FYI some news on one of my Favorite VOLS

#76
#76
lovemyvols23 said:
thankyou, and again i've never said I didn't want foster to succeed, I simply said he has ball security issues, and everbody jumps on my back, as if i'm not entitled to my own opinion, and along the way i've been bashed and called names?
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I think you were dog piled on because you said he had ball security issues but his stats clearly dont reflect that. It was posted that over 99% of the time he didnt fumble. Thats not ball security issues.
 
#77
#77
lovemyvols23 said:
thankyou, and again i've never said i didn't want foster to succeed, i simply said he has ball security issues, and everbody jumps on my back, as if i'm not entitled to my own opinion, and along the way i've been bashed and called names?
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#78
#78
Chiutfan said:
I think you were dog piled on because you said he had ball security issues but his stats clearly dont reflect that. It was posted that over 99% of the time he didnt fumble. Thats not ball security issues.
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Correction, over 99%of the time it was a turnover. His percentage that wasn't a fumble was 98.3%. Pretty reliable if you ask me.
 
#79
#79
Chiutfan said:
I think you were dog piled on because you said he had ball security issues but his stats clearly dont reflect that. It was posted that over 99% of the time he didnt fumble. Thats not ball security issues.
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even he said his ball security needed work, his coach said it, his dad said it, his rivals scouting reports said, so I must not be all alone in thinking this
 
#81
#81
Vercingetorix said:
IMO Foster was a lightning rod because he was a sort of a proxy for the whole coaching debate. If you thought everything was still solid under the Fulmer regime, then it was a lot easier for you to sit there and blame the Penn State loss on one guy's fumble than it was to admit that your whole squad just got completely whipped by a mediocre Big 10 team. Same with the UCLA game -- either one bad fumble cost us the game, or the coaching staff had a second-half meltdown that choked away a game we should have won easily. Whichever way someone saw it probably depended on what he thought of the coaching staff going into the year.
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Yeah AMEN, piss poor coaching. Foster was and is a no nonsense guy if you believe his new coach in the NFL
 
#82
#82
lovemyvols23 said:
thankyou, and again i've never said I didn't want foster to succeed, I simply said he has ball security issues, and everbody jumps on my back, as if i'm not entitled to my own opinion, and along the way i've been bashed and called names?
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You didn't say that at all. You know how you say that he has ball security issues? You say something like, "Good luck to him at the next level, but I hope he gets his ball security issues worked out." If you'd said that, nobody would have said a thing to you. You don't say "Ya, wait til kubiak see's him fumble in the redzon in the closing moments ofa game, when there going in for a GW score........ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" and harp on about how he lost games singlehandedly. People are taking shots at you not for criticizing Foster's ball security, but for your whiny, griping, snarky attitude about it.

If you can't tell that that's how you're coming across in your posts, then I'm afraid you're not going to enjoy your stay at VN all that much.
 
#83
#83
Vercingetorix said:
You didn't say that at all. You know how you say that he has ball security issues? You say something like, "Good luck to him at the next level, but I hope he gets his ball security issues worked out." If you'd said that, nobody would have said a thing to you. You don't say "Ya, wait til kubiak see's him fumble in the redzon in the closing moments ofa game, when there going in for a GW score........ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" and harp on about how he lost games singlehandedly. People are taking shots at you not for criticizing Foster's ball security, but for your whiny, griping, snarky attitude about it.

If you can't tell that that's how you're coming across in your posts, then I'm afraid you're not going to enjoy your stay at VN all that much.
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#84
#84
joevol24 said:
Correction, over 99%of the time it was a turnover. His percentage that wasn't a fumble was 98.3%. Pretty reliable if you ask me.
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Yeah, if you ran the ball 50 times two games in a row and only put the ball on the ground twice -- and only lost one of them -- I think you'd take that every time. Part of what happened to Foster was just dumb blind bad luck in the timing of his mistakes.
 
#85
#85
Vercingetorix said:
You didn't say that at all. You know how you say that he has ball security issues? You say something like, "Good luck to him at the next level, but I hope he gets his ball security issues worked out." If you'd said that, nobody would have said a thing to you. You don't say "Ya, wait til kubiak see's him fumble in the redzon in the closing moments ofa game, when there going in for a GW score........ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" and harp on about how he lost games singlehandedly. People are taking shots at you not for criticizing Foster's ball security, but for your whiny, griping, snarky attitude about it.

If you can't tell that that's how you're coming across in your posts, then I'm afraid you're not going to enjoy your stay at VN all that much.
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I'm entitled to my opinion, you can't really tell me what I should've said because that wouldn't be me speaking my mind on a public forum, and as far as me enjoying my stay, I thought that in a duscussin forum that people tend to disagree quite frequantly, so it doesn't really bother me, I have no hard feelings, just wanted to speak my mind, which I did, and will continue to do, and i'm sure this wont be the last time I have a disagreement, but I also know that I will agree with most of you most of the time.....like when were singing rocky top all night long after we beat florida!
 
