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#126
#126
89 VOLS grad said:
This is an idiotic post. Kirby's team beat Saban's team when Bama had as much or more talent! Bobo is a very good OC. Bobo is better than Halzle. Yes, UGA definitely has more talent. But, let's not act like Kirby isn't an ELITE COACH! Richt wasn't short on talent when he coached UGA, totally different outcome!

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Mark Richt Recruiting Class Rankings 2001-2015

In his entire 15 year career as a head coach, CMR has never had a recruiting class ranked outside of the top 15. Of those 15 recruiting classes 12 of them were in the top 10. CMR Recruiting classes from 2001-2015 2001 Recruiting class ranked #10 by 247 Sports 2002 Recruiting class ranked #9...
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Yes, UGA is now in the top 5 every year in recruiting. But, being in the top 10 every year gives coaches the chance to win a NC as long as they coach the players up and some breaks go their way!
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I appreciate your passion, but calling my post "idiotic" is a bold move for someone swinging at the same goalpost. Let’s unpack your points and see how "idiotic" my take really is.
  1. Tone Check: Starting with "idiotic" isn’t exactly a winning strategy for constructive debate. If you want to be taken seriously, maybe ease up on the insults and bring some facts instead. Let’s see how my "idiotic" points hold up:
  2. Alabama’s Talent Edge in 2021: You claim Alabama had "as much or more talent" than Georgia in their National Championship clash. True, Alabama edged Georgia by one spot in the 2021 talent composite (No. 1 vs. No. 2). But let’s not gloss over the SEC Championship a few weeks earlier, where Alabama beat the brakes off Georgia 41-24 with that same "one-spot" edge. In the title game, Alabama was without star receivers Jameson Williams and John Metchie III (both top-30 nationally, combining for 281 yards in the SEC game). Injuries matter. Claiming talent alone wins games ignores context.
  3. Kirby vs. Saban: Kirby Smart’s 1-6 record against Nick Saban is telling. His lone win came in that 2021 title game, with Alabama hobbled. Each matchup saw Alabama with a slight talent edge (one spot in composite rankings). If Kirby is so "elite," why did he struggle to close that razor-thin gap?
  4. Mike Bobo’s performance: You call Bobo "very good." Really? His résumé begs to differ. Fired from Colorado State with a 50% win rate. Went 0-3 as interim at South Carolina (losing to unranked Missouri, Georgia, and Kentucky). Booted from Auburn after one year. Even with Georgia’s No. 2 talent composite last year, his offense limped to 51st nationally. Elite? Hardly.
  5. Bobo vs. Halzle: I didn’t bring up Halzle but since you did, let’s compare. Tennessee’s offense ranked 15th and 19th the last two years with talent composites of 17th and 16th. Bobo’s Georgia, mind you with no. 2 talent, ranked 51st. Halzle’s clearly outcoaching Bobo with less to work with.
  6. Georgia’s Recruiting Dominance: You say Georgia is top 5 in recruiting every year. It's worse than that. They’ve averaged No. 2 in talent composite for the past eight years. With that kind of firepower, an "elite" coach like Kirby should have more than two national titles to show for it - one from a hampered Alabama and one from a TCU team that ran out of house money. When was the last time Georgia pounded or, more telling to great coaching, out schemed a more talented team? It's never happened under Kirby.
  7. Squandering Talent: We agree that top-10 recruiting gives coaches a shot at a title with good coaching and some luck. So why, with no. 2 talent, did Kirby’s Georgia lose to No. 9 Notre Dame and No. 20 Ole Miss last year? For an "elite" coach, Kirby’s wasting an awful lot of potential.
So yes - until Kirby (a) beats a team more talented than his, (b) reduces the number of traffic violations and arrests of his current players, (c) gets his locker room under control - I'm not going to act like he is an elite coach. You can, if you want to.
 
