Future of College Football

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J C Higgins said:
I think it's possible there will be Congressional action to disallow or at least put limitations on this movement. I say that for two reasons:

1. Title IX may come into play

2. There are far more state universities without the kind of backing the "rich" schools can help provide either directly or indirectly than the others. That would give the "no-haves" the advantage in passing legislation. And this won't be a political issue in the conventional sense. It would be the "haves"vs the "have nots"......and there a lot more of the latter.
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Seems like the most reasonable answer would be to revert to the concept that amateur means unpaid.
 
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AM64 said:
Seems like the most reasonable answer would be to revert to the concept that amateur means unpaid.
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Justice Kavanaugh sees it as almost.... if not illegal collusion by the schools to have a lucrative business and not pay the workers.

"It does seem … schools are conspiring with competitors—agreeing with competitors, let’s say that—to pay no salaries for the workers who are making the school billions of dollars on the theory that consumers want the schools to pay their workers nothing..." is from his opinion.

Whether you want the workers (athletes) to remain unpaid or not, it's not legal in America to run a business and not pay your workforce simply because "that's the college tradition."
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Who cares? College football already kind of sucks. It’s getting worse by the year. This stuff will only exacerbate the problem. Paying players and getting unionized will only make things much worse. The NFL has sucked for years and I had hoped college football would remain. Sadly it’s starting to suck as well.
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Sad but true.:(
 
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Most fans of a team (I mean, a school) will continue being fans of the program as long as the athlete wears the UT gear, runs thru the T, play on campus, have UT cheerleaders and band and tailgating. Fans will come to think of the NIL and the transfer portal etc. as part of the process just like giving out scholarships, room, board, an allowance, special treatment, etc..
Heck, what else are we going to talk about or watch on Saturdays, golf???
 
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The Golddiggers are the winners here with NIL's publicized like Saban did with Bryce, for future recruiting advantage. The girls flocking to certain players will resemble an NBA team coming to their Hotel after the game. Just hope it doesn't have the Travis Henry effect in college.
 
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OneVolNation said:
Here's a relevant quote I thought you might appreciate. “No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.” - H.L. Mencken, Chicago Daily Tribune, Sept. 19, 1926.
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This out of date statement doesn't apply to the cost of WWII related to Hitler's underestimating the intelligence and will of the inferior (he called them, the mongrel races), among other things, the financial cost to both his Aryans (Germans) and his victims. History shows also that not just Europeans, but other elitist exploitive people, made huge fortunes off of people they considered inferior and underestimated their intelligence. The French with the Vietnamese, The Brits, Americans , and Japanese with the Koreans, the various European participants in exploiting African diamond, land, and gold resources citing their own intelligence, religious, and so-called genetic superiority. So too regarding the land and mineral resource grab taken from Native Americans. Who lost massive rights to oil and gold fields as a result of being considered mentally and genetically inferior. Of course, the mythicized history printed and taught in schools ignore reality and gets regurgitated by the products of that miseducation. So, H.L. Menchen was wrong then, and is wrong now. And that doesn't even count how women were and still are presumed mentally inferior for ages. And continues to this day as seen in the fields of math, science, careers in technological, and corporate areas. Yep, the quote is interesting because, like the Benjamin Disraeli, the 19th century British Prime Minister says: There are three kinds of lies. There are lies, damn lies, and then there's statistics.
Source: - Twain's assertion is found in a speech made by Leonard H. Courtney, (1832-1918), later Lord Courtney, in New York in 1895:
 
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Woodlawn VOL said:
Farm teams don’t work look at baseball, players are moving more to the college game every day. These universities in big college football aren’t going to lose their cash cow or their audience. College football is going nowhere, how it’s ran and by who is the question. Most players aren’t going to make millions just because the NIL is around, and the NIL isn’t going to be the for some G league game that doesn’t have the fans. The college football fan is loyal to their school the tailgates and the game day sec rivalries. Them fans aren’t going to accept anything else. College football isn’t going anywhere.
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IDK? I’ve been diehard since the age of 8. The sugar Vols won me over and I’ve never looked back. Fast forward 35 years and my interest is so so now. Maybe it has to do with priorities and having kids that take a ton of my attention? My guess is that college football is going the route of NASCAR. The old heads like myself, won’t recognize it as the college football we grew up with and loved and will find something else to do with the majority of our Saturday’s, while the change will usher in a whole new generation of fan to take our place.
I’m not gonna lie, I don’t like the direction that college athletics are headed. I don’t know if it’s right or wrong, it’s just my personal opinion that it’s about to change drastically and I for one, don’t like it.🤷‍♂️
GBO!!
 
