Future of College Football

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Given the makeover of the Supreme Court, is Title IX going to remain the law of the land much longer?
I am serious.
I have my doubts.
 
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Let me say in some of the respects in this discussion.....the NCAA gets a bad rap.

They've been doing the job they've been asked to do and we all wanted them to do for years. Provide the appearance of amateurism and a system of rules that all the schools live by even though we know what's really going on.

I lived it too. People using the phrase "Florida was the best team money could buy" in the 80's like it wasn't literally going on everywhere. But, by punishing the occasional school here and there gave the appearance that there were rule breakers and rule followers. The rule followers were many and the rule breakers were few.

We now know, or probably always knew, that's a load. The NCAA was asked by all of us to perpetuate this lie because it's what we wanted to believe. Just like we wanted to believe that in these revenue sports, they're "student athletes". Well, a great many are. But, a great many have no business being anywhere near an institution of higher learning. And we know that too.

So, don't go blaming the NCAA.

I've said this for a while, but the players don't know what they're in for. If they're getting paid, the IRS will want to have a chat. If they're getting paid, they can be cut. IF they're getting paid, it will be much easier to send them packing after failed drug tests, missing class, legal troubles, etc.
 
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volsfan24017 said:
They have opened Pandora's box.
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SCOTUS? Yes.

Same as in the 80s.

But they are there for the law...not the ability of your organization or association to survive as-is.

Comes back to the universities denying reality and putting up this facade for decades. You can't seriously pay an "amateur coach" $10mm/year...have a $500mm stadium...$100mm facilties...and tell the value-producers they get such a teeny tiny share AND they can't earn independently, one thing literally every other student can do. It was always a joke...they never backed down from their BS model and now the universities and presidents are paying for this chaotic storm. Serves them right tbh.
 
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99gator said:
Does Title IX apply once you remove amateurism?
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From legal articles I've read...if you make them employees...yes it still applies.

Not a legal scholar, but that's how it read. Have also read doing it based on how much revenue each sport earns won't fly either. Sounds like a mess and they may just have to break off at that point. Title IX may need an upgrade to the reality of the times. It's great, but in this climate, it would only reduce opportunities. Without football, most sports crumble.
 
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Luke Fickell does not know people very well if he thinks in a situation where a quarterback is making $2,000,000 a year and his offensive lineman is making zero, the OL would be “totally happy.” according to Fickell. I doubt it,
 
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Jr. Pro ball. Some will stay at the college level longer for the money. Transition to less pay when they have to/ AtM.
 
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All this money grab combined with the pending financial disaster this country is facing doesn’t project well for college athletics.
 
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J C Higgins said:
I think it's possible there will be Congressional action to disallow or at least put limitations on this movement. I say that for two reasons:

1. Title IX may come into play
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Title IX in 2022
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LWSVOL said:
Will not recognize it in 5 years.

With the NCAA backed into a corner, the age of paying college athletes is officially upon us

JMO
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I’ve been saying this ever since the Supreme Court made their ruling. In fact I didn’t even have to say it, Brett Kavanaugh wrote an opinion on it. The current system is unsustainable and is going to get a whole lot worse. This isn’t about the fact college football players are getting paid. This is about all the financial implications and that Title IX is the elephant in the room. Imagine running a minor league where you have a 70%+ tax rate on payroll. Forget about it. The NFL enjoys congressional anti trust protection. College football is about to get decimated and the NFL will only step in after it’s too late. Eventually college sports will return to basically club sports. Unless like Dodd says, Congress intervenes. And as unimaginable as the above seems, congressional action seems even less likely.
 
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I imagine the programs with sufficient fan support will break away from the NCAA, and will also break away from their schools (with the full support of the schools) into a separate entity, but then license the rights to the ‘brand’ from the schools to both give legal separation from Title IX and maintain their identity. Some sort of community corporation, perhaps like the Packers. Some profit sharing with the University that would be used to fund things.

If they’re smart they won’t entangle themselves with the NFL. They would be powerful enough to stand alone as a competitor.
 
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Woodlawn VOL said:
I am not saying they control the NIL, but they can control a university like A@M and publicly say whether boosters can or cannot be involved directly with players and do they constitute as being a employee. That’s what I was getting at. There needs to be clarity and if booster is considered a member of university A@M should be looked at because there were rumors that they were directly involved with last class. If a booster isn’t deemed a member then ours are free to do their thing. Everybody should be on level playing field and punishments should be handed out fairly no matter the institution. This is where the NCAA needs to be out front and in public early on clearly sending the message what is and isn’t allowed. Same with the portal, they should be able to step in if it is not working right and re-tool it. Too slow acting and not out in front of situations. The list goes on. No more excuses. We need a panel consisting of former AD’s,Presidents, Coaches and players. A panel of 20, and 5 from each category. They can be the new ncaa panel. I have waited for the NCAA to get it’s act together for years like many fans. We got a great game but poor leadership. I am afraid if the NCAA doesn’t get it’s act together one day the power 5 will form their own governing body and if it comes to that the NCAA governing body need only to look at themselves. GBO!
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They should have never been nil start with they get free collage
 
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twoffo said:
I imagine the programs with sufficient fan support will break away from the NCAA, and will also break away from their schools (with the full support of the schools) into a seperate entity, but then license the rights to the ‘brand’ from the schools to both give legal separation from Title IX and maintain their identity. Some sort of community corporation, perhaps like the Packers. Some profit sharing with the University that would be used to fund things.

