Gerrymandering in Virginia

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Shrimp&Grits&Vols said:
Don’t like gerrymandering? Ban it
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Difficult to ban subjective things

Shrimp&Grits&Vols said:
Do it today. GOP has the House, Senate, and White House
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No thanks
Shrimp&Grits&Vols said:
Democrats would HAPPILY support it
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Shrimp&Grits&Vols said:
If the GOP really wanted to, it’d pass in a heartbeat

There’s a reason they don’t
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Because it would provide a disproportionate amount of power to whoever was enforcing that law.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Pretty easy to set guardrails that would lessen the impact of any bias.

Districts have to be of relatively equal size according to population at the time of redistricting based on the last census.

Districts have to be made up of contiguous whole counties.
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Not whole. The People’s Republic of Fairfax, Va. is now in three districts. With the new map it looks like it’s split between four.
BeardedVol said:
Cities and towns that cross county boundaries are included with the county which encompasses the majority of the city or town.

Set the redistricting commission to be made up of 2 Republicans, 2 Democrats, and 2 independents.
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Orangeburst said:
red states are expected to pick up 8-10 seats after 2030 census, a dadgum potential 16-20 seat swing. Throw in the Dems losing 2 million registered voters in past few years, and no amount of gerrymandering going to help.
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Care to wager who will control the House next January?
 
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Virginia judge blocks redistricting referendum result that boosted Democrats’ election hopes​

What “void ab initio” means in this context​

When the judge said the referendum was void “ab initio” (Latin for “from the beginning”), he was making a very strong legal statement:

  • It means the law or action is treated as if it never legally existed at all.
  • Not just flawed or invalid going forward—but invalid from the moment it was created.
  • In practical terms, the court is saying the entire legislative process that produced the referendum was unconstitutional, so everything that flowed from it (including the vote itself) has no legal effect.
That’s exactly how the ruling was framed: the judge found the authorizing legislation violated constitutional and statutory requirements, so the amendment and election are treated as null from the outset. (Wikipedia)

This is stronger than saying “the election can’t be implemented” — it wipes out the legal foundation entirely.

Why the judge took that position​

Based on reporting and case summaries, the ruling rests on claims like:

  • The General Assembly acted outside the scope of its session
  • It allegedly failed to follow required procedures for constitutional amendments
  • The ballot language or process may have been misleading or unlawful
Because those defects go to how the amendment was created, not just how it’s applied, the judge concluded the whole thing is invalid from the start—not fixable after the fact. (Wikipedia)

Likelihood of being overturned on appeal​

There isn’t a single clear probability, but we can assess the situation realistically:

Factors favoring an overturn​

  • Virginia voters approved the amendment (even if narrowly), and appellate courts are often reluctant to nullify an election result unless the violation is clear and serious. (Wikipedia)
  • The Virginia Supreme Court has already allowed the referendum to proceed once, suggesting at least some skepticism of earlier challenges. (Wikipedia)
  • The Attorney General has already appealed and argues the ruling overrides the will of voters. (The Guardian)

Factors favoring the ruling being upheld​

  • The judge’s reasoning is procedural/constitutional, not political—appellate courts often defer to clear procedural violations.
  • If higher courts agree the legislature didn’t follow constitutionally required steps, that’s typically fatal to a constitutional amendment.
  • The fact that multiple lawsuits and rulings have questioned the process suggests non-frivolous legal issues.

Bottom line​

  • “Void ab initio” = legally treated as if the referendum and enabling law never existed at all.
  • As for appeal:
    • It’s genuinely uncertain and fairly balanced.
    • There are strong arguments on both sides, and the issue is likely headed for a definitive ruling by the state’s highest court.
If you want, I can break down the specific constitutional provisions the judge relied on—that’s where the real appellate fight will be decided.
 
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MontyPython said:
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Hmmm... how'd that work out last time for Southern Hillbillies.
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We got all the industry and guns now. The majority of the military comes from the south and midwest and that is where the military bases are. Are those boys going to take up arms against their kin? No they are going to take their guns and go home, just like last time.
The civilians own more of the legal firearms and probably most of the illegal ones. Bring it on.
 
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rikberry31 said:
We got all the industry and guns now. The majority of the military comes from the south and midwest and that is where the military bases are. Are those boys going to take up arms against their kin? No they are going to take their guns and go home, just like last time.
The civilians own more of the legal firearms and probably most of the illegal ones. Bring it on.
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Bring it on? WTF is wrong with you?
 
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Shrimp&Grits&Vols said:
Omg education in this country is down the tubes reading posts like these 🤣
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Prove it wrong. All you people have is calling people who disagree with your lunacy stupid or racists. I don't care anymore, call me what you want. Every ignorant farmer I know is got more on the ball that you. You people are really idiots.
 
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BeardedVol said:
160 million people cast votes in 2020.
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Trump filed 60 lawsuits challenging the results, and couldn't produce evidence of widespread fraud in any.

Both firms hired by Trump to "prove the election was stolen", found the opposite, that he just lost.

