Geno will Never be a better coach than Pat Summitt

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Eventually the rest of the pack will catch up with uconn and nd just like those two did with Tennessee. How'd they do it? Identifying talent with ball skills and size, then recruiting relentlessly. Some people seem to have gotten complacent lately at Tennessee. :twocents:
 
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armchair said:
I love PS--but Geno was and is a better coach. That's just a fact. PS made a lot of hay in the early years of women's basketball--and that doesn't take anything away from her ENORMOUS accomplishments and ENORMOUS contributions to the growth of women's basketball. Others always come along...If PS had started coaching the same year that Geno did--and I have to check to see how much later he started--we wouldn't have 8 titles. I noticed how well coached Ct. was very early on, before he had good players. If you know basketball it is easy to see which teams are well coached and which are not: well coached teams do not make a lot of the mistakes. It was/is the same with McGraw: For a long time she did not have much talent--but ND was competitive because it was well coached, and now ND gets talent. I recall the UT-Ct. championship game when Taurasi was a senior. Other than Taurasi, Ct. had a very young team. UT had Lawson and a good forward whose name I've forgottten, a veteran team. Geno beat us in the title game. Telling.

Geno coaches like PS AND is a much better offensive coach. This has been true from the start. I have thought for 15 years that, first PS & staff, and now Warlick & Staff, would recognize this--but they don't, as our offensive execution is still terrible. Do you see Ct. on offense? The players always know what they are doing. They are an excellent passing team while our passing has been somewhere between average and bad for 20 years.

I don't say all this because I like Ct. I don't like Ct. I have been complaining about our mediocre coaching for one simple reason: Because I didn't want to see happen what happened last night--and which I KNEW would happen: geno passes PS for the most titles. I didn't want it to happen--but you could see it coming because the two programs have been moving in opposite directions for years. The truth is, UT has been struggling--by our standards-- for a LONG time. PS coached too long and the law of diminishing returns/burnout kicked in, big-time. Anybody who thinks that someone coaches as well in years, say, 25-32 as they did in years, say, 5-15 knows nothing about coaching.

There was nothing to be done about it. PS was/is a legend, and she was going to coach as long as she wanted: She was the Joe Paterno of women's basketball--and Paterno coached WAY, WAY, too long. Penn. State was a national power during the first 20 years of Paterno career--and almost never better than mediocre the last 20 years of his reign. Sound familiar? UT has been better than mediocre--but not by much. We've been going through a long transition period and will continue to go through it until we get a first-rate coach and staff. I'm not really knocking Warlick--she spent almost her entire career (roughly 30 years!) as an assistant/friend of Pat. It is very hard to suddenly become a good head coach when you've been an assistant for that long--doesn't happen, and it is not happening for UT. We will need to get our act together if we want to be a power program again. Warlick has actually improved the recruiting, but that's not what I worry about.
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Looks like some of that skill and knowledge woulda rubbed off on CHW over the years. On the recruiting front auri-enema has an advantage of being in close proximity to the talent rich New York area. The answer to UT's problem is better talent evaluation ands relentless pursuit of these players. Work harder.
 
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It's pretty irrelevant who is the better coach as PS isn't coaching anymore. They came in at different times in the sport so it's a difficult comparison but both have achieved greatness. By far, Geno is the best active coach in the game...and that is a hard pill to swallow for big time LV fans like me! Let's move on and concentrate on the future and hope our current coaching staff and players can improve and start competing with the likes of ND and UCONN again. As always, Go LVs!
 
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WVU05UT09 said:
Everybody "knows" but doesn't want to talk about it. I'd say its fairly obvious if you ask me...

The pink elephant in the room when it comes to women's basketball recruiting.
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I think you are probably correct that the elephant was the issue. However, unless somebody with knowledge of exactly what happened - it's still speculation.

I look for UConn/UT to resume within the next couple of years. The ND/UConn rivalry just doesn't have the same feel. I did enjoy McGraw (the Philly girl) taking a page out of Auriemma's playbook by making some public comments guaranteed to make Geno/Muffet the story and taking a bit of heat off her players.
 
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As a Tennessee fan and a true believer in Pat Summit, I would rather not discuss this issue. Its the only way I can avoid typing a bunch of crap that I would rather not read or even think..
 
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brassie said:
Yes. Coach Summitt knows, Coach Auriemma knows, Coach Warlick probably knows and Maria Cornelius claims to know but no one seems to be willing to reveal it. The only thing clear is that it has to do with the recruiting of Maya Moore. All else is speculation.
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Pat dislikes cheaters.
 