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#127
#127
casual-observer said:
I appreciate your passion, but calling my post "idiotic" is a bold move for someone swinging at the same goalpost. Let’s unpack your points and see how "idiotic" my take really is.
  1. Tone Check: Starting with "idiotic" isn’t exactly a winning strategy for constructive debate. If you want to be taken seriously, maybe ease up on the insults and bring some facts instead. Let’s see how my "idiotic" points hold up:
  2. Alabama’s Talent Edge in 2021: You claim Alabama had "as much or more talent" than Georgia in their National Championship clash. True, Alabama edged Georgia by one spot in the 2021 talent composite (No. 1 vs. No. 2). But let’s not gloss over the SEC Championship a few weeks earlier, where Alabama beat the brakes off Georgia 41-24 with that same "one-spot" edge. In the title game, Alabama was without star receivers Jameson Williams and John Metchie III (both top-30 nationally, combining for 281 yards in the SEC game). Injuries matter. Claiming talent alone wins games ignores context.
  3. Kirby vs. Saban: Kirby Smart’s 1-6 record against Nick Saban is telling. His lone win came in that 2021 title game, with Alabama hobbled. Each matchup saw Alabama with a slight talent edge (one spot in composite rankings). If Kirby is so "elite," why did he struggle to close that razor-thin gap?
  4. Mike Bobo’s performance: You call Bobo "very good." Really? His résumé begs to differ. Fired from Colorado State with a 50% win rate. Went 0-3 as interim at South Carolina (losing to unranked Missouri, Georgia, and Kentucky). Booted from Auburn after one year. Even with Georgia’s No. 2 talent composite last year, his offense limped to 51st nationally. Elite? Hardly.
  5. Bobo vs. Halzle: I didn’t bring up Halzle but since you did, let’s compare. Tennessee’s offense ranked 15th and 19th the last two years with talent composites of 17th and 16th. Bobo’s Georgia, mind you with no. 2 talent, ranked 51st. Halzle’s clearly outcoaching Bobo with less to work with.
  6. Georgia’s Recruiting Dominance: You say Georgia is top 5 in recruiting every year. It's worse than that. They’ve averaged No. 2 in talent composite for the past eight years. With that kind of firepower, an "elite" coach like Kirby should have more than two national titles to show for it - one from a hampered Alabama and one from a TCU team that ran out of house money. When was the last time Georgia pounded or, more telling to great coaching, out schemed a more talented team? It's never happened under Kirby.
  7. Squandering Talent: We agree that top-10 recruiting gives coaches a shot at a title with good coaching and some luck. So why, with no. 2 talent, did Kirby’s Georgia lose to No. 9 Notre Dame and No. 20 Ole Miss last year? For an "elite" coach, Kirby’s wasting an awful lot of potential.
So yes - until Kirby (a) beats a team more talented than his, (b) reduces the number of traffic violations and arrests of his current players, (c) gets his locker room under control - I'm not going to act like he is an elite coach. You can, if you want to.
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I get the sentiment but Kirby has 2 Natty rings in 3 championship appearances + 3 SEC championship rings in 7 SEC championship appearances. If that doesn't qualify a coach as elite, then I am not sure what else does. Your argument basically has Saban as the only elite coach in the modern era. Nobody here is saying that Kirby is the GOAT, but he is certainly elite. He has taken a privileged program (instate talent and resources) and taken it to the top of college football. It wasn't a huge climb because Richt left him a turnkey operation, but there is skill and effort required to harness that into winning championships.
 
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#129
All Vol! said:
A touchdown. Maybe a little aging GA clout here, and we obviously don’t have a great recent history with them, but does a full 7 surprise anyone? Based on this young season thus far I was looking for more like 4.
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Not surprising..Under CJH we've played them better in Athens than at home. They've beaten the Brakes off us in Neyland.
 
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camp_steveo said:
How can you think they hold the Vols to only 24?

I ain't going to pick right now, but win, lose or draw, and the Vols score more than 30 Saturday.
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Gotta go off history until proven different. We've scored more than 20 pts once in 5 years.. We've scored 10 and 17 the last 2 at home. Until we prove otherwise, I'm saying we don't hit 20 again
 
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Nico ee-ah-MAH-LAY-ah-va said:
I get the sentiment but Kirby has 2 Natty rings in 3 championship appearances + 3 SEC championship rings in 7 SEC championship appearances. If that doesn't qualify a coach as elite, then I am not sure what else does. Your argument basically has Saban as the only elite coach in the modern era. Nobody here is saying that Kirby is the GOAT, but he is certainly elite. He has taken a privileged program (instate talent and resources) and taken it to the top of college football. It wasn't a huge climb because Richt left him a turnkey operation, but there is skill and effort required to harness that into winning championships.
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Kirby Smart is a great coach. People who say otherwise are crazy.

Although UGA is still finishing in top 5 every year, the recruiting gap isn't as big when you compare #10 class vs #4 class than it was just 5 years ago.
 
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#136
Stockton is a good QB. But, UGA will have to be more Bennett style than Beck style on Offense to maximise what they can get from him. Not sure Stockton has the same weapons around him to be what he is either. Or they just haven't stepped up yet.
 
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Something tells me Kirby will have somehow managed to convince his squad yet again that they are underdogs in this game. Nevermind that they have handily won and been heavily favored almost every year since 2017. I guess they just don't check their phones or watch anything? They are consistently in the top 10 if not top 5 every single year. You have to give it to him, that is some masterful mind tricking.
 