#86
#86
So a summary of the last 80 posts would be:

23 makes a snide / negative comment about a former Vol. Other people respond with snide / negative comments of their own, and 23 is upset.

As a casual observer, I've gotta say that you really ought to let it die, 23. The more you respond in effort to rationalize everything, the worse you look and the more you bring it to everyone's attention. One of the best lessons you could learn where message boards go is this: Out of sight, out of mind. If you want people to get off your case, you just stop fueling the thread and bow out. The thread dies off, and you save a little face.

But to each his own.
 
#88
#88
AirGibson said:
So a summary of the last 80 posts would be:

23 makes a snide / negative comment about a former Vol. Other people respond with snide / negative comments of their own, and 23 is upset.

As a casual observer, I've gotta say that you really ought to let it die, 23. The more you respond in effort to rationalize everything, the worse you look and the more you bring it to everyone's attention. One of the best lessons you could learn where message boards go is this: Out of sight, out of mind. If you want people to get off your case, you just stop fueling the thread and bow out. The thread dies off, and you save a little face.

But to each his own.
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I like the conversation, and i'm not just going to quit arguing my point, and don't expect others to quit either.
 
#90
#90
fostermom said:
That was his freshman year. He was going into score and fumbled while reaching for the goal line.
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Go figure. We're harping on a Fr reaching for the goal in a 16-15 game, trying to make a play, in a game where he accounted for 148 of the 271 yards gained and scored the teams only TD.

Yeah, let's blame that guy for that loss.
 
#91
#91
joevol24 said:
Points are typically better argued with facts and substance. Find some and people might listen.
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seams as if plenty of people are listening, considering this convo didn't involve you, but yet here you are, and also 11 fumbles is probably the most by a UT running back in his career, granted he lost 4, but don't think he deserves a smiley face for that
 
#92
#92
lovemyvols23 said:
I like the conversation, and i'm not just going to quit arguing my point, and don't expect others to quit either.
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I guess what I was trying to tell you was there's nothing for you to gain here.

By now you have to realize that you're not going to convince anyone of any "point" you have, and you're only going to continue to be made to look even worse by the community. In other words, there is no gain for you here. Only loss. So why continue to bump the thread that is only resulting in more ridicule?

But some people love to self destruct, so who am I to stop them?
 
#93
#93
lovemyvols23 said:
^ I don't really need to figure out, I know he lost 2 games single handedly, PSU bowl game and the bama game.....
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Actually watched the bama 05 game last night and I thought it was foster that fumbled the ball through the end zone but it was the fullback anderson. If someone else already pointed that out, sorry, just now reading through the thread.
 
#94
#94
lovemyvols23 said:
seams as if plenty of people are listening, considering this convo didn't involve you, but yet here you are, and also 11 fumbles is probably the most by a UT running back in his career, granted he lost 4, but don't think he deserves a smiley face for that
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so by your facts he averaged 1 lost fumble a year. What were you expecting from him? He was a mid-level back when recruited and ended his career as one of the leading rushers in UT history. It's not like they took AF thinking he was another Lewis or Henry. He did benefit greatly from keeping his head while all those around him were losing theirs but he was still a good back who is trying to make a living playing in the NFL.

and it's a message board, conversations involve all members
 
#98
#98
lovemyvols23 said:
so like I said, does he deserve a smiley face for fumbling 11 times?
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what's the hangup on 7 fumbles that resulted in nothing more than UT getting 1 more down? You claim his red zone fumbles cost us many games and we're asking how. The max number of games his fumbles could have possibly cost us was 4. Heck, you even blame fumbles he had no part of on AF.

and I'm not sure what your fascination with smiley faces comes from. You may get them at your job but I'm pretty sure they aren't handed out at UT or in the NFL
 
#99
#99
utvolpj said:
what's the hangup on 7 fumbles that resulted in nothing more than UT getting 1 more down? You claim his red zone fumbles cost us many games and we're asking how. The max number of games his fumbles could have possibly cost us was 4. Heck, you even blame fumbles he had no part of on AF.

and I'm not sure what your fascination with smiley faces comes from. You may get them at your job but I'm pretty sure they aren't handed out at UT or in the NFL
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so he single handedly could've costed us 4 games max? wow thanks againg for helping me prove my point.:):):):):):):):)
 
#100
#100
lovemyvols23 said:
so he single handedly could've costed us 4 games max? wow thanks againg for helping me prove my point.:):):):):):):):)
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could have is different than did but I guess that's lost on you. You really have proved nothing (well, actually you kinda did prove one thing quickly...)
 
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