Gene Chizik as DC?

[OrangeUaVol2]

For those who want Shoop, you do know Northwestern ran all over his D.

 

[LordVOLdemort]

I would be ecstatic about this hire. He's a great defensive coordinator and recruiter.

 

[GLDunlap]

Chizik is a very good DC. Here are the reasons he could be our next DC. 1.The NCAA is about to lower the boom on UNC's football program. 2. That is going to restrict recruiting. 3. UNC is a state university and under NC policy they do not pay well. 4. Gives Chizik a little SEC payback and gets him a chance to get a HC job if the vols do as expected.

1. Been hearing this for years

2. See 1.

3. Chizik is making $235,000 per year more than Jancek was here and Chizik still has approximately 11 monthly checks of $209,000 coming from Auburn. If he leaves UNC it won't be for the money.

4. Chizik will be a head coach again with or without UT.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

For those who want Shoop, you do know Northwestern ran all over his D.

To be fair though, they actually did a pretty good job running against us as well. But we didn't let them keep it close enough to have a chance of sticking with the run.

PSU's defense was left out to dry all year because their offense couldn't stay on the field.

 

[sport111]

I understand people saying not to judge a coach on one game, but that Baylor game was one of the worst coaching performances of all time. Chizik simply refused to put more than 6 in the box. He finally put 8 in the box with 2 minutes to go and they stuffed Baylor. I guess he finally decided they had to run it . Lol. I just can't be excited about him.

 

[jps2194]

How am I denying his talent as an offensive coach?

I even went to the point of saying Chizik was a less talented defensive version of Kiffin.

If you don't think he landed his head coaching jobs based in part on his last name and in part due to some really stupid people making really stupid decisions at the time though, then that is on you.

I'm not sure how you can say you didn't deniy his talent as an offensive coach when you say his success is more about being in the right place at the right time. Yes, you were saying that about Chizik but comparing him to Kiffin so any logical reader would assume you are saying the same thing about Kiffin.

What does him landing head coaching jobs based on his name have anything to do with what we were discussing? Is this a game of change the topic completely to cover your tracks

I just think Chizik is a less talented, defensive version of Kiffin as a coach.

His success has been more about being in the right place at the right time than anything he has accomplished.

 

[thebjd]

Good Lord, Kiffin improved things in his time with the Vols?

Seriously?

Y'all are just on his jock because he has managed to ride a Heisman trophy winner, a future first round wide receiver, and a QB who rode the pine behind a first round pick to the title game.

Let's just forget what he did in Oakland, USC, and here in Knoxville.

How did Kiffin enter the DC discussion? I will play along though

Kiffin improved Crompton and the offense immensely in one season. The man can call an offensive game. Last year he had Blake Simms who is not showing out in the NFL and broke every Bama offensive record in the books. The game against Michigan State was a complete and systematic dismantling of their defense. I hate everything about Bama as evidenced by every other post I make on this board but Kiffin is an asset to Saban and the evil empire.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

How did Kiffin enter the DC discussion? I will play along though

Kiffin improved Crompton and the offense immensely in one season. The man can call an offensive game. Last year he had Blake Simms who is not showing out in the NFL and broke every Bama offensive record in the books. The game against Michigan State was a complete and systematic dismantling of their defense. I hate everything about Bama as evidenced by every other post I make on this board but Kiffin is an asset to Saban and the evil empire.

I said Chizik reminded me of Kiffin in terms of being in the right place at the right time in terms of his success and it has now turned into an argument of how great Kiffin is as a coordinator with a couple of morons on here.

You guys think he is a great offensive mind and I think he is a product of the talent he has been afforded at USC and currently Alabama.

He did a nice job with the Vols and Crompton in his one season here but to ignore the wealth of talent he is working with at Alabama or the talent he had to work with at USC and proclaim him some offensive mastermind is silly.

Chizik has been blessed with having some very talented teams as well at Texas and Auburn in the same vein as Kiffin.

