Fulmer's done as Head Coach at UT, I'm ready to give him a break

Does anyone still believe Fulmer is coming back next season?

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There's no way Fulmer survives going 5-6 in 2004 and two years later 6-6 or worse. There's no doubt in my mind he's not coming back, it's over, he's done.

I'm ready to give the man a break, as he coaches his final 3 games at UT. He's given 17 years as coach, 35 total to the University, I'm ready to get off his back as he plays out the string. UT will have a new coach next year. :twocents:
 
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oklavol said:
There's no way Fulmer survives going 5-6 in 2004 and two years later 6-6 or worse. There's no doubt in my mind he's not coming back, it's over, he's done.

I'm ready to give the man a break, as he coaches his final 3 games at UT. He's given 17 years as coach, 35 total to the University, I'm ready to get off his back as he plays out the string. UT will have a new coach next year. :twocents:
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Amen. I appreciate the dedication. He brought us something many coaches can only dream of - a NC. But his time has indeed come.
 
#6
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A man that is paid the amount of money that CPF is should never recieve a break.
He is done.
Think of it like this, if you hired someone at your "job" and he has had many good years/sales/ect. but the last 9 years he has fallen short on a regular basis. Would you keep him around? or would look for a replacement?
 
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word up dawg he has overstayed. Should have retired earlier. It started down hill after losing SEC championship game in 01. if he wins that game and plays for the National tiltle my perspective would be different. Never Ever should Tennessee go a decade without a conference championship. National titles are hard to come by so im not too unrealistic so give me one of those every 25 years or so.
 
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oklavol said:
There's no way Fulmer survives going 5-6 in 2004 and two years later 6-6 or worse. There's no doubt in my mind he's not coming back, it's over, he's done.

I'm ready to give the man a break, as he coaches his final 3 games at UT. He's given 17 years as coach, 35 total to the University, I'm ready to get off his back as he plays out the string. UT will have a new coach next year. :twocents:
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I couldn't agree more. I had several USC fans fans ask me yesterday if I thought his run was over. I said yeah I believe the time has come for us to pursure a different way but I thought it only fitting that he be allowed to coach the rest of the season and step down on his own time. He has given so much to this university and this program that we need to remember that before we try and run him out of Knoxville because we are unhappy with the way this season has turned out. There are 95+ teams that would trade the last 17 years we have had for theirs in a blink of an eye. If Phil is gone after this season then I hope that UT does it with class and gives him the respect he deserves.
 
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Out of respect for him I will not bash him. He loves his University, what can I say, but yes it is time to go.
 
#10
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I think Hamilton will bring him back. The lack of an adequate replacement coupled with his huge contract makes firing him a tough decision. He'll point to his impressive record compiled against mostly cupcakes as the reason for keeping him. He won't mention his record against good teams, or the fact that Cutcliffe and Chavis are the reason Fulmer had any success

It's going to be great news for the rest of the SEC, they love Fulmer
 
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Ron_Mexico said:
I think Hamilton will bring him back. The lack of an adequate replacement coupled with his huge contract makes firing him a tough decision. He'll point to his impressive record compiled against mostly cupcakes as the reason for keeping him. He won't mention his record against good teams, or the fact that Cutcliffe and Chavis are the reason Fulmer had any success

It's going to be great news for the rest of the SEC, they love Fulmer
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So if he does come back,will the support still be there from the fans,boosters,etc?I think the damage is done.I hate like hell this is happening to the man,cause I still have respect for him for what he has done and given to the University.
 
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I listen to Bill King's show out of Nashville, where that optimistic outlook is prevalent among callers. But, the single-wing, ultra Fulmerite base surrounding him, shows no signs of giving up the reins. Many scenarios are being posited from replacing assistants to hiring Cutcliffe to replace Fulmer, which suggest that no real substantial change is in the works.

No offense, but your system has been stale for years now. What your program really needs is a total, wall to wall house-cleaning. I don't see it under your present administration. I suggested once that UT needs to replace their AD with Johnny Majors temporarily, just to ensure that the present regime is cleaned out completely. Honestly, I believe that idea wasn't so bizarre, given how entrenched your current program has become with Fulmerism politics surrounding the power structure. Despite the good intent of your fanbase, I don't think they realize how deep in doo-doo they are.
 
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GIVEHIM-6 said:
So if he does come back,will the support still be there from the fans,boosters,etc?I think the damage is done.I hate like hell this is happening to the man,cause I still have respect for him for what he has done and given to the University.
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I think they will support the team, out of habit and commitment to the cause. You can't just pull your support because of a couple bad years. I know there are alot of fairweather vol fans that see UT football as a social thing to do in the fall, but there are still alot of diehards who will support the team no matter what

Does he deserve the chance to turn this around? Probably. But he hasn't shown enough to convince many people he has what it takes to do so. I have no faith in the man as a coach. The game has passed him by, it's gotten so much more sophisticated since he started and so many more teams are competitive. Simply having a big program with alot of support and money is not enough anymore. Look at Michigan
 
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GIVEHIM-6 said:
So if he does come back,will the support still be there from the fans,boosters,etc?I think the damage is done.I hate like hell this is happening to the man,cause I still have respect for him for what he has done and given to the University.
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He has no one to blame but himself. I respect the man as well, but he is paid to do a job he has not done in many years. Its over.
 
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AlligatorGar said:
I listen to Bill King's show out of Nashville, where that optimistic outlook is prevalent among callers. But, the single-wing, ultra Fulmerite base surrounding him, shows no signs of giving up the reins. Many scenarios are being posited from replacing assistants to hiring Cutcliffe to replace Fulmer, which suggest that no real substantial change is in the works.

