Gerrymandering in Virginia

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FortSanders said:
Considering Virginia just had a GOP Governor I find it incredible that people who often swing between Democrat and Republican have just voted to take away all their power to hold their Representatives to account. This has to be one of the greatest riggings of all time.

There is no way that a 10-1 majority can be created by a 51-48 electorate. Dems have overestimated the number of seats they can create.
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I guess a lot of people who wouldn't vote MAGA voted against the gerrymander. I would have if I was registered in Va.
 
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BeardedVol said:
So you'd be fine with it if it was permanent like Texas, NC, etc?
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I don't really have a problem with the democrats taking it to a new level. It's politics, that is is exactly what the Supreme Court said. But don't tell me that it is only to make things fair. They will learn just like New York and California.
 
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rikberry31 said:
I don't really have a problem with the democrats taking it to a new level. It's politics, that is is exactly what the Supreme Court said. But don't tell me that it is only to make things fair. They will learn just like New York and California.
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No, they'll never learn. The only thing they learn is how to walk in poop on the streets. This is all about power for the Neo Communist Party
 
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rikberry31 said:
I don't really have a problem with the democrats taking it to a new level. It's politics, that is is exactly what the Supreme Court said. But don't tell me that it is only to make things fair. They will learn just like New York and California.
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A new level like mid-decade redistricting at the behest of a sitting president?
 
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trout-vol said:
No, they'll never learn. The only thing they learn is how to walk in poop on the streets. This is all about power for the Neo Communist Party
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The sane will move and in Virgina, unlike New York and California, the hillbillies have guns and they know how to use them. Scamburger better stay in Alexandria.
 
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BeardedVol said:
A new level like mid-decade redistricting at the behest of a sitting president?
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Buddy we are a Representative Democracy. Texas and North Carolina are red states. Virginia is a swing state not 90% blue like they redrew it. I don't have a problem with the cheating, I say cheat back better. At least admit that is what it is and don't hand me this line that it is about fairness. Just be honest and spare me the 🐂 💩.
 
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FortSanders said:
The current round of redistricting shenanigans began, in fact, in deep blue New York State, when the Democrats, in 2023, threw out the maps prepared by the constitutionally mandated, independent redistricting commission and instead submitted maps which, they said, reflected New York’s overwhelming Democratic majority. The courts originally threw out those Democrat gerrymandered maps, but then the governor‘s office engineered the removal of the chief Judge and the appointment of a more compliant one. The NYS high court went on to approve the redistricted maps in 2024. You’ll note that rationale, that districts should reflect the state as a whole, not the local voting populations, is the same one being used by Republicans and Democrats in this current round. In short, the democrats started it.
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Riiiiiiiiighhhhhttttt.....that's exactly why Texas decided to undertake a mid-decade gerrymander, and not because Trump called Abbott and told him to get him more congessional seats.
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The lies you guys will tell yourselves to maintain your beliefs is impressive.
 
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rikberry31 said:
Buddy we are a Representative Democracy. Texas and North Carolina are red states. Virginia is a swing state not 90% blue like they redrew it. I don't have a problem with the cheating, I say cheat back better. At least admit that is what it is and don't hand me this line that it is about fairness. Just be honest and spare me the 🐂 💩.
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How does that change the fact that Texas undertook a mid-decade gerrymander at the behest of Trump?
 
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tim said:
It all dates back to a guy who said he has a pen
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Does it? Assuming you’re talking about Obama, I’m pretty sure that was in like year 6 of his presidency. Whatsoever on earth would possess him to say that I wonder? Lol
 
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BeardedVol said:
How does that change the fact that Texas undertook a mid-decade gerrymander at the behest of Trump?
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It doesn't. But just be honest that it is not about making things fair and a righteous cause. It is bare knuckle politics, that is all.
 
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rikberry31 said:
It doesn't. But just be honest that it is not about making things fair and a righteous cause. It is bare knuckle politics, that is all.
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So why are you so upset that Virginia decided to adopt "bare knuckle politica" in response?
 