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LWSVOL said:
the NCAA can't control NIL. Its controlled by the state's that have passed legislation to enact it. Its different from state to state. The money is coming from entities outside of the schools so the NCAA or any college governing body has no say in how it works. All they can control is how involved schools are in it and based on Tennessee state law, schools in Tennessee cannot be involved. The law is different state to state. Your right is open for interpretation but there is nothing the NCAA (which is the school presidents), conferences or schools can do about it.

The governing needs improving, no doubt at all about that. I can't imagine the school presidents turning that governance over to any independent entity which means they may massage and change the NCAA we see and know, but it will still be similar to what its been. Assuming CF stays similar to what its been.
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The more rules and controls that "governing bodies" put into place, the more loopholes and stealth violations take place to override them by the ones seeking an advantage. There's not a jurisdiction in the USA for example where one can have weed within five minutes of making a phone call. Meanwhile your judges and lawyers are smoking it as well. We obey laws we believe violate theones we don't and pay the fine. Whatever comnes out of this the rules need a HUGE overhaul, keep them simple, and limited.
 
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cobbwebb0710 said:
IDK? I’ve been diehard since the age of 8. The sugar Vols won me over and I’ve never looked back. Fast forward 35 years and my interest is so so now. Maybe it has to do with priorities and having kids that take a ton of my attention? My guess is that college football is going the route of NASCAR. The old heads like myself, won’t recognize it as the college football we grew up with and loved and will find something else to do with the majority of our Saturday’s, while the change will usher in a whole new generation of fan to take our place.
I’m not gonna lie, I don’t like the direction that college athletics are headed. I don’t know if it’s right or wrong, it’s just my personal opinion that it’s about to change drastically and I for one, don’t like it.🤷‍♂️
GBO!!
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Well stated my friend. I respect your thoughts. I’m a old head myself and I don’t know if it’s right or wrong. But the landscape of college football is changing
 
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FCTA said:
Well stated my friend. I respect your thoughts. I’m a old head myself and I don’t know if it’s right or wrong. But the landscape of college football is changing
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Growing up, you had guys like Dale Jones, Keith DeLong, guys who would probably be FCS level players these days. But they came to Tennessee, fell in love with their school, put in the work to become Vol legends. Now it appears that kids aren’t chasing a dream, they are just chasing money. Players are becoming mercenaries along with the coaches. Again, I don’t have a problem with these kids making money, I just don’t like that the loyalty to your school and the pride that players once had for their school, is about to become extinct.
GBO!!
 
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Gandalf said:
"We're going to unionize football," a dour Pittsburgh coach Pat Narduzzi predicted this week. "Take 20 guys [in recruiting] out of high school. Only 10 are any good. We're going to cut the other 10? If you want to start talking money, we're going to start cutting players. It's going to become a business."

Exactly - the big boys of P5 are about to get even more cutthroat than they have been about who is on the roster. It also means it will be much harder for "projects" to get any time at a big school or the best coaches but try to improve at one of the lesser ones and then move up through the portal after a year or two.

Even crazier though is if they have to pay salary to football players - that is going to cause major Title IX issues
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Well, that is going to lead to each sport either becoming self sustaining or going away. So the women's sports best learn to market themselves, and put butts in the seats, or become downgraded to club sports. Same goes for the men's sports that do not sell.

Once you trim the fat that football currently provides to pay players? Sacrifices will have to be made. It will take a few years, and there will be weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth. But sooner or later, you either trim the fat, or go bust.
 
