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#101
#101
No question UT should have a top 8 seed based on RPI and wins against top RPI teams. The LVs have higher quality wins than schools like Oklahoma. UT's spot should have been solidified by a win over #9 RPI LSU and a loss to #4 RPI UF shouldn't bump us.

If we're dropped, it will be because of the eye test. Getting run ruled in the semis in a very ugly loss and our pitching situation could bite us. It shouldn't, but ESPN is pushing SCAR as the Cinderella of the season, while keeping UT's shortcomings (swept by SCAR, collapse against UK, run ruled by UF) top of mind. This is the kind of Bermuda Triangle scenario the selection committee could buy into. In the end, I agree they'll go with the numbers and give UT the 8 seed, but I wouldn't bet on it.
 
#102
#102
LA Vol said:
No question UT should have a top 8 seed based on RPI and wins against top RPI teams. The LVs have higher quality wins than schools like Oklahoma. UT's spot should have been solidified by a win over #9 RPI LSU and a loss to #4 RPI UF shouldn't bump us.

If we're dropped, it will be because of the eye test. Getting run ruled in the semis in a very ugly loss and our pitching situation could bite us. It shouldn't, but ESPN is pushing SCAR as the Cinderella of the season, while keeping UT's shortcomings (swept by SCAR, collapse against UK, run ruled by UF) top of mind. This is the kind of Bermuda Triangle scenario the selection committee could buy into. In the end, I agree they'll go with the numbers and give UT the 8 seed, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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Agree ....good analysis.If anyone were half way objective in analyzing how our pitching ended the season,then an 8 seed is out the window.IMO it does not make a whit if they get an 8 seed because the pitching just may not permit them advancing past the Regionals and if they do make the Super Regional does anyone think they will advance to the World Series considering that they only have one pitcher who is effective part of the time...?
 
#105
#105
99gator said:
The other national seed should go to Georgia, IMO
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Don't see how RPI will support that. UGA was two spots back going into the SECT and they lost the first game to the #19 seed.

8 UT
9 LSU
10 UGA
11 SCAR
12 Arizona
 
#106
#106
LA Vol said:
Don't see how RPI will support that. UGA was two spots back going into the SECT and they lost the first game to the #19 seed.

8 UT
9 LSU
10 UGA
11 SCAR
12 Arizona
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I am not using the RPI as the basis for it.

The only reason Georgia should not, IMO, get that last national seed is due to how they are playing lately.

But, they didn’t lose an SEC series until inexplicably losing to Ole Miss. That includes a series win over Florida, Tennessee, etc.

And some of their wins weren’t just “wins”. They seal clubbed some of these teams in their wins. Beat Florida by 10 in one game.

I would take Georgia, but it’s pretty obvious they are so bunched together you could give a reason for a number of schools to get that national seed.

And i don’t think the committee looks at this, but I do. Tennessee played 7 games against South Carolina, Florida, and Georgia and were run ruled 4 times. Georgia did very well against the top of the league as, again, the series they lost was to a cellar dweller
 
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#107
#107
alexvol said:
Agree ....good analysis.If anyone were half way objective in analyzing how our pitching ended the season,then an 8 seed is out the window.IMO it does not make a whit if they get an 8 seed because the pitching just may not permit them advancing past the Regionals and if they do make the Super Regional does anyone think they will advance to the World Series considering that they only have one pitcher who is effective part of the time...?
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True, pitching could limit our advancement. We don't know if they'll be consistent or remain healthy. We basically have no bullpen, so we could have a good run or struggle early. The Regionals should be easier than the SEC gauntlet, though, so I think we're likely to advance-- and staying at home would be a huge advantage. So getting the 8 seed matters a lot, IMO.
 
#108
#108
99gator said:
The other national seed should go to Georgia, IMO
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Have a better argument than SC were 12 and 6 versus top 20 with two wins over Florida. They also lost to Mercer so I see them finishing below Tennessee in the seeds if both advance in the Regionals. What has really pumped Tennessee up is a 3 and 0 record versus the Pac 12 and 18 wins versus top 20 teams.
 
#112
#112
99gator said:
I am not using the RPI as the basis for it.

The only reason Georgia should not, IMO, get that last national seed is due to how they are playing lately.

But, they didn’t lose an SEC series until inexplicably losing to Ole Miss. That includes a series win over Florida, Tennessee, etc.

And some of their wins weren’t just “wins”. They seal clubbed some of these teams in their wins. Beat Florida by 10 in one game.

I would take Georgia, but it’s pretty obvious they are so bunched together you could give a reason for a number of schools to get that national seed.

And i don’t think the committee looks at this, but I do. Tennessee played 7 games against South Carolina, Florida, and Georgia and were run ruled 4 times.
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RPI and wins over RPI teams are the key criteria for the selection committee. And if you want to add subjective criteria, UGA scores worse on the late-season eye test than UT. LSU or SCAR could make a better case for a national seed than UGA, based on the eye test and late season surges. Eliminate bias, and wins over top RPI teams give it to UT.
 
#113
#113
You never know what a committee will do. If they base it on the entire season and rpi then Tennessee gets an 8 seed. They may decide to do something else we could definitely get lower than an 8 could put us ninth as couple other teams do have an argument.
Our seed will determine if we can advance to the World Series or not. I think if we get home field we have a terrific chance to advance to the World Series. If we play on the road were not going JMO.
We won't fare well if we make the World Series but getting there is a huge accomplishment so I'm hoping for an 8 seed to have that chance.
 
