Fundamentals of CBJ Offense....

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volberry said:
He has no idea how to use common sense. He calls plays according to the menu sheet and schemes ONLY!! He has no common sense at all. It takes no brains to be on the 1 inch yard line with a rb who couldn't be stopped to take two hand offs and run right into that defense even if they stuffed the box. He coaches them to check out. This dude is a hot mess.
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In the grand scheme of the game, there were some excellent plays called. We only notice the bad ones wich were actually bery few.
 
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The offense will work with either style of QB. Of course the "zone read" and designed QB runs (counter/power) work better with a running QB. An earlier poster was correct in saying if you have a pocket passer you HAVE to run more RPO's (run pass option) to substitute for the lack of the QB run. Yes, I completely understand that the stats from Worley/Dormady/Dobbs say it has to be a running QB but anyone that has ever played in this style of system or coached it will debunk your theory all day everyday and twice on sat. Riley Ferguson isn't a burner and he plays in the same system. Obviously not identical systems but same theory.

Dormady's biggest problem is when he's pressured his mechanics and footwork go too complete sh*t. He constantly throws off his back foot and locks into a single receiver.

I agree with everyone saying a dual threat would make our offense better. That's completely fact BUT it can still put up great numbers with the RPO factor.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
Pure HORSE CRAP! True, but also horse crap.

He hired his old pal DeBord as OC because he could still be the real OC but blame DeBord. Now Larry Scott is learning that lesson.

He has never won with the better team. He has depended on trickery, confusion, gimmicks, and spreading the field. There are occasional wins against better teams but you keep the lesser opponents in the game. Other than non Power5 teams, UT has not stomped a team they should stomp.
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What you said. Butch is in control of the team.
 
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MikeVol44 said:
You couldn't be MORE WRONG!!

JK was responsible for 237 yards of the offense...that's 54% of the total offensive yardage...

JK caught the ball and ran for 96 of those 237 yards...

QD had 259 yards passing...JK had 96/259 yards = 37% of QD's passing yards....

QD was 15/33 for 163 yards and 3 interceptions....when NOT throwing to JK...

Just what is it about those FACTS that you FAIL to understand???? :crazy: :banghead2::banghead2:
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So getting the ball to the best play maker on the field doesn't count?

Personally, I couldn't care less who is the quarterback. I just don't think the team's problems are associated with offensive production. The offense was easily capable of winning that game with QD playing.

The team's problems are associated with the in-game management of the coaching staff, and until that issue is addressed, it doesn't matter who is taking the snaps from center.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
So getting the ball to the best play maker on the field doesn't count?

Personally, I couldn't care less who is the quarterback. I just don't think the team's problems are associated with offensive production. The offense was easily capable of winning that game with QD playing.
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Except they were not capable!!!

They couldn't make first downs in the Red Zone...and QD took a sack to lose about 12 yards to make it a 51 yd FG miss instead of a 39-40 yd FG attempt...

And, QD THREW 3 INTERCEPTIONS...one that resulted in a TD for Florida....

If you can't see that for what it is....I just cannot help you...but I've tried....:salute:
 
#34
#34
Guys, we have a real problem with coach Jones...Most of us like the guy, and his love of UT football is great.....But, Butch turns around and says and does the most bizarre things (like the before mentioned data) that we all go a little crazy...

Unless there is a strong possibility of getting an established head coach personality to take his place, letting him go, to start all over again, is madness....A large number of losses will surely follow.

I'm sure Coach Fulmer and AD Currie have met with him, or soon will, and want some clear clarification as to what the hell happened at the Swamp................again.

I understand how each of you guys feel.....This is a real....pain in the Florida.
 
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MikeVol44 said:
I have never liked CBJ's offensive system....never....

However, to maximize efficiency and effectiveness--it does require a QB who is a legitimate threat to run the ball for more than 2 yards....

Justin Worley proved that fact in a negative way....
Josh Dobbs proved that fact in a positive way...

Dormady is proving that fact in a negative way...I like the kid...strong arm, stays under control, appears to be a good leader.

However--this offense will never be effective with a QB who is a pocket-passer and just athletic enough to execute roll out plays....and that is all we have with QD...an average passer who cannot run the ball....

I think J Guarantano knows it...and cannot hide his frustration...He's just a better athlete...and a better fit for this offense--in the mould of Josh Dobbs...

CBJ should make the change...to JG now....I hate it for QD...but it would be the best thing for the TEAM...

However--IMO--CBJ has dug in his heels and will not make this necessary change...
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I agree with 90 percent of your analysisbut disagree with your solution. Based on what I've seen, QD gets the job done...but, you're right: in Butch's "zone read" system, you need a legit threat of the QB running to make it work.

Who among us can forget Butch's immortal words of his zone-read offense when he first arrived?

"The system is infallible as long as the players buy into it."

The silly "infallible" claim aside, the system surely worked with Dobbs. Don't think it'll work for QD as it's engineered now.

My point: Butch should tweak/adjust his system around his QB's strengths rather than trying to continually fit a round peg into a square hole, i.e. QD in Butch's pure zone-read. Build the system around your QB's (and other players') strengths rather than trying to force fit the player into a system that limits or restricts his strengths.

How about a twist on the I formation? How about Chandler playing FB for Kelly on a couple of play? How about a twist on the ol' wishbone/flexbone? How about JK, CFA and Chandler lining up in a couple of special sets? Be a little more creative, please.

Worley was a pocket passer. Dobbs was dual-threat.
QD does not look to be a dual-threat QB yet...to my eyes, he looks like primarily a pocket passer or a roll-out passer.
 
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The fundamentals of CBJ's offense require all five offensive linemen to make a complicated set of decisions based upon play called, gaps lined up in by defenders, stunts, and all with the idea that you don't move much differently in pass plays than you do in run plays. If one OLineman makes the wrong read and chooses the wrong responsibility, then your backs get up close and personal with the opponent's defensive line.

Everything is based upon reacting "correctly" to what you see across the line of scrimmage. Because of that aggression goes out the window.

Football, though, is a game of aggression.

Thus, we have a problem.
 
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