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cobbwebb0710 said:
IDK? I’ve been diehard since the age of 8. The sugar Vols won me over and I’ve never looked back. Fast forward 35 years and my interest is so so now. Maybe it has to do with priorities and having kids that take a ton of my attention? My guess is that college football is going the route of NASCAR. The old heads like myself, won’t recognize it as the college football we grew up with and loved and will find something else to do with the majority of our Saturday’s, while the change will usher in a whole new generation of fan to take our place.
I’m not gonna lie, I don’t like the direction that college athletics are headed. I don’t know if it’s right or wrong, it’s just my personal opinion that it’s about to change drastically and I for one, don’t like it.🤷‍♂️
GBO!!
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There were aspects of college football that I did not like when I go to the point where older guys had to explain it to me. They often talk about the "prestige and pagentry" of college football. Well, the pagentry is really just the sideshow, and the prestige? It is the illusion those who promote it want you to buy. Some might call it propoganda, if it involved a government.

But sooner or later, prestige and pagentry needs true substance, or the illusion gets seen through. That is the point where the whole thing gets tired, and stupid in your eyes. But the good news is finding something else to do on Saturdays can lead to good things. There is life beyond not having college football as a high priority in your life. And if a few media types and sponsors get a little less business because of our loss of interest? Not worth losing sleep over anymore.
 
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J C Higgins said:
I think it's possible there will be Congressional action to disallow or at least put limitations on this movement. I say that for two reasons:

1. Title IX may come into play

2. There are far more state universities without the kind of backing the "rich" schools can help provide either directly or indirectly than the others. That would give the "no-haves" the advantage in passing legislation. And this won't be a political issue in the conventional sense. It would be the "haves"vs the "have nots"......and there a lot more of the latter.
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How in the world is a case of “haves vs. have nots” not a political issue, especially where state land grant institutions are involved?
 
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TNnative said:
There were aspects of college football that I did not like when I go to the point where older guys had to explain it to me. They often talk about the "prestige and pagentry" of college football. Well, the pagentry is really just the sideshow, and the prestige? It is the illusion those who promote it want you to buy. Some might call it propoganda, if it involved a government.

But sooner or later, prestige and pagentry needs true substance, or the illusion gets seen through. That is the point where the whole thing gets tired, and stupid in your eyes. But the good news is finding something else to do on Saturdays can lead to good things. There is life beyond not having college football as a high priority in your life. And if a few media types and sponsors get a little less business because of our loss of interest? Not worth losing sleep over anymore.
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Personally, I’ve discovered that golf and hiking with my family are pretty dang fantastic.

Vol Network radio broadcasts are also liberating.
 
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AM64 said:
Funny that everybody forgets Cost of Attendance - payments by the schools to the players.



Full cost of attendance: What will it mean for Power Five players?

Note that this is an article written 7 years ago, so those numbers are likely low. Added to that is a full scholarship, room and board, etc worth far more. Their meals alone are well beyond the fare of regular students. Student athletes are doing very well for themselves unless you decide they are there simply for the sports and forget the educational value. Don't forget the schools are essentially advertising programs for NFL bound "students" - the facilities (play, training, and coaching) provide the platform. Most students can only dream about being so mistreated and "underpaid".
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If that cash equivalent is not market value, then I think you can definitely say they’re underpaid.

I’d imagine that disparity gets greater the more talented and accomplished the player is. NIL is starting to fill in that gap, but it is a new market and value at this point may be a little inflated for certain players that have better visibility instead of better athletic ability.

I’m pretty sure it’ll shake out, but it will take several years.

We’re just off the edge of map at present.

Pretty sure there’s no dragons, though.
 
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Interesting quote from ex FSU QB Charlie Ward: FWIW



“What we’re starting to see now is a lot of players don’t want to compete and if they don’t see their opportunity happening sooner then they leave. That’s something that was foreign to us, very few guys did that. I had to wait three years to play quarterback and we all had to redshirt for the most part and wait for our time to play. At that time there was accountability. If you transferred you had to sit out a year and there were no if’s, and’s, or but’s. Most guys just stuck it out and then again you didn’t have as many coaching turnovers as well that we have today. I just think there should be some accountability within all of it, not just the players but also the coaching. Coaches getting fired in the middle of the year, players leaving in the middle of the year, there should be some stipulation around finishing a season on both fronts. If people want to up and leave in the middle of the year, or if they want to fire coaches in the middle of the year, my proposal is the next staff is suspended or can’t coach until however many games the previous coach coached. If he coached six games and gets fired, whoever comes in that’s new can’t coach until the 6th game. That way we can eliminate firings in the middle of the year and players the same way. If they (the players) want to transfer after game two then they have to sit out the next year until game two. That way we can at least teach something about being committed and sticking to your commitment.”

