Fulmer's future coaching prospects (merged)

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#352
I'm curious as to what kind of salary he will draw. Will it be $3 mil per year? After all, thats what hambone purported his "market value" was last summer after Sexton bent him over the barrel.

My guess... $1.5 mil annually at best, more likely $1 mil.
 
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General Jack said:
I'm curious as to what kind of salary he will draw. Will it be $3 mil per year? After all, thats what hambone purported last summer after Sexton bent him over the barrel.

My guess... $1.5 mil annually at best, more likely $1 mil.
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If phillip is willing to take a huge pay cut then he could get another job somewhere. Will his ego allow it, is the question?
 
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Cartervol said:
If phillip is willing to take a huge pay cut then he could get another job somewhere. Will his ego allow it, is the question?
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His ego is having a rough ride lately. I'm not sure he continues coaching, the experience would never compare to taking his alma mater to the national championship.

I'm sure he'll think about it... but my guess is that he'll decline after sniffing around. It would be tough to leave his home for some distant outpost where he most likely would have few ties... and make less than half his current salary.

Thing is... after some times passes and the program picks itself up out of the gutter... and assuming he stays classy about the "break-up," then he'll be royalty in Knoxville.

Why trade that for some gig at a half rate program, and furnish tarnish his legacy in the process?
 
#359
#359
No. Wrong again... Let me guess your still riding that '98 championship that makes him such a great coach. Right
 
#360
#360
Nope. I just don't know what "the game has passed him by" means.

If you can define that, I will be glad to respond. That is a vague argument.

I'll be glad to agree with you if you can support it.
 
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bmfcox said:
No. Wrong again... Let me guess your still riding that '98 championship that makes him such a great coach. Right
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General Jack said:
His ego is having a rough ride lately. I'm not sure he continues coaching, the experience would never compare to taking his alma mater to the national championship.

I'm sure he'll think about it... but my guess is that he'll decline after sniffing around. It would be tough to leave his home for some distant outpost where he most likely would have few ties... and make less than half his current salary.

Thing is... after some times passes and the program picks itself up out of the gutter... and assuming he stays classy about the "break-up," then he'll be royalty in Knoxville.

Why trade that for some gig at a half rate program, and furnish tarnish his legacy in the process?
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By damn General Jack you have hit the nail on the head.
I agree with your statement wholeheartedly.
 
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#362
150 wins seems like a good coach to me. I think he has just lost discipline on his teams of recent. He is just way too comfortable at UT, so I think a fresh start somewhere else will do him good. He has at least 8-10 yrs left in him
 
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#364
How has the game not passed him by? You obviously have not been watching the same coach as I have for the last five years.
 
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optionqb21 said:
Nope. I just don't know what "the game has passed him by" means.

If you can define that, I will be glad to respond. That is a vague argument.

I'll be glad to agree with you if you can support it.
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How about his conservative offense that sucks. In the end the HC has the final say in playcalling. The defense can't win the game by itself. You have to score points to win.After the early season struggles he should have snatched those duties away from Clawson. He has lost his disciplinary side as a coach. Do you think the players respect him? I don't. His feild of expertise, OL, is probably what sucks the worst. Everyone knows the offensive tam revolves around the OL. So yeah I think the game has passed him by
 
#369
#369
Honestly and objectively, I think this is the problem with Fulmer.

I think that he is loyal to a fault.
I think that is QB situation has caused many problems.
I think that fans have unreasonable expectations (although I 100% agree that is the nature of the job).
I think that talent/execution has been a bad combination.
I think not giving Trooper Taylor a position to coach, hurt our recruiting with blue chip players (whether Trooper is qualified to be a position coach is not my place to say).
Most importantly, I think that Clawson has been a bad fit. (I didn't say Clawson is a bad coach...just a bad fit)
I think that we overrate where UT stands in general.

Fulmer's recruiting classes are strong. That hasn't passed him by.

Chavis is an excellent DC (I know...you don't have to agree...but in coaching circles, he is very highly regarded).

UT's offense has hurt them. It has hurt the defense.
When Cutcliffe left, it hurt the offense.


ALL Head coaches are made through the work of their OC/DC/Recruiters. This point is not-debatable.

For hiring an OC that was not a great fit, CPF is guilty.

I am not a Fulmer apologist. I am, however, objective about everything (or try to be).

I don't think Fulmer is a bad coach. I think he has forgotten more football that most of us will ever know.

UT won the SEC East last year. They are not good this year. Are expectations fair....probably not. Again, that is the nature of the job.

Pundits thought the game passed JoePa by. They are 9-1 this season. He has a good OC/DC and has improved recruiting.