If they’re smart they won’t entangle themselves with the NFL. They would be powerful enough to stand alone as a competitor.
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The NFL, if it viewed a rebranded pro college league as a competitor at all, would crush it as it has done to previous upstart leagues consistently. Political hiccups aside, the NFL steamrolls competition.

I agree the schools are going to have to turn the business over to another entity. Schools STRONGLY value their nonprofit status for reasons way beyond athletics and if you think multimillionaire coaches working for nonprofit schools has looked ridiculous for years........ so does the court system. If you think the highest paid state employee being a coach at a nonprofit school looks strange...... so does the court system AND some of the legislators in those states.

The further athletics goes from academics, the closer it comes to being just another business, a very successful business, that doesn't pay its employees. It's not "all of a sudden out of thin air" some athletes are becoming worth millions to woo them to play at a school. It's been an underground bidding war for decades that's been exposed. These players have value to the BIG football business these schools operate. Denying that is ridiculous at this point.

The big money making schools need to join together, form an alliance with the NFL to avoid getting crushed, and let's get back to playing football. It'll still have the TN Vols logo, Power T, stadium, etc........ and let's be honest, do you REALLY give a damn if the kid attends classes at all so long as they show up on Saturday?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The NFL, if it viewed a rebranded pro college league as a competitor at all, would crush it as it has done to previous upstart leagues consistently. Political hiccups aside, the NFL steamrolls competition.
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None of the other upstart leagues started with teams that had been building fanbases for 100 years. No one is going to stop watching Tennessee football to focus on NFL only, there will be plenty of revenue for everyone to “win” in this competition.

I just don’t see the SEC football programs taking control away from the NCAA and then giving it to the NFL commissioner and the existing NFL team owners. Now maybe some schools sign agreements with NFL teams to take on their draftees, with the NFL team paying the salary, in fact that would make a lot of sense. But the SEC football clubs/corps need to maintain control of their own destiny.
 
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twoffo said:
None of the other upstart leagues started with teams that had been building fanbases for 100 years. No one is going to stop watching Tennessee football to focus on NFL only, there will be plenty of revenue for everyone to “win” in this competition.

I just don’t see the SEC football programs taking control away from the NCAA and then giving it to the NFL commissioner and the existing NFL team owners. Now maybe some schools sign agreements with NFL teams to take on their draftees, with the NFL team paying the salary, in fact that would make a lot of sense. But the SEC football clubs/corps need to maintain control of their own destiny.
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There's room for both but after the players start getting paid, will their be enough money left for schools if they have to operate with unionized players, profit sharing, health insurance for the players, etc as a business.

The NCAA model has depended on NOT sharing the TV revenue with the players, not facing contract negotiations for salaries, having a favorable tax status, etc. When the business comes out from under the NCAA/university protection as a non-amateur business, things will definitely change for the revenue stream. Further, the Title IX issues with paying UT football players and NOT paying UT women's athletes won't go away if the school is still in control of football. Pay one athlete, you'll have to pay them all at the school or get sued until you do. It's EXTREMELY unlikely even a heavily conservative Supreme Court starts to overturn cases based on women and men being treated equally in schools.

As I said, I like the football. I'm not worried about who controls it, owns it, runs it....... as long as they do it better than academic administrators and the NCAA have done.
 
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They've always gotten paid. Now it's open. Good for them. The very basis of the American dream, you work hard and get paid for your work. Schools make 9 figures, coaches make 8, the people generating the money make 0.

"Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate,". That statement from Kavanagh sums it up pretty accurately.

As long as players put on the Orange and White and play here, I'll be a fan, buy tickets and watch on TV etc. The players openly making money won't affect me or my enjoyment of the sport at all.
 
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CobbVol said:
The NCAA (aka University Presidents) were so greedy, that even when the profits for college football escalated they refused to share any of the gains with the players. The courts and politicians filled the void. We all know that is a recipe for disaster..... and here we are.
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Funny that everybody forgets Cost of Attendance - payments by the schools to the players.

At $5,666 per year, Tennessee can provide the largest stipend to student-athletes under the new rules, or about $630 per month for out-of-pocket items. That’s a pretty big allowance for college students who already have everything paid for that’s school-associated.
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Full cost of attendance: What will it mean for Power Five players?

Note that this is an article written 7 years ago, so those numbers are likely low. Added to that is a full scholarship, room and board, etc worth far more. Their meals alone are well beyond the fare of regular students. Student athletes are doing very well for themselves unless you decide they are there simply for the sports and forget the educational value. Don't forget the schools are essentially advertising programs for NFL bound "students" - the facilities (play, training, and coaching) provide the platform. Most students can only dream about being so mistreated and "underpaid".
 
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