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ChattyVolfan said:
It's pretty irrelevant who is the better coach as PS isn't coaching anymore. They came in at different times in the sport so it's a difficult comparison but both have achieved greatness. By far, Geno is the best active coach in the game...and that is a hard pill to swallow for big time LV fans like me! Let's move on and concentrate on the future and hope our current coaching staff and players can improve and start competing with the likes of ND and UCONN again. As always, Go LVs!
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Auri-enema seems to project a type A personality and comes of as an A-hole. I just can't get past that. :no:
 
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Those who say Geno is better than Pat are like those who say that Bear Bryant was better than Robert Neyland, although Bryant learned everything he knew about football from the General. ThatÂ’s like saying Luke Skywalker is better than Yoda.
 
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I have no trouble admitting that UConn is the best ever. Tenn had their day in the sun, but UConn has been better. Long live the queen, until we beat der ass next year!
 
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orangeluvr said:
Pat dislikes cheaters.
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And so do I, but if she had the courage to publicly accuse Auriemma, she should have had the courage to publicly state her reasons and her proof. By not doing so she hurt women's basketball and she lessened her own reputation - at least outside of the UT Nation.
 
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This will never happen, but lets say the program became desperate to win huge again, and offered Auriemma, that would be a major slap in the face to hire a man whom Pat couldnt stand. It would be a coup in the fact that Tennessee would be virtually unstoppable.

I know we wont get him, just food for thought that some people may put principle in hindsight just to win championships again.
Holly is not Pat, never will be. I dont think we will be better suited by her in the long run.
Then again I dont know who out there could be a suitable replacement for Pat because there will always be only ONE Pat Summitt.
 
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brassie said:
And so do I, but if she had the courage to publicly accuse Auriemma, she should have had the courage to publicly state her reasons and her proof. By not doing so she hurt women's basketball and she lessened her own reputation - at least outside of the UT Nation.
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As great as she may have been, Summitt committed multiple unforced errors in that whole debacle. The first was answering the questions in the manner she did at SEC media days while the mens program was under NCAA investigation in Knoxville. It made a lot of people wonder if she was referring to Pearl or UConn--which is why Hymas asked her for clarification.

At the point if I am her I blow that question off with a generality about the state of recruiting in the womens game blah blah blah. No harm no foul.

Instead she went all in and called out UConn. Pat Summitt prided herself on being more prepared for competition than anyone, but her preparation for the aftermath of that answer was sub-par at best. The answer just didn't make sense. So Maya Moore got a tour of ESPN? That's it really? It didn't make sense to anyone who follows the sport. Then we defaulted to this we won't talk about it. Which leads to one of three conclusions:

1. UConn didn't cheat which makes the whole episode a lie.
2. UConn does cheat beyond an ESPN tour including cash and work to parents of recruits. But is this it? Why would they be afraid to expose this? Not enough evidence? Then why target UConn and make the comment to begin with. Too prideful to apologize? Just doesn't add up.
3. This has nothing to do with ESPN, cash and jobs to parents. This has to do with the pink elephant in the room in womens basketball. But again, knowing you can't go there for multiple valid reasons why go there? This is the only thing that makes sense to me--but it doesn't because I thought Pat was smarter than this.
 
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armchair said:
I love PS--but Geno was and is a better coach. That's just a fact. PS made a lot of hay in the early years of women's basketball--and that doesn't take anything away from her ENORMOUS accomplishments and ENORMOUS contributions to the growth of women's basketball. Others always come along...If PS had started coaching the same year that Geno did--and I have to check to see how much later he started--we wouldn't have 8 titles. I noticed how well coached Ct. was very early on, before he had good players. If you know basketball it is easy to see which teams are well coached and which are not: well coached teams do not make a lot of the mistakes. It was/is the same with McGraw: For a long time she did not have much talent--but ND was competitive because it was well coached, and now ND gets talent. I recall the UT-Ct. championship game when Taurasi was a senior. Other than Taurasi, Ct. had a very young team. UT had Lawson and a good forward whose name I've forgottten, a veteran team. Geno beat us in the title game. Telling.

Geno coaches like PS AND is a much better offensive coach. This has been true from the start. I have thought for 15 years that, first PS & staff, and now Warlick & Staff, would recognize this--but they don't, as our offensive execution is still terrible. Do you see Ct. on offense? The players always know what they are doing. They are an excellent passing team while our passing has been somewhere between average and bad for 20 years.