You want an impressive offensive staff, look at what Briles did to Chizik running a high school level offense without a quarterback.

You want a glimpse into what Chizik has to offer the Vols, look at his 118th ranked rushing offense playing in a weak ACC conference this season.

I doubt Chizik is on the short list but, if he is, they should have saved the buyout and kept Jancek.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

I'm not sure how you can say you didn't deniy his talent as an offensive coach when you say his success is more about being in the right place at the right time. Yes, you were saying that about Chizik but comparing him to Kiffin so any logical reader would assume you are saying the same thing about Kiffin.

What does him landing head coaching jobs based on his name have anything to do with what we were discussing? Is this a game of change the topic completely to cover your tracks

I am not trying to cover anything up.

It's simply a matter of Kiffin having Heisman trophy winners at his disposal on offense as a coordinator making his job significantly easier.

He gets put into the position of having to acquire talent on his own and cultivate it, and you see what happened in his stops as a head coach.

You want to kneel down to the man that set the Vols back and left a stain on the program, be my guest.

I personally think he is overrated as a coordinator given the talent he has had to work with.

I think Chizik is getting exposed in the same way. That bowl game against a Baylor team with comparable talent levels was flat out embarrassing.

 

[jps2194]

I am not trying to cover anything up.

It's simply a matter of Kiffin having Heisman trophy winners at his disposal on offense as a coordinator making his job significantly easier.

He gets put into the position of having to acquire talent on his own and cultivate it, and you see what happened in his stops as a head coach.

You want to kneel down to the man that set the Vols back and left a stain on the program, be my guest.

I personally think he is overrated as a coordinator given the talent he has had to work with.

I think Chizik is getting exposed in the same way. That bowl game against a Baylor team with comparable talent levels was flat out embarrassing.

LOL and SMH. You keep introducing other items into the discussion and make wild accusations about me bowing down to him. Probably the most childish response I've seen in a while - congratulations.

Fact - you discredited his abilities as an OC and I didn't agree and said so. Had your response been what you said about having a Heisman and making it easier, that's a perfectly acceptable and good response. However, that's a rather obvious conclusion. Everybody's job is easier with good talent - duh.

However, your first response to me was about head coaching which had nothing to do with what I was questioning along with a jab. Your second response now had a valid basis but you insert another jab about me bowing down to him and him setting the Vols back again as a HC, which has nothing to do with the point we were discussing.

You simply lack the ability to have a constructive conversation as you resort to introducing other topics not part of the discussion and take jabs at those who disagree with you.

 

[RowdyZ]

This is going to open a huge can of worms, but I'm gonna say it anyway. I hate Kiffin to the core, but to deny his offensive capabilities as a coach is silly. His success as an OC is not just being in the right place at the right time.

I am not a Kiffin fan, He was a lousy head coach, Chizik was a bad head coach but a team with those two as OC and DC would be damn strong.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

LOL and SMH. You keep introducing other items into the discussion and make wild accusations about me bowing down to him. Probably the most childish response I've seen in a while - congratulations.

Fact - you discredited his abilities as an OC and I didn't agree and said so. Had your response been what you said about having a Heisman and making it easier, that's a perfectly acceptable and good response. However, that's a rather obvious conclusion. Everybody's job is easier with good talent - duh.

However, your first response to me was about head coaching which had nothing to do with what I was questioning along with a jab. Your second response now had a valid basis but you insert another jab about me bowing down to him and him setting the Vols back again as a HC, which has nothing to do with the point we were discussing.

You simply lack the ability to have a constructive conversation as you resort to introducing other topics not part of the discussion and take jabs at those who disagree with you.

We will agree to disagree Monte.

You win the internet and maintain your Vol Nation e cred yet another day.

Hats off to you. :hi:

I am over this pointless discussion regarding an overrated offensive coordinator for Alabama.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Funny... But on a serious note. I don't have time to sit on the computer and troll some people on VN. Just passing along a Wiki search I came upon. Its right there to see with your own eyes. How is that trolling?

It was edited within 6 hours of your post.