For someone who is supposedly a mathematician and physicist, you sure have no respect for the necessity of empirical data to justify Trump's erroneous claims.
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You didn't answer the question. Where did the votes go? Biden shattering all vote totals and expectations is just an outlier, right?
If the actual extent of the fraud were to come to light it would be humiliating for a lot of people. Why did Brian Kemp after saying the election was legit in Georgia
immediately turn around and push for major vote reform? Because it would have been very embarrassing to him and the state of Georgia if what happened in Fulton county came to light, that's why.
Here is NPR's take on the unprecedented election where one party won the top of the ticket and got creamed on the down ballot.

Despite winning the White House decisively, Democrats are asking what went wrong for their party in 2020 as they lost seats in the House and failed to meet expectations elsewhere.
After every presidential election, the losing party generally asks itself what it did wrong, what it could have done better. Now, this year is a little different because the winning party is also reflecting. The Democrats won the White House, but they saw disappointing losses down ballot. Here's NPR national political correspondent Mara Liasson.

MARA LIASSON, BYLINE: Democrats are trying to figure out what the voters were trying to tell them. Joe Biden won by 4 1/2 points, a 7-million vote margin and got 302 electoral votes, what Donald Trump once called a landslide. But Biden had no coattails, and that's unusual, says Democratic pollster Celinda Lake.

CELINDA LAKE: It's pretty unique that you don't pick up down ballot when you have such a resounding success at the top of the ticket.

LIASSON: That's the big mystery of this election - why the disparity between Biden's decisive win and Democrats' disappointing down ballot performance? The simplest explanation is that many voters split their tickets. They rejected Trump but didn't embrace the Democrats. Despite years of gridlock in Washington, voters still like the checks and balance of divided government, says Antjuan Seawright, a Democratic strategist in South Carolina.
The lefties said it themselves, this has happened before, huh.
 
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rikberry31 said:
You didn't answer the question. Where did the votes go? Biden shattering all vote totals and expectations is just an outlier, right?
If the actual extent of the fraud were to come to light it would be humiliating for a lot of people. Why did Brian Kemp after saying the election was legit in Georgia
immediately turn around and push for major vote reform? Because it would have been very embarrassing to him and the state of Georgia if what happened in Fulton county came to light, that's why.
Here is NPR's take on the unprecedented election where one party won the top of the ticket and got creamed on the down ballot.

Despite winning the White House decisively, Democrats are asking what went wrong for their party in 2020 as they lost seats in the House and failed to meet expectations elsewhere.
After every presidential election, the losing party generally asks itself what it did wrong, what it could have done better. Now, this year is a little different because the winning party is also reflecting. The Democrats won the White House, but they saw disappointing losses down ballot. Here's NPR national political correspondent Mara Liasson.

MARA LIASSON, BYLINE: Democrats are trying to figure out what the voters were trying to tell them. Joe Biden won by 4 1/2 points, a 7-million vote margin and got 302 electoral votes, what Donald Trump once called a landslide. But Biden had no coattails, and that's unusual, says Democratic pollster Celinda Lake.

CELINDA LAKE: It's pretty unique that you don't pick up down ballot when you have such a resounding success at the top of the ticket.

LIASSON: That's the big mystery of this election - why the disparity between Biden's decisive win and Democrats' disappointing down ballot performance? The simplest explanation is that many voters split their tickets. They rejected Trump but didn't embrace the Democrats. Despite years of gridlock in Washington, voters still like the checks and balance of divided government, says Antjuan Seawright, a Democratic strategist in South Carolina.
The lefties said it themselves, this has happened before, huh.
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Not as many people chose to vote in 2024, as they did in 2020; it's really that simple.

Feel free to regale the board with the evidence of massive voter fraud that neither Trump, his lawyers, nor his election auditors have been able to find though.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Not as many people chose to vote in 2024, as they did in 2020; it's really that simple.

Feel free to regale the board with the evidence of massive voter fraud that neither Trump, his lawyers, nor his election auditors have been able to find though.
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Unprecedented number of votes for one party in 2020. Unpresidented drop in voter turnout in 2024. Unprecedented poor down ballot performance for top of the ticket winner in 2020. Yeah, I am a numbers guy and the probability of all that happening in the same election is astronomical. They are all outliers, right?
 
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Jxn Vol said:
How pissed are you that SPLC was giving $ to MAGA?😂
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They are not giving money to MAGA, they are giving it to the enemy white supremist racists to gin up business. That is like Global Jewish Community giving money to the Nazis.
Just another example of lefty fraud and hypocrisy. From the lefties, crickets.
 
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rikberry31 said:
Unprecedented number of votes for one party in 2020. Unpresidented drop in voter turnout in 2024. Unprecedented poor down ballot performance for top of the ticket winner in 2020. Yeah, I am a numbers guy and the probability of all that happening in the same election is astronomical. They are all outliers, right?
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So tell us, which states saw fraudulent numbers of people voting?

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luthervol said:
^^^^^^maga^^^^^pretty much says it all^^^^^
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At least the right doesn't fund the KKK. Y'all can sit down and shut up after that one. SPLC takes over as the biggest lefty loon hoax yet. Well maybe not as big as the climate change hoax.
 
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