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OHvol40 said:
Obama tried to “push one through”?
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They mean he nominated somebody while President. But since it was Obama, of it was “push one through” and not “the Republican controlled senate obstructed his nomination until the clock ran out.”
 
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BeardedVol said:
So why are you so upset that Virginia decided to adopt "bare knuckle politica" in response?
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I am not upset at all. They just voted in Mantovani's sister in a statewide election, I was not surprised that they did this. My Daddy always said, "The American people don't get what they want, they get what they deserve. Virginian is going to get what they deserve and they will regret it.
Just quit the posing as this is a righteous fight to save democracy. It is a blatant power grab and completely partisan. That is fine it is a bar fight.
 
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FortSanders said:
The current round of redistricting shenanigans began, in fact, in deep blue New York State, when the Democrats, in 2023, threw out the maps prepared by the constitutionally mandated, independent redistricting commission and instead submitted maps which, they said, reflected New York’s overwhelming Democratic majority. The courts originally threw out those Democrat gerrymandered maps, but then the governor‘s office engineered the removal of the chief Judge and the appointment of a more compliant one. The NYS high court went on to approve the redistricted maps in 2024. You’ll note that rationale, that districts should reflect the state as a whole, not the local voting populations, is the same one being used by Republicans and Democrats in this current round. In short, the democrats started it.
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Something the Republicans have been more than happy to push through without a vote from the people like California and Virginia. It was crickets when Texas and NC did it without a statewide vote. It was crickets when a sitting president singled out members of a state legislature that didn’t play along like Trump did in Indiana. It’s crickets when Trump demands Nebraska gerrymander to help his electoral chances. And it was crickets when the SCOTUS said they shouldn’t interfere in gerrymandering cases over a decade ago. It was crickets when Alabama and Ohio used illegal maps despite an order from the SCOTUS. In true Trump fashion, the bullying led to the predictable reaction and now he’s crying victim.
 
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And don't forget Dems have tried to ban gerrymandering several times, and guess who shot it down? This is just Democrats punching back, and the snowflake R's aren't taking it very well.
VolinMichigan said:
Something the Republicans have been more than happy to push through without a vote from the people like California and Virginia. It was crickets when Texas and NC did it without a statewide vote. It was crickets when a sitting president singled out members of a state legislature that didn’t play along like Trump did in Indiana. It’s crickets when Trump demands Nebraska gerrymander to help his electoral chances. And it was crickets when the SCOTUS said they shouldn’t interfere in gerrymandering cases over a decade ago. It was crickets when Alabama and Ohio used illegal maps despite an order from the SCOTUS. In true Trump fashion, the bullying led to the predictable reaction and now he’s crying victim.
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BeardedVol said:
How does that change the fact that Texas undertook a mid-decade gerrymander at the behest of Trump?
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Texas was ordered by the courts due to their first attempt after the census was deemed unacceptable. Abbott did take advantage of that situation.
It'll be interesting if the courts get involved in VA and with such short notice how that will be considered.
I won't be shocked if the USSC jumps right into the situation, and hopefully rules in such a way that states can't short term these situations which disenfranchises voters of both parties..... although these redistricting probably will result in more moderate candidates for both sides.
 
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Wireless1 said:
Texas was ordered by the courts due to their first attempt after the census was deemed unacceptable. Abbott did take advantage of that situation.
It'll be interesting if the courts get involved in VA and with such short notice how that will be considered.
I won't be shocked if the USSC jumps right into the situation, and hopefully rules in such a way that states can't short term these situations which disenfranchises voters of both parties..... although these redistricting probably will result in more moderate candidates for both sides.
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Courts did not throw out Texas' congessional map in 2025, and "force" Abbott to redistrict mid-decade.
 
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To be fair, the Dems in VA felt like they had a mandate because MAGA Rs did not properly fund and/or stayed at home for the 2025 election.....
 
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