“If they want to leave before the season or after the season then they can move, no penalty. I just feel like in the middle of the season once the games start happening there should be some
 
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Gandalf said:
"We're going to unionize football," a dour Pittsburgh coach Pat Narduzzi predicted this week. "Take 20 guys [in recruiting] out of high school. Only 10 are any good. We're going to cut the other 10? If you want to start talking money, we're going to start cutting players. It's going to become a business."

Exactly - the big boys of P5 are about to get even more cutthroat than they have been about who is on the roster. It also means it will be much harder for "projects" to get any time at a big school or the best coaches but try to improve at one of the lesser ones and then move up through the portal after a year or two.

Even crazier though is if they have to pay salary to football players - that is going to cause major Title IX issues
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Coaches have been cutting players for years. Saban does it repeatedly.
 
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kcvols1 said:
How in the world is a case of “haves vs. have nots” not a political issue, especially where state land grant institutions are involved?
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"And this won't be a political issue in the conventional sense."

I think most people understand what I mean.
 
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TNnative said:
There were aspects of college football that I did not like when I go to the point where older guys had to explain it to me. They often talk about the "prestige and pagentry" of college football. Well, the pagentry is really just the sideshow, and the prestige? It is the illusion those who promote it want you to buy. Some might call it propoganda, if it involved a government.

But sooner or later, prestige and pagentry needs true substance, or the illusion gets seen through. That is the point where the whole thing gets tired, and stupid in your eyes. But the good news is finding something else to do on Saturdays can lead to good things. There is life beyond not having college football as a high priority in your life. And if a few media types and sponsors get a little less business because of our loss of interest? Not worth losing sleep over anymore.
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That’s really my point, I dont lose sleep over it anymore and that kinda hurts. At one point I loved college football.
You can say what you want but I’ve had three sport related events give me actual chill bumps. The first was the first time I walked into Neyland Stadium and “down the field” was being cranked out by the Pride and a sea of orange were singing Rocky Top! the second was that night in Tempe, I actually cried like a little girl that night🤷‍♂️ and the third was in Tallahassee for an FSU vs Miami game, when the whole stadium was doing the chant and chop and chief Osceola stormed out of the tunnel on his horse and spiked the flaming spear into the ground.

I remember the walking horses and drum major on the field, I remember “fight fight fight!”
I remember Reggie Cobb and Chuck Webb, I remember the VOLS letters In The upper deck end zone.
I remember 107,000 crazy fans, decked out in orange!
I remember “15, 10, 5, TOUCHDOWN TENNESSEE!”
That’s pageantry and passion, my friend!
GBO!!
 
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cobbwebb0710 said:
That’s really my point, I dont lose sleep over it anymore and that kinda hurts. At one point I loved college football.
You can say what you want but I’ve had three sport related events give me actual chill bumps. The first was the first time I walked into Neyland Stadium and “down the field” was being cranked out by the Pride and a sea of orange were singing Rocky Top! the second was that night in Tempe, I actually cried like a little girl that night🤷‍♂️ and the third was in Tallahassee for an FSU vs Miami game, when the whole stadium was doing the chant and chop and chief Osceola stormed out of the tunnel on his horse and spiked the flaming spear into the ground.

I remember the walking horses and drum major on the field, I remember “fight fight fight!”
I remember Reggie Cobb and Chuck Webb, I remember the VOLS letters In The upper deck end zone.
I remember 107,000 crazy fans, decked out in orange!
I remember “15, 10, 5, TOUCHDOWN TENNESSEE!”
That’s pageantry and passion, my friend!
GBO!!
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Running thru the "T"
Osceola and the spear

The 2 best moments in sports.................Fortunate to have witnessed both MANY times!
 
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