I don't think that UT is that talented. I think that they are the 5th most talented squad in the SEC. I think that Fulmer has a great class coming in. I wish we would have been patient and see if it turns around.

I'm not living off a National Championship. However, CPF won one. Only a handful of guys ever have. Give credit where credit is due.

However, this is a what have you done for me lately job. I 100% agree with that.

It was time for a change.

The game, however, doesn't "pass someone by" in 10 years.
 
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I'm glad BMFCOX has set the story straight and let everyone know the game has passed Phil by. 150- 53? i may be off on the losses but 17 of those losses have been in the last 3 years. I wanted the change just because of the trend that was happening. Not because he has lost it. GA is doing just fine with there simple old school offense.
 
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bmfcox said:
Be a head coach at a major university again. The game has passed him by already. Get over it, gosh.
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What exactly has changed about the game of football?

The team that has the best defense and controls the ball on offense still wins the same as it always has. It might be that the work ethic of the players has changed, but given players that are willing to put out the effort asked of them, not much has changed.

He will coach again, there's no doubt in my mind. He may very well not get 3.5 million to do it, however, in the economic times we are in, that kind of money may be a thing of the past or future. I sort of doubt UT ponying up that much money right now. I could be proven wrong, but anyone stupid enough to put up a 3.5 million dollar multi year contract right now is an idiot, first class. I'd bet there are teams, Alabama comes to mind, that are regretting the situation they have themselves in financially. There's no doubt in my mind that after the first of the year, we are going to see bankruptcy's in this country like no other time in history. Where do you plan on getting that kind of money?

It always amazes me at the $10/hour people who think it would be ok to just pony up a 5 year 25 million dollar contract with 3 million in possible bonus money. Kinda like the idiot on CNN yesterday that postulated that the Fed and Banks ought to loan money at 0% interest. How do they propose the banks stay in business like that?

Skipper
 
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#372
No major program will hire Fulmer--unless they're stupid. He's done, IMO--not a good coach anymore. It's been clear for a LONG time that UT has been poorly coached. Were he still a good coach, he would at least put strong or, at a minimum, competent special teams on the field. Instead, most of UT's special teams have been absolute CRAP for many, many years. Fulmer, for example, kept Leonard Scott returning kicks for two years despite the fact that he was no good at it--and the blocking was terrible too. There was a two year PLUS period when we couldn't return a KO past the 18 yard line. We almost never do anything special on special teams. This is evidence of Fulmer's lack of attention to detail. More generally, Fulmer is SOFT--that is obvious. We are a soft team. Saban is breaking balls at bama and Fulmer has been giving us hand claps and "working like heck" for 20 years. Anybody who can't say anything sharp or interesting about a game or his team at any time should not be coaching a major program. Maybe a little school will hire, but nobody big. He was done, burnt out, finished years ago.
 
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General Jack said:
His ego is having a rough ride lately. I'm not sure he continues coaching, the experience would never compare to taking his alma mater to the national championship.

I'm sure he'll think about it... but my guess is that he'll decline after sniffing around. It would be tough to leave his home for some distant outpost where he most likely would have few ties... and make less than half his current salary.

Thing is... after some times passes and the program picks itself up out of the gutter... and assuming he stays classy about the "break-up," then he'll be royalty in Knoxville.

Why trade that for some gig at a half rate program, and furnish tarnish his legacy in the process?
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He just wants to be asked and matter again.
 
#374
#374
KY...good post.

I would argue that the work ethic of player has increased, though.

Too much money on the line for coaches, school and even players (at the next level) not to work hard.

The internet (folks like us), make this an even more difficult for players.

Year round weights and training....film....I think that that so much is expected of players now.
 
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armchairvol said:
No major program will hire Fulmer--unless they're stupid. He's done, IMO--not a good coach anymore. It's been clear for a LONG time that UT has been poorly coached. Were he still a good coach, he would at least put strong or, at a minimum, competent special teams on the field. Instead, most of UT's special teams have been absolute CRAP for many, many years. Fulmer, for example, kept Leonard Scott returning kicks for two years despite the fact that he was no good at it--and the blocking was terrible too. There was a two year PLUS period when we couldn't return a KO past the 18 yard line. We almost never do anything special on special teams. This is evidence of Fulmer's lack of attention to detail. More generally, Fulmer is SOFT--that is obvious. We are a soft team. Saban is breaking balls at bama and Fulmer has been giving us hand claps and "working like heck" for 20 years. Anybody who can't say anything sharp or interesting about a game or his team at any time should not be coaching a major program. Maybe a little school will hire, but nobody big. He was done, burnt out, finished years ago.
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Sounds like you've been holding that in for awhile.
 
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