FYI, it aint easy!

[YorkVol]

#10 Florida (the SEC east champs) wins 9-7 with a late FG against Vandy at home. Does their coach and staff suck now?

#19 Texas A&M, playing at home, loses to an unranked Auburn by 16 pts. Does their coaching staff suck now?

#18 Ole Miss, playing at home, (the team that beat the mighty Alabama), loses to little ole Arkansas. Now Hugh Freeze isnt a good coach?

#7 Michigan St, playing at home, loses to an unranked and pathetic Nebraska team. All the sudden I guess their staff isnt any good?

#13 Memphis loses by 25 pts to an unranked Navy? Wow, after that, im sure the Memphis coach is going to have a tough time finding a better job. :loco:

#21 Northwestern only wins by 2 pts over an unranked Penn St team?

Bottom line is, it was ugly as sin but we got a W. Butch made mistakes, the players made mistakes, and we still got a W!! It aint easy to get those W's. I will take it.

Yes? Yes!

 

[peerless98]

Oh, so there are many examples of non-ranked teams winning close games to bad teams. Your point makes total sense now.

It makes as much if not more sense than yours!

The fact that the OP's original example had ranked teams goes to show that even great teams sometimes struggle against bad teams.

Thanks for making my point even stronger!

 

[NMVol]

Lot's of folks on the board seem to have football confused with figure skating. All they got to give is style points. That ain't what the game is about.

 

[DC Vol]

The composition of the win wouldn't bother me as much if it was the exact same scenario we've been in with 3 previous losses this year.

Exact same. Team gets up early and loses focus. We disjointly finish the game and win.

Offense can't put a consistent drive together to save it's life and the D gets gassed. The environmental factors waylaying is don't affect our opponent for some reason.

It's all the players and even the fans fault. Definitely not the only group being paid millions.

 

[KingtUT]

The composition of the win wouldn't bother me as much if it was the exact same scenario we've been in with 3 previous losses this year.

Exact same. Team gets up early and loses focus. We disjointly finish the game and win.

Offense can't put a consistent drive together to save it's life and the D gets gassed. The environmental factors waylaying is don't affect our opponent for some reason.

It's all the players and even the fans fault. Definitely not the only group being paid millions.

Thats the point, this time we found a way to win instead of lose.

 

[DC Vol]

Thats the point, this time we found a way to win instead of lose.

We fell forward into it. A sack or a pick is one thing. The USC player loses focus and fumbles. Good heads up

TBH that is more on USC than us. Our D allowed him inside the 20 late in the game with more than enough time for a couple shots in the end zone for a win or at least a FG.

We got lucky. Very lucky. We won despite a lack of sideline adjustments and in spite of coaching.

I honestly don't see us winning in OT.

 

[photovol]

Will Butch Jones ever learn from his many mistakes or will he continue with his hard headed ways, your guess?

 

[KingtUT]

We fell forward into it. A sack or a pick is one thing. The USC player loses focus and fumbles. Good heads up

TBH that is more on USC than us. Our D allowed him inside the 20 late in the game with more than enough time for a couple shots in the end zone for a win or at least a FG.

We got lucky. Very lucky. We won despite a lack of sideline adjustments and in spite of coaching.

I honestly don't see us winning in OT.

Did we get lucky they didnt call the Sutton play a fumble?
Did we get lucky our 5* WR dropped the best TD pass Dobbs has thrown all year?
Did we get lucky at the end of the game when the guy fumbled or did we force him to fumble?
Did we get lucky and just have several players around the ball that were able to recover it?

You might as well throw in the fact that we got lucky Spurrier quit. Im sure you're thinking it. lol

 

[UTRavens]

No coach is perfect! The good coaches learn from previous mistakes and don't make the same mistakes again. Butch has not learned or refuses to change no matter the outcome of the game. That is why so many fans (myself included) are not confident in CBJ. I'm excited for the win,but from a coaching late in the game I was expecting a Oklahoma repeat.

So great coaches learn from their mistakes by never, ever playing down to an opponent or blowing a lead for the rest of their careers?

 

[Carl Pickens]

#10 Florida, playing at home, (the SEC east champs) wins 9-7 with a late FG against Vandy. Does their coaching staff suck now?