No offense, but your system has been stale for years now. What your program really needs is a total, wall to wall house-cleaning. I don't see it under your present administration. I suggested once that UT needs to replace their AD with Johnny Majors temporarily, just to ensure that the present regime is cleaned out completely. Honestly, I believe that idea wasn't so bizarre, given how entrenched your current program has become with Fulmerism politics surrounding the power structure. Despite the good intent of your fanbase, I don't think they realize how deep in doo-doo they are.
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I agree Fulmer is holding the program back. Hiring Majors as AD? That's absolutely ridiculous. Hamilton will have to have the stones to fire Fulmer and be prepared to shell out a ton of money on that contract.

Maybe that huge amount of money Fulmer will get when he is fired is enough of a thank you and compensation for what he has done for the program?
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
He has no one to blame but himself. I respect the man as well, but he is paid to do a job he has not done in many years. Its over.
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I have to agree with you on that,it's his fault for not hiring or establishing a staff and team that can produce.
 
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I think Cut was probably the only O-Coord that more or less had control of the O.

I'm starting to think that he may come back. How much more humilation must the program suffer to prompt an announcement??????????????????????
 
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AlligatorGar said:
I listen to Bill King's show out of Nashville, where that optimistic outlook is prevalent among callers. But, the single-wing, ultra Fulmerite base surrounding him, shows no signs of giving up the reins. Many scenarios are being posited from replacing assistants to hiring Cutcliffe to replace Fulmer, which suggest that no real substantial change is in the works.

No offense, but your system has been stale for years now. What your program really needs is a total, wall to wall house-cleaning. I don't see it under your present administration. I suggested once that UT needs to replace their AD with Johnny Majors temporarily, just to ensure that the present regime is cleaned out completely. Honestly, I believe that idea wasn't so bizarre, given how entrenched your current program has become with Fulmerism politics surrounding the power structure. Despite the good intent of your fanbase, I don't think they realize how deep in doo-doo they are.
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Good post from an
outsider looking in. I do hope you are wrong about how entrenched Fulmer is. His retention would be the death of this program.
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DeepSpringsVol said:
word up dawg he has overstayed. Should have retired earlier. It started down hill after losing SEC championship game in 01. if he wins that game and plays for the National tiltle my perspective would be different. Never Ever should Tennessee go a decade without a conference championship. National titles are hard to come by so im not too unrealistic so give me one of those every 25 years or so.
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You have a huge problem with a portion of your fanbase, which believes the NC merited some life-long debt to your headcoach. They don't recognize that he was hired with no previous head coaching experience and given a rare opportunity to coach at a major SEC school that paid him well to accomplish success. Unfortunately for you and others who want to move forward, these people are wrapped up in that 98 flag. Two sec championships in 17 years doesn't warrant that kind of adoration. UT should probably never hire a someone with past ties to the university, because of the kind of inbreeding it creates. Alabama spent a number of years, running backwards, before they finally caught on.
 
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AlligatorGar said:
You have a huge problem with a portion of your fanbase, which believes the NC merited some life-long debt to your headcoach. They don't recognize that he was hired with no previous head coaching experience and given a rare opportunity to coach at a major SEC school that paid him well to accomplish success. Unfortunately for you and others who want to move forward, these people are wrapped up in that 98 flag. Two sec championships in 17 years doesn't warrant that kind of adoration. UT should probably never hire a someone with past ties to the university, because of the kind of inbreeding it creates. Alabama spent a number of years, running backwards, before they finally caught on.
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And that 98 NC was pretty darn lucky with a number of huge breaks along the way. Then in the NC game the other teams QB doesn't even play.

I've talked to alot of older guys that say the 98 team was the luckiest NC in college football history

Yet it is what every UT fan goes back to. Fulmer has Chavis and Cutcliffe to thank for his reputation
 
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#23
That sums it up. We had some REALLY good teams that were built on RECRUITING and decent coaching.

BUT...the time has come (especially in the SEC, but even in other conferences) that you have to have GREAT recruiting combined with GREAT COACHING to get to (and stay) on top...

Tennessee has the recruiting...but not the coaching staff...

It's that simple.
 
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Ron_Mexico said:
I think Hamilton will bring him back. The lack of an adequate replacement coupled with his huge contract makes firing him a tough decision. He'll point to his impressive record compiled against mostly cupcakes as the reason for keeping him. He won't mention his record against good teams, or the fact that Cutcliffe and Chavis are the reason Fulmer had any success

It's going to be great news for the rest of the SEC, they love Fulmer
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I don't understand what you mean? There have been numerous good replacement candidates discussed on this board and Hammy has already stated that the money for they buyout is sitting in the bank.
 
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oklavol said:
There's no way Fulmer survives going 5-6 in 2004 and two years later 6-6 or worse. There's no doubt in my mind he's not coming back, it's over, he's done.

I'm ready to give the man a break, as he coaches his final 3 games at UT. He's given 17 years as coach, 35 total to the University, I'm ready to get off his back as he plays out the string. UT will have a new coach next year. :twocents:
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(5-6 in 2005)
I'll give him a break when, and if, he steps down. He could have quietly retired after 2003 or even 2005 and we would have had the same reverence for him as Notre Dame for Dan Devine or Nebraska for Bob Devaney. But noooooooeee, nooooooeee he has taken the selfish route and now we have had to endure miserable beatings at the hands of our rivals and now the lowlys like South Carolina.

My attitude will be the same as previously for Majors: "Pick up your check, clean out your office, and don't let the door hit you on the way out":banghead2:.
 
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