Fulmer want the job back is that the problem?

[ksgovols]

Just making some crazy discussions here.. when he was helping last year with the oiline and Tennessee had to report the violations..did this stoke him up wanting to coach again.. he’s been watching Snyder at Kansas St then saw his old pal Mack at UNC maybe that’s stoked him up.. this is for discussion, something I don’t particularly believe but could be some truths if we are throwing sh-t at the wall..

Yep. $h!t on the wall is exactly what you're doing.

 

[gibby615]

Fulmer May be a snake, but his coaching record speaks for itself! Two losing seasons in 16 seasons. We have had 6 losing seasons in the last 10 since his departure.

 

[Volz4lif3]

Too

There is literally no proof it is true and makes no sense. He is too old to be a football coach and if he wanted to coach again he would have after he left Tennessee. The problem is we continue to hire coaches who are either completely ill prepared for the job or have any real experience as a head coach. That is the problem and has been for over a decade. CBJ and Kiffin were the only coaches of the ones since Fulmer who had any real experience as head coaches and consequently they have had the most success. Dooley was an unsuccessful young coach at a small school and was the recruiting coordinator under Saban as well as wr's. Pruitt has never been a head coach and it shows. He shouldn't be the head coach here. The problem is we have invested in so many unprepared, ill equipped coaches that we can't afford to invest in a successful one so we are stuck with Pruitt for at least 3 years imho

Too old to be a coach.. Bill Snyder Frank Solich and Mack Brown all say hello

 

[Volz4lif3]

Yep. $h!t on the wall is exactly what you're doing.

Guess ya didn’t see the above post from Hubbs...

 

[Thorp32]

I would gladly support Fulmer taking over as HC right now. Fulmer may not be the best option but he would take this group of kids and get us 6 wins. At least 90% of the folks on here all agree that Pruitt does not have the skill set "right now" to be a HC in Div. 1 football. There is no doubt on this. The pumpers on here argue that Pruitt needs a couple more years to grow into the position. The Naysayers want him fired now. But all of us agree that Pruitt so far has not demonstrated any type of skill set that you find in HCs. If you take Fulmer's leadership and HC skill set and combine it with these assistants - UT would be fine this year and get into a bowl. That is our ceiling right now. Then Fulmer needs to send a brinks truck to Memphis to hire Mike Norvell or Freeze.

 

[gibby615]

Everyone keeps saying Fulmer is too old to coach, I’m not denying the idea, but Nick Saban born October 31, 1951 (age 67),
Phillip Fulmer-September 1, 1950 (age 69). No one is complaining about Saban’s age.

 

[VolsRule]

Phil wants the job and all those millions that come with it---jeremy better watch his back.

 

[Cartervol]

No i don't think he wanted the job. I do however think he went conservative on his hire, kind of like he coached. He wanted a tough old school type of guy. Not sure yet what he ended up with. At the moment looks like a guy in over his head, and not sure about how to go about fixing it. Guess we'll know soon.. The offense is way too conservative to lean on. This team kind of needed to be able to lean on the offense. We saw how that went...

 

[HooahVol]

IF, and that is a big IF, we keep losing especially to teams we have no business losing to and considering no coach in their right mind would step into this dumpster fire especially if we fire yet another coach I could see a scenario where we just kind of use Fulmer as a stabilizer. Give him 5 years with everyone in agreement he will pass the torch to someone at that time. That would give us time to pay off our buyouts, stabilize the program and at least under Fulmer I would expect a decent offensive line.

 

[WilliamDuVOL]

IF, and that is a big IF, we keep losing especially to teams we have no business losing to and considering no coach in their right mind would step into this dumpster fire especially if we fire yet another coach I could see a scenario where we just kind of use Fulmer as a stabilizer. Give him 5 years with everyone in agreement he will pass the torch to someone at that time. That would give us time to pay off our buyouts, stabilize the program and at least under Fulmer I would expect a decent offensive line.

Good thing Mike Leach is crazy.

 

[bpalmer28]

IF, and that is a big IF, we keep losing especially to teams we have no business losing to and considering no coach in their right mind would step into this dumpster fire especially if we fire yet another coach I could see a scenario where we just kind of use Fulmer as a stabilizer. Give him 5 years with everyone in agreement he will pass the torch to someone at that time. That would give us time to pay off our buyouts, stabilize the program and at least under Fulmer I would expect a decent offensive line.

You and I are on the same wavelength, I'm just not sure I'd go about it the same way.

Butch's buyout is scheduled to be paid off February 28, 2021... so if we give Pruitt 3 years and fire him after the 2020 season, we'd basically just roll from paying out one buyout to paying another, with the Pruitt's being a lesser monthly expense than Butch's. At that point (end of 2020), Pruitt's buyout would be $4M... which is less that half of what's Butch's buyout was. I'm no financial or business expert, but that sounds doable. Also, giving Pruitt 3 years would assure the next guy that he'll get a fair chance, so I lean toward suffering through the next two years before making a move. Yes, recruiting would suffer, but Memphis and Louisville are proof that you don't need top 25 classes in order to be competitive. I'd probably just accept the recruiting hit and do the things necessary to make the next hire the right hire.

 

[diehardvolsfan]

At Fulmer's age, the answer is a resounding NO, I would think his ambition would be limited to 2 or 3 more years as AD at best

Fulmer as AD 3 more years?? You gotta be joking right?? Something will happen or something pop up and Fulmer gets fired for it....

 

[DonjoVol]

If Fulmer wanted the head coaching job back he should have said so. I mean North Carolina did hire Mack Brown back.

 

[Tennesseefan2019]

Fulmer as AD 3 more years?? You gotta be joking right?? Something will happen or something pop up and Fulmer gets fired for it....