#19 Texas A&M, playing at home, loses to an unranked Auburn by 16 pts. Does their coaching staff suck now?

#18 Ole Miss, playing at home, (the team that beat the mighty Alabama), loses to little ole Arkansas. Now Hugh Freeze isnt a good coach?

#7 Michigan St, playing at home, loses to an unranked and pathetic Nebraska team. All the sudden I guess their staff isnt any good?

#13 Memphis loses by 25 pts to an unranked Navy? Wow, after that, im sure the Memphis coach is going to have a tough time finding a better job. :loco:

#21 Northwestern only wins by 2 pts over an unranked Penn St team?


Bottom line is, it was ugly as sin but we got a Win. Butch made mistakes, the players made mistakes, and we still got a W!! It aint easy to get those W's. I'll take it.

All those coaches should be fired

 

[Volstylexx]

Oh, so there are many examples of non-ranked teams winning close games to bad teams. Your point makes total sense now.

GA was ranked when we took them down a notch. Our win over them changed their season drastically. Alabama knocked them down a bit and then we crushed their spirits- coupled with the loss of Chubbs. If they had beat us, I guarantee you their season ends different.

SC had nothing to lose in last night's game.. NOTHING. They played like a team with reckless abandon with an interim coach fighting to get the job. No coach goes for it on 4th and 6 down 7 in the third. You kick the field goal, unless... you have nothing to lose. We've beat them on the final play of the game the last two seasons - they had revenge on their mind. They would have loved to play spoiler to our season.

That same SC team is the only loss currently on NC's 8-1 season, and that same SC team took a ranked TX AM team to the final play at TX AM just a week ago. They're not that bad of a team, so quit acting like it's so horrible we barely beat them. It won't surprise me at all if SC beats FL next week.

Never seen so many people cry over a Vol win before. We should have our 98 Championship stripped, or maybe we should just give it back considering we had a few miracle wins that season. We don't deserve the championship if we didn't win each game by a large enough margin. :thud:

 

[Iam4utalways]

Will Butch Jones ever learn from his many mistakes or will he continue with his hard headed ways, your guess?

He will still call a time out when we need one.

He will still run the ball to keep the clock running and punt on 4th down and trust our defense.

He will still decline penalties bases on field position and down and distance.


I think he will follow the chart on going for 2.

I think he will keep getting top recruits.

Go Vols!

 

[Wylo]

No coach is perfect! The good coaches learn from previous mistakes and don't make the same mistakes again. Butch has not learned or refuses to change no matter the outcome of the game. That is why so many fans (myself included) are not confident in CBJ. I'm excited for the win,but from a coaching late in the game I was expecting a Oklahoma repeat.

This. It isn't about hating Butch just to hate him. He's in over his head. He can't make adjustments. He helps the other team with timeouts. His offense is predicated on the hurry up and that burns his defense up. He is snapping at reporters that dare question his big east co-co-co champion staff.


You guys are blinded by just how bad Dooley was. I understand. Butch is better. Clearly better in recruiting. But on gameday there isn't that much difference.

 

[Wylo]

He will still call a time out when we need one.

He will still run the ball to keep the clock running and punt on 4th down and trust our defense.

He will still decline penalties bases on field position and down and distance.


I think he will follow the chart on going for 2.

I think he will keep getting top recruits.

Go Vols!

He won't be here much longer if he follows the only incorrect chart in America. Same for donating timeouts to other teams.

 

[ValleyAlVol]

We fell forward into it. A sack or a pick is one thing. The USC player loses focus and fumbles. Good heads up

TBH that is more on USC than us. Our D allowed him inside the 20 late in the game with more than enough time for a couple shots in the end zone for a win or at least a FG.

We got lucky. Very lucky. We won despite a lack of sideline adjustments and in spite of coaching.

I honestly don't see us winning in OT.

He didn't just "lose focus and fumble," the ball got punched out by Foreman. So that was very much on our D, IMHO.

 

[KingtUT]

This. It isn't about hating Butch just to hate him. He's in over his head. He can't make adjustments. He helps the other team with timeouts. His offense is predicated on the hurry up and that burns his defense up. He is snapping at reporters that dare question his big east co-co-co champion staff.


