Fulmer's downfall

Reason for Fulmer's downfall

  • Complacency

    Votes: 156 38.0%

  • Cutcliffe Leaving

    Votes: 100 24.4%

  • Dave Clawson

    Votes: 35 8.5%

  • Kelly Washington

    Votes: 5 1.2%

  • Mike Hamilton

    Votes: 69 16.8%

  • Two losing seasons in four years

    Votes: 45 11.0%
  • Total voters
    410
  • Poll closed .
#107
#107
The bottom line is that letting him go was a mistake. That much cannot be denied, in my opinion. Based on the result.
 
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#108
Complacency. He lost some good assistants, but maybe wasn't prepared to replace them. When he lost Garner, he lost his ace recruiter. When he lost Cutcliffe, he lost his ace on offense. I don't think he came close to replacing them.

He was at that point, a National Championship coach, and I think he believed all the press clippings, like he warned his players not to do.
 
#111
#111
I heard this several years ago. Is it true that Phil had the legs to the visitor's chairs in his office sawed off so they'd have to look up at him?
 
#112
#112
XknoxvolsX said:
That wasn't the mistake. The mistake was in hiring the coaches since his firing!
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Then you have to consider the fact that the guy who fired Fulmer hired two of those coaches, and that the two business type ADs who followed Hamilton were no better.

If "complacency" were replaced by "aftermath of the Albert Means scandal", I could agree with the people who voted for the first choice. And I strongly believe that Fulmer did screw up when it came to replacing Cutcliffe.
 
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#116
The Original Fade said:
Fulmer didn’t have a problem. We did.
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I agree with you. Fulmer expected the fanbase to be happy with mediocrity and losing seasons after he won only 2 SEC championships and
1 NC in 17 years. No one hired Fulmer after he left UT and there is a reason for that.

Teams looking for a coach have to have someone who can and has developed a program. Fulmer never developed a program. He had one gifted to him. Similar to Larry Coker or the guy that went from Nebraska to Ohio U.
 
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onevol74 said:
I agree with you. Fulmer expected the fanbase to be happy with mediocrity and losing seasons after he won only 2 SEC championships and
1 NC in 17 years. No one hired Fulmer after he left UT and there is a reason for that.

Teams looking for a coach have to have someone who can and has developed a program. Fulmer never developed a program. He had one gifted to him. Similar to Larry Coker or the guy that went from Nebraska to Ohio U.
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Fulmer’s natty was won entirely with guys he recruited and developed. Coker? Lol nope
 
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DoyleMcOrange said:
In my view, considering that we couldn't find anyone better, it was definitely a mistake to fire him
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It's always pretty stupid to cancel Plan A without a real Plan B to take it's place, but then Hamilton and his enablers proved themselves to be pretty stupid.
 
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#120
AM64 said:
It's always pretty stupid to cancel Plan A without a real Plan B to take it's place, but then Hamilton and his enablers proved themselves to be pretty stupid.
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I agree. They made a huge mistake, and we are still paying for it.
 
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onevol74 said:
I agree with you. Fulmer expected the fanbase to be happy with mediocrity and losing seasons after he won only 2 SEC championships and
1 NC in 17 years. No one hired Fulmer after he left UT and there is a reason for that.

Teams looking for a coach have to have someone who can and has developed a program. Fulmer never developed a program. He had one gifted to him. Similar to Larry Coker or the guy that went from Nebraska to Ohio U.
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Fulmer never developed a program?????! What in the world are you talking about. He developed one of the best four years any programs have ever had. Remember the 45-5 stretch.
 
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Fulmer always had far more talent than anyone with the exception being Florida. The SEC was weak during his tenure. When Richt arrived at Georgia and cut off his pipeline to Georgia talent that was the beginning of the end. From there, he wasn't in the ballpark with the new coaches arriving in the SEC. He got outcoached repeatedly by the newcomers and was never going to beat them. They were smarter, better prepared, and just outright better coaches. His time had passed him by long before he was let go. I remember in a press conference he said something along the lines of we didn't forget how to coach over night. No he didn't forget how to coach, but he did fail to adjust to the times and up his coaching to a competitive level. Cutcliffe carried him even when he had more talent than all the other schools. When Cutcliffe left a second time, it just made Phil's situation that much worse. One of the biggest mistakes TN made was when Kiffin left and Cutcliffe wanted the job. TN wouldn't allow him to bring his full staff with him, so he turned them down. If TN doesn't make that mistake, we aren't in the position we have been in for 10+ years.
 
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