Getting man handled

#127
#127
1985Vols said:
what surprised me the most about this game:
1. We were manhandled on both lines of scrimmage. No excuse!
2. Our offensive play calling was HORRIBLE. It either changes or DeBord must go!
3. Bob Shoop may be a great D-Coord. Vs. traditional pro style offenses, but he didn't have a clue how to stop all of the mis-direction that App. St. Was running
4. Josh Dobbs looks like he has regressed and played more like a freshman than a Sr
5. A win is a win. However, at this point My prediction has changed from 10-2 to 7-5
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Dobbs has been and always will be a bad qb. I have argued with my friends for the past couple of years over this. He is totally incapable of making any kind of 'money' throw. He can't be counted on to extend drives when needed, and he can't throw the ball down the field. The throw to Malone last night was underthrown and Malone was just bigger and stronger and wrestled it away from the defender. He had his guy beat and once again Dobbs couldn't hit him in stride. Dormady should be the guy. Dobbs is no CEO qb. Smart in the classroom, dipstick on the football field. DeBord's play calling is atrocious as well. It's so vanilla and there is nothing fluid about the offense. Jones is the real idiot though, because he allows all of this to continue right under his nose...and has for years. He's not an SEC coach by any stretch of the imagination.
 
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Parys_Prince_of_Troy said:
As bad as a win can look. The defense got better as the game went on, one touchdown on a short field, and one on a blown coverage where Vereen peeled off and covered a RB on a wheel route. Our offense looked horrible. Any time we were behind the chains, besides Josh Malone's first catch, we sputtered and stalled. Their front 7 was beating us more often than not, and we didn't have the confidence to pass over them. Discouraging win, but a win, at least. I remember squeaking by Syracuse in an opener once upon a time...that's the best positive spin I can put on it, other than maybe that this team obviously needed to be brought down to earth sooner rather than later.
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Nice post and true. But Vereen player that exactly as designed I think. The QB and RB just made a perfect play. Corey covered about as well as a DE can be expected to. We all love Shoop's exotics blitzes. But that play is exactly what happens when exporting gets beaten. 100% credit to AppState O right there.
 
#129
#129
Its all about hying the players to hype up the fans and sell season tickets, not to mention Bristol. This part was successful. Now we must deal with reality.
 
#130
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Debord's offense looked like a deer caught in the headlights, not the best way to start a season:yuck:
 
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volmsbd said:
Dobbs has been and always will be a bad qb. I have argued with my friends for the past couple of years over this. He is totally incapable of making any kind of 'money' throw. He can't be counted on to extend drives when needed, and he can't throw the ball down the field. The throw to Malone last night was underthrown and Malone was just bigger and stronger and wrestled it away from the defender. He had his guy beat and once again Dobbs couldn't hit him in stride. Dormady should be the guy. Dobbs is no CEO qb. Smart in the classroom, dipstick on the football field. DeBord's play calling is atrocious as well. It's so vanilla and there is nothing fluid about the offense. Jones is the real idiot though, because he allows all of this to continue right under his nose...and has for years. He's not an SEC coach by any stretch of the imagination.
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Totally agree!
 
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#133
Berry29 said:
I cannot get over this post. Dude Thats the definition of coaching. NONE of those plays should have happened
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Jeezus, sometimes kids mishandle things. A pattern of these things is a different item. Hard to gauge on the first game of the season.

Pfft...self righteous arm chair coaches are the worst but I respect your zest for the VOLS.
 
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MaTaLa said:
"That's"
Jeezus, sometimes kids mishandle things. A pattern of these things is a different item. Hard to gauge on the first game of the season.

Pfft...self righteous arm chair coaches are the worst but I respect your zest for the VOLS.
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Totally agree. I was expecting so much from these kids. And thats not fair. SH#@ happens, But it was just one game.
 
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#137
Their first play from scrimmage scared me. It was the personal foul on their center. He had blocked our D-lineman down the field about 15yds and out of bounds, then drove him to the ground on the Appy bench.
 