#114
#114
LA Vol said:
RPI and wins over RPI teams are the key criteria for the selection committee. And if you want to add subjective criteria, UGA scores worse on the late-season eye test than UT. LSU or SCAR could make a better case for a national seed than UGA, based on the eye test and late season surges. Eliminate bias, and wins over top RPI teams give it to UT.
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I mentioned that the negative I have for Georgia is what they have done late in the year.

But, i was using an objective argument. They finished #2 in the league (arguably the best league in the country) and they beat the best of the best teams in the league in weekend series.

Tennessee has more impressive non conference wins, but is 1-6 vs the top 3 teams in the league including getting run ruled by those teams 4 times.

Georgia is 4-2 vs florida and Tennessee (did not play SC) and won 3 of those by run rule.

So, that’s all objective.

The subjective part is, yes, if you asked me who would rather not have to play out of Tennessee, Georgia, and SC, it would take half a second to say Georgia. That the “eye test” tells me if each played to the best of their ability, Georgia is better. But, I also have objective information to support that subjective claim
 
#115
#115
99gator said:
I mentioned that the negative I have for Georgia is what they have done late in the year.

But, i was using an objective argument. They finished #2 in the league (arguably the best league in the country) and they beat the best of the best teams in the league in weekend series.

Tennessee has more impressive non conference wins, but is 1-6 vs the top 3 teams in the league including getting run ruled by those teams 4 times.

Georgia is 4-2 vs florida and Tennessee (did not play SC) and won 3 of those by run rule.

So, that’s all objective.

The subjective part is, yes, if you asked me who would rather not have to play out of Tennessee, Georgia, and SC, it would take half a second to say Georgia. That the “eye test” tells me if each played to the best of their ability, Georgia is better. But, I also have objective information to support that subjective claim
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Me thinks you're confusing objective vs subjective. Choosing random pieces of a total season to use as criteria to justify your position, while minimizing or ignoring the season as a whole, is subjective, not objective.

We have an RPI for a reason, to eliminate the subjective. The only piece of a total season you can reasonably choose to highlight that's not part of the RPI, I don't think, is late season record/momentum. Even that is subjective, but at least it's logical. Everything else worth considering is already figured into the RPI.
 
#116
#116
LA Vol said:
True, pitching could limit our advancement. We don't know if they'll be consistent or remain healthy. We basically have no bullpen, so we could have a good run or struggle early. The Regionals should be easier than the SEC gauntlet, though, so I think we're likely to advance-- and staying at home would be a huge advantage. So getting the 8 seed matters a lot, IMO.
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I believe it all comes down to the health and effectiveness of Moss. Whether home or away, if she's healthy I think we get to the WS. If she's not, we don't. I'm not worried about Arnold. If she doesn't have to carry the entire load she'll be fine.

Regardless, I don't have much hope for doing well in OKC. Getting there would be quite an accomplishment.
 
#117
#117
OrangenSC said:
Me thinks you're confusing objective vs subjective. Choosing random pieces of a total season to use as criteria to justify your position, while minimizing or ignoring the season as a whole, is subjective, not objective.

We have an RPI for a reason, to eliminate the subjective. The only piece of a total season you can reasonably choose to highlight that's not part of the RPI, I don't think, is late season record/momentum. Even that is subjective, but at least it's logical. Everything else worth considering is already figured into the RPI.
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One of the reasons I am ignoring the RPI (which is flawed, but I’ll leave it alone) here is that as of 5/6, one has an RPI of 8 and the other an RPI of 10.

We’re basically splitting hairs here.

But, these two play in the same league. Georgia was better in the league. These two played each other. Georgia won 2 of 3 on the road. They lost a game by a run. They won the others in games that were stopped prematurely by rule because they were so lopsided.

I don’t know how only the RPI is what you would use when (a) there’s other info and (b) the difference in their RPI is so slim
 
#120
#120
JMU is going to be hard for UT to beat and if they get thru there its a season ending trip to Athens
 
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#121
#121
If we do indeed play Georgia I give us a decent shot without their main pitcher would be a lot worst matchups. May wind up doing us a favor though they gave us the shaft.
 
#122
#122
So UGA and Bama move up for losing in the SEC quarterfinals while UT moves down for advancing to the semis. The committee just threw RPI out the window and picked subjectively. They clearly didn't think very highly of the LVs. Maybe it'll motivate the team, but I doubt it.
 
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#124
#124
LA Vol said:
So UGA and Bama move up for losing in the SEC quarterfinals while UT moves down for advancing to the semis. The committee just threw RPI out the window and picked subjectively. They clearly didn't think very highly of the LVs. Maybe it'll motivate the team, but I doubt it.
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Clearly the committee paid close attention to the Lady Vol pitching situation the last month of the season.IMO they are fortunate to get a 10 seed.
 
#125
#125
LA Vol said:
So UGA and Bama move up for losing in the SEC quarterfinals while UT moves down for advancing to the semis. The committee just threw RPI out the window and picked subjectively. They clearly didn't think very highly of the LVs. Maybe it'll motivate the team, but I doubt it.
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I don’t know of a sport that has a selection committee that looks solely at the RPI.

I hate Georgia and wish nothing but bad things for them, but I came to the same opinion as the committee.

They finished higher in league standings. They won the head to head, including 2 run rule games. They beat the league champ in a weekend series.

I think they got it right.
 
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