You guys are blinded by just how bad Dooley was. I understand. Butch is better. Clearly better in recruiting. But on gameday there isn't that much difference.

Nobody's blinded. There aint a lot of people on Volnation that wont admit Butch needs to improve but he's doing enough things right to maintain most peoples support. Thats where I stand, I like him as a person, as the representative for UT football, and hes as good a recruiter as there is. I hope he eventually learns from his mistakes, most people do. Even with his "mistakes", weve been a play or two away from winning a couple more games, surely you wont deny that the players have had a chance to make plays to win and have just failed to do so. The roster is going to continue to improve so the margin for error will also grow. I like his chances.

 

[Iam4utalways]

He won't be here much longer if he follows the only incorrect chart in America. Same for donating timeouts to other teams.

He went against the chart, during the Florida game on going for two. He said the defense was playing well and so he kicked the extra point.

He may not be here much longer anyways, but while he is here and on a winning streak, why be so negative?

It's easy to be positive, just as easy as it would be to be negative. We all got our problems, but after a win, in my opinion its not the time to be tearing down, but the time to be pushing foward, and enjoy a win.

Trust me there will be more loses, I just hope that they are a long long time away. Hold you poison until then.

Go Vols!

 

[BigOrangeTailgate]

After the Bama game I read many posts about how it didn't matter how we played and how well we competed because the only thing that matters is wins and losses and we lost...end of story. Now I see the same posters minimizing a win and complaining about how we played. Seems strange to say the least.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

But Gruden hasn't coached in like 8 years

Doesnt matter. He won a SB against a team that he knew their entire offense with a team built by Dungy. He has never coached a down in college but Gruden would be 10x better than Saban, Osbourne, Meyer or any other CFB in the past 50 years easily.

If Gruden came here, we would be automatic locks for the #1 recruiting class and football playoffs every year. His offense would change the landscape of CFB and usher in a run of domination unlike anything CFB has ever seen.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

He will still call a time out when we need one.

He will still run the ball to keep the clock running and punt on 4th down and trust our defense.

He will still decline penalties bases on field position and down and distance.


I think he will follow the chart on going for 2.

I think he will keep getting top recruits.

Go Vols!

So what?

 

[bellevue]

#10 Florida, playing at home, (the SEC east champs) wins 9-7 with a late FG against Vandy. Does their coaching staff suck now?

#19 Texas A&M, playing at home, loses to an unranked Auburn by 16 pts. Does their coaching staff suck now?

#18 Ole Miss, playing at home, (the team that beat the mighty Alabama), loses to little ole Arkansas. Now Hugh Freeze isnt a good coach?

#7 Michigan St, playing at home, loses to an unranked and pathetic Nebraska team. All the sudden I guess their staff isnt any good?

#13 Memphis loses by 25 pts to an unranked Navy? Wow, after that, im sure the Memphis coach is going to have a tough time finding a better job. :loco:

#21 Northwestern only wins by 2 pts over an unranked Penn St team?


Bottom line is, it was ugly as sin but we got a Win. Butch made mistakes, the players made mistakes, and we still got a W!! It aint easy to get those W's. I'll take it.

Yep, and when teams consistently can't get the wins and barely get wins against mediocre teams they aren't considered good teams with good coaching staffs.

 

[VolnJC]

I was listening to Tim Irwin's and Hyams show this morning and if I didn't know better I would have thought we lost yesterday from the idiots calling in and bashing the team and coaches

 

[Remy]

A certain group on here think think the only coach that doesn't suck is Gruden. All UT coaches will suck unless and until Gruden is hired.

Gruden has not been a winner anywhere except Tampa Bay and he did it with Tony Dungy's team one year. He's not the answer some people insist he is either in the NCAA OR the NFL.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Yep, and when teams consistently can't get the wins and barely get wins against mediocre teams they aren't considered good teams with good coaching staffs.

So to sum you up: you dont like Butch Jones right?

 

[KingtUT]

So to sum you up: you dont like Butch Jones right?

I read his post and I was like...Earth to bellevue!