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#138
My biggest concern was definitely getting whipped in the trenches, both sides of the ball. Zero push by the D and when they did get thru it was because of the misdirection and they were let through on back side. Offensive Line play was as expected, they only got "better" last yr because of Dobbs ability to scramble and avoid a sack. This scheme is weird to me, if we're gonna run the ball why does our line let the D come to them? Almost like pass blocking except when contact is made they try and push. Fire off the ball stay low make contact and push his ass in the dirt!
 
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WestGaVol said:
My biggest concern was definitely getting whipped in the trenches, both sides of the ball. Zero push by the D and when they did get thru it was because of the misdirection and they were let through on back side. Offensive Line play was as expected, they only got "better" last yr because of Dobbs ability to scramble and avoid a sack. This scheme is weird to me, if we're gonna run the ball why does our line let the D come to them? Almost like pass blocking except when contact is made they try and push. Fire off the ball stay low make contact and push his ass in the dirt!
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I agree if you ever watch Rich Rods offenses the oline explodes out every play like it's a run play and helps hide what they are doing
 
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1985Vols said:
what surprised me the most about this game:
1. We were manhandled on both lines of scrimmage. No excuse!
2. Our offensive play calling was HORRIBLE. It either changes or DeBord must go!
3. Bob Shoop may be a great D-Coord. Vs. traditional pro style offenses, but he didn't have a clue how to stop all of the mis-direction that App. St. Was running
4. Josh Dobbs looks like he has regressed and played more like a freshman than a Sr
5. A win is a win. However, at this point My prediction has changed from 10-2 to 7-5
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Great points. I'd add:
1. I heard before the game about the UT D-line size and speed. Either it's not there or the heart was missing last night. My guess is the latter. App won the trenches largely because our coaches preach that day in and day out - win the LOS, win the game. I'm encouraged for App's chances during the season if we can stay healthy.
2. Debord's calling Hurd up the middle on every first down with an O-line that was on its heels most of the night wasn't exactly brilliant. Debord will have to do better for UT to succeed long-term.
3. See #2 about controlling LOS. App was able to reach the edges with Deltron Hopkins on the reverse several times precisely because the D line was struggling to get around the edges and was zeroed in on Marcus Cox so much. It all goes back to the trenches. If we had a passing game at all, the game might have looked very different.
4. Dobbs ... hmmm ... is it that he's that bad or that he doesn't have enough time? Here we are back at the O line. Is it that Dobbs can't check of receivers or that he doesn't have time to check off receivers? It's probably best to answer that question earlier in the season than later.
5. Don't throw in the towel yet. Beat VT. That really is the only game that counts for UT right now.

We had a great time in K-town. Thanks to all of you who were gracious hosts as we wandered around campus taking in the sights. Neyland, as promised, was a one of a kind experience that I will long remember.

Good luck the rest of the season. Go Vols!
 
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AppFan82 said:
Great points. I'd add:
1. I heard before the game about the UT D-line size and speed. Either it's not there or the heart was missing last night. My guess is the latter. App won the trenches largely because our coaches preach that day in and day out - win the LOS, win the game. I'm encouraged for App's chances during the season if we can stay healthy.
2. Debord's calling Hurd up the middle on every first down with an O-line that was on its heels most of the night wasn't exactly brilliant. Debord will have to do better for UT to succeed long-term.
3. See #2 about controlling LOS. App was able to reach the edges with Deltron Hopkins on the reverse several times precisely because the D line was struggling to get around the edges and was zeroed in on Marcus Cox so much. It all goes back to the trenches. If we had a passing game at all, the game might have looked very different.
4. Dobbs ... hmmm ... is it that he's that bad or that he doesn't have enough time? Here we are back at the O line. Is it that Dobbs can't check of receivers or that he doesn't have time to check off receivers? It's probably best to answer that question earlier in the season than later.
5. Don't throw in the towel yet. Beat VT. That really is the only game that counts for UT right now.

We had a great time in K-town. Thanks to all of you who were gracious hosts as we wandered around campus taking in the sights. Neyland, as promised, was a one of a kind experience that I will long remember.

Good luck the rest of the season. Go Vols!
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Glad you enjoyed the Neyland experience. It is a great venue. App St. Has a very good team and I look forward to seeing you guys beat Miami in Boone later this season! Good luck to you all as well.
 
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