I don't say all this because I like Ct. I don't like Ct. I have been complaining about our mediocre coaching for one simple reason: Because I didn't want to see happen what happened last night--and which I KNEW would happen: geno passes PS for the most titles. I didn't want it to happen--but you could see it coming because the two programs have been moving in opposite directions for years. The truth is, UT has been struggling--by our standards-- for a LONG time. PS coached too long and the law of diminishing returns/burnout kicked in, big-time. Anybody who thinks that someone coaches as well in years, say, 25-32 as they did in years, say, 5-15 knows nothing about coaching.

There was nothing to be done about it. PS was/is a legend, and she was going to coach as long as she wanted: She was the Joe Paterno of women's basketball--and Paterno coached WAY, WAY, too long. Penn. State was a national power during the first 20 years of Paterno career--and almost never better than mediocre the last 20 years of his reign. Sound familiar? UT has been better than mediocre--but not by much. We've been going through a long transition period and will continue to go through it until we get a first-rate coach and staff. I'm not really knocking Warlick--she spent almost her entire career (roughly 30 years!) as an assistant/friend of Pat. It is very hard to suddenly become a good head coach when you've been an assistant for that long--doesn't happen, and it is not happening for UT. We will need to get our act together if we want to be a power program again. Warlick has actually improved the recruiting, but that's not what I worry about.
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Now this is one hell of a great post.Remember back when CPS coach? Great yes,were the teams as good as there are now? no....When the two teams played thats what put womens basketball on the map and you all know it,I know the truth hurts,it is the way it is, so I won't say GENO is the God OF UCONN, IMO you will see 10 to tie and one more total 11 before he steps down if he does.
he also said at anytime any place any coach can watch the practice,hint hint
 
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WVU05UT09 said:
As great as she may have been, Summitt committed multiple unforced errors in that whole debacle. The first was answering the questions in the manner she did at SEC media days while the mens program was under NCAA investigation in Knoxville. It made a lot of people wonder if she was referring to Pearl or UConn--which is why Hymas asked her for clarification.

At the point if I am her I blow that question off with a generality about the state of recruiting in the womens game blah blah blah. No harm no foul.

Instead she went all in and called out UConn. Pat Summitt prided herself on being more prepared for competition than anyone, but her preparation for the aftermath of that answer was sub-par at best. The answer just didn't make sense. So Maya Moore got a tour of ESPN? That's it really? It didn't make sense to anyone who follows the sport. Then we defaulted to this we won't talk about it. Which leads to one of three conclusions:

1. UConn didn't cheat which makes the whole episode a lie.
2. UConn does cheat beyond an ESPN tour including cash and work to parents of recruits. But is this it? Why would they be afraid to expose this? Not enough evidence? Then why target UConn and make the comment to begin with. Too prideful to apologize? Just doesn't add up.
3. This has nothing to do with ESPN, cash and jobs to parents. This has to do with the pink elephant in the room in womens basketball. But again, knowing you can't go there for multiple valid reasons why go there? This is the only thing that makes sense to me--but it doesn't because I thought Pat was smarter than this.
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Why is being lesbian a "pink elephant?" Why is it so taboo? There are lesbians playing basketball, but, shhhhhhhhh, don't tell anybody, its a great big secret.

Grow up people. Who cares.

This is where Pat appears to have royally screwed up. Geno told Moore's parents that Pat runs a lesbian factory; they go in straight, come out gay. Ex. Chamique Holdsclaw.

Pat should've outted him big time! But, out of respect for some of her players, who were still closeted, she remained silent. She took the criticism to allow her players the dignity to handle their lives the way they each saw fit.

Not only that, she was protecting Geno's player, Maya Moore, and her parents by shielding them from the onslaught of homophobic criticism that was sure to come their way.

There are more details for sure, but that's a snap shot.

Whether you're offended by homosexuality or not, Pat was loyal to the girls she coached. Their personal love life was irrelevant. That's why she'll always be a better person than Geno.
 
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KingtUT said:
As a Tennessee fan and a true believer in Pat Summit, I would rather not discuss this issue. Its the only way I can avoid typing a bunch of crap that I would rather not read or even think..
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well now who started the tread? no one was holding your hand on the keyboard
 
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bamacheats said:
Apparently Husky fans are just as douchey as Geno.
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can YOU read????did you get past first grade ???

try this
The Great Manipulator. Geno Auriemma. UCONN Women's Basketball



"Congratulations to the UConn Huskies for winning the 2014 NCAA National Championship!" Summitt said in a statement emailed to The Associated Press. "My compliments also to coach Geno Auriemma for winning his ninth national title. He has accomplished this feat in record time."
 
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Geno is a better coach. Pat is the better pioneer. She will always have more influence on women's basketball than Geno. But what Geno is doing, he is doing when the sport is more competitive. To Pat's credit, she made it more competitive.
 
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