recruiting classes says a lot.

Then you go into putting words in my mouth. He lucked into Jarnell Stokes. There is really no question about it. He may have gotten him anyway but the circumstances were very fortunate.

Pearl won and won immediately. Therefore I dont care what his recruits were ranked.
 
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ranradVOL said:
Because he's not in on any of the top '14 guys right?

You have no damn clue what you're talking about..stop embarrassing yourself.
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Wow. Hes "in" on them. Cool. He may get one and then 3 more guys who cant play at all. Thats how you build a championship team. 5 star or complete bust!!!
 
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