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Nico ee-ah-MAH-LAY-ah-va said:
I get the sentiment but Kirby has 2 Natty rings in 3 championship appearances + 3 SEC championship rings in 7 SEC championship appearances. If that doesn't qualify a coach as elite, then I am not sure what else does. Your argument basically has Saban as the only elite coach in the modern era. Nobody here is saying that Kirby is the GOAT, but he is certainly elite. He has taken a privileged program (instate talent and resources) and taken it to the top of college football. It wasn't a huge climb because Richt left him a turnkey operation, but there is skill and effort required to harness that into winning championships.
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IMO, Richt recruited better overall QB's than Smart has. Difference is Kirby fitted a few final pieces and took what Richt had built to the next level. Let's not forget what Richt inherited and what he left behind after his 14 years. He also had 2 SEC titlex to Smart's 3. The natty just eluded him. Richt qualifies as elite as well. He's second only to Smart the last 60 years. Smart has just been that good that he took a very strong program and made it better. I'd say his time with Saban was more than instrumental in how to execute as HC. You can bump on Dabo too, but he has clearly took Clemson to heights they've never seen and he came out of that coaching tree too. He's been relunctant to accept the portal, and he's lost a step because of it, but he still has them competing at a high level. I don't know who is behind Klubnik, but if he's better, Dabo needs to get over that love affair soon and move on.
 
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#139
LOS game. That's what it will be. Turnovers and can Tennessee run the ball. Someone needs to tell Banks they're going to throw to the TE's again like last year and the year before, the year before that. They've kill Tennessee with the short passing game over the years. They're going to line up and try to run right at Tennessee and do the Tom Brady checkdown shat like they always do. Covering the TE for a change might help.
 
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#140
OrangeBeachVol said:
Agee, if we can run it effectively, the key word, then Heuple will have a chance to control the game. Not sure if Joey slinging it all over the field is a good idea with GA's DB's. Hope that's wrong as I would love to put 40 pts on them.
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The problem against Georgia under Heupel is they have not had to play us with a light box. They can trust their dbs 1 on 1. Need Matthews, Staley, and Brazzell to get separation and force Georgia to lighten the box up.
 
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#141
RockyTop140 said:
The problem against Georgia under Heupel is they have not had to play us with a light box. They can trust their dbs 1 on 1. Need Matthews, Staley, and Brazzell to get separation and force Georgia to lighten the box up.
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Their DBs are not insane this year. Great players for sure, but beatable.

Strength of their defense is definitely the interior. Expect to see a lot of stunts and blitzes. They will really pressure Joey a lot and try to get him to trip up.

If our OL can succeed at pass pro, then it will be a fun ball game. Joey seems to be good when given a clean pocket, but his 2024 self could come up if he gets pressured a lot. Their DBs will look a lot better if Joey is making frantic throws.
 
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Nico ee-ah-MAH-LAY-ah-va said:
Their DBs are not insane this year. Great players for sure, but beatable.

Strength of their defense is definitely the interior. Expect to see a lot of stunts and blitzes. They will really pressure Joey a lot and try to get him to trip up.

If our OL can succeed at pass pro, then it will be a fun ball game. Joey seems to be good when given a clean pocket, but his 2024 self could come up if he gets pressured a lot. Their DBs will look a lot better if Joey is making frantic throws.
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I’m hopeful the OL has taken a step forward this year. I don’t envision this one being a blowout in either direction. JA hasn’t faced any pressure this year, but at App state he was running for his life.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Gotta go off history until proven different. We've scored more than 20 pts once in 5 years.. We've scored 10 and 17 the last 2 at home. Until we prove otherwise, I'm saying we don't hit 20 again
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I understand that, but I'm just looking at the glaring improvements over Nico and Milton. I could be wrong, but offense looks drastically improved.
 
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I am a little shocked that the line has moved so much. There must be a total lack of confidence in Stockton & Bobo by the betting public. UGA has a great defense overall so I expect it to be tight if our boys show up to play. They seem to be like us last year: run heavy, try to sneak in a few passes, rely on the defense.
 
#146
#146
jasonvol18 said:
Gotta go off history until proven different. We've scored more than 20 pts once in 5 years.. We've scored 10 and 17 the last 2 at home. Until we prove otherwise, I'm saying we don't hit 20 again
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I think we’ve beefed up our OL now to where we can play against defenses like UGA’s and not get steamrolled. That’s the hope at least.
 
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#150
I’m with ya on this. I think we may be better. The depth and program fits Heupel has had time to put together are really good. Roster in 2022 was still hurting from the McDonalds chaos. Saturday will obviously give us a pretty good idea of this team is like that b
 
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