 

[Hoosier_Vol]

Two things to remember in life. It's either Trump or Fulmer's fault

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I think it's more that Pruitt is in over his head.

Having said that, I've long been against Fulmer back as coach. But Rick Barnes has taught me that sometime the old dog can start doing some new tricks...or at least the ones they used to could do (or close). I don't think Fulmer would get us back to glory nor be a long term solution, but I'm not so against him coming back as coach to stablize the program; if Pruitt ultimately doesn't work out (trending that way) and we don't get a home run hire (long been trending that way).

 

[BigOrangeAl 1979]

Phil would def come back I think that is his plan and endgame here. He’s still bitter about being forced out and it’s been documented he has been involved in practices and recruiting as well meddling around with other affairs with the team. Just remember we hired the the same guy who crashed the plane to now drive the bus as AD.

 

[JMSqb11]

You and I are on the same wavelength, I'm just not sure I'd go about it the same way.

Butch's buyout is scheduled to be paid off February 28, 2021... so if we give Pruitt 3 years and fire him after the 2020 season, we'd basically just roll from paying out one buyout to paying another, with the Pruitt's being a lesser monthly expense than Butch's. At that point (end of 2020), Pruitt's buyout would be $4M... which is less that half of what's Butch's buyout was. I'm no financial or business expert, but that sounds doable. Also, giving Pruitt 3 years would assure the next guy that he'll get a fair chance, so I lean toward suffering through the next two years before making a move. Yes, recruiting would suffer, but Memphis and Louisville are proof that you don't need top 25 classes in order to be competitive. I'd probably just accept the recruiting hit and do the things necessary to make the next hire the right hire.

Please show me where Louisville and Memphis are consistently competing for anything close to a SEC schedule year in and year out.

 

[gibby615]

Phil would def come back I think that is his plan and endgame here. He’s still bitter about being forced out and it’s been documented he has been involved in practices and recruiting as well meddling around with other affairs with the team. Just remember we hired the the same guy who crashed the plane to now drive the bus as AD.

I’m confused on how everyone thinks Fulmer crashed the plane? From 1997 until 2008 when he was fired, he won the east 5 times, including the year before he was fired, we played in the SEC Championship game on average every three years. We have been cursed ever since, the events over the last 10 years are not caused by Fulmer, but because we prematurely pushed him out before we found the proper replacement.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I’m confused on how everyone thinks Fulmer crashed the plane? From 1997 until 2008 when he was fired, he won the east 5 times, including the year before he was fired, we played in the SEC Championship game on average every three years. We have been cursed ever since, the events over the last 10 years are not caused by Fulmer, but because we prematurely pushed him out before we found the proper replacement.

If you look at Phillip Fulmer's last two seasons without David Cutcliffe serving as the Offensive Coordinator (2005 and 2008), it was reasonable to think that Fulmer wouldn't be able to turn it around, unless Cutcliffe came back as the OC again (which wasn't likely to happen). Those offenses in '05 and '08 were atrocious. Also, the last recruiting class that Fulmer signed in 2008 was not very good. It's pure conjecture at this point, but without Cutcliffe? I don't think Fulmer would have been any better than a 7-5 coach again.

Having said all of that... we should have hired Cutcliffe after Lane Kiffin left in January of 2010. It was the safe move.

 

[JMSqb11]

If you look at Phillip Fulmer's last two seasons without David Cutcliffe serving as the Offensive Coordinator (2005 and 2008), it was reasonable to think that Fulmer wouldn't be able to turn it around, unless Cutcliffe came back again (which wasn't likely to happen). Those offenses in '05 and '08 were atrocious. Also, the last recruiting class that Fulmer signed in 2008 was not very good. It's pure conjecture at this point, but without Cutcliffe? I don't think Fulmer would have been any better than a 7-5 coach again.

Having said all of that... we should have hired Cutcliffe after Lane Kiffin left in January of 2010. It was the safe move.

Yet a few things to say on your post.

First Hamilton is the reason we didn't going bowling in 2008 with the press conference and announcement leading up to the Wyoming game. So if Phil isn't fired that year, we likely go 6-6 with a bowl game. Not great, but not a losing season either.

Second in regards to recruiting, Phil had a top 5 class on the way with Tahj Boyd among others. We all know how they turned out when Kiffin ran them off.

Third, giving Phil the chance to make or break in 2009 would have likely returned to an improvement in wins by 3 games on average. After all, anytime he won 8 or less games in a season, he followed up the next season with a 3 win improvement on average.

I do think Fulmer hired the wrong OC in Clawson. I can't help but remember throwing the ball so many times vs UCLA when we had 3 work horses in the backfield.

I also think Fulmer would have been able to make staff upgrades after 2008 if told he has one year to get things right.

Additionally, his buyout was somewhat high given the day and age at 6 million. No way you give that extension to him to only fire him a year later.

 

[chef3531]

Agreed anybody that is claiming Phil is doing a crap job as the AD needs to GTFO imo. He's elevated the BB program and kept UCLA from buying Rick Barnes. He let go of Holly warlock in which should have happened a while ago and the baseball program had their best year in about a decade with a new coach in who he hired. Saturday was alarming and sure wished fulmer or Pruitt elaborated more on why the outcome happened but I don't think anything has changed with the way Pruitt approaches his job. If he didn't like it here he wouldn't have went out and upgraded the staff with the hiring of Chaney, tee, and Ansley. Now do they need to prove there worth? Sure but the fact that they got those big names in here showse he's willing to try to get this thing turned around. I will say though if they come out flat again on Saturday then this season could be very very ugly.

Rick Barnes said himself the numbers didn't add up or he would have been gone. Nice try though.

 

[JMSqb11]

Rick Barnes said himself the numbers didn't add up or he would have been gone. Nice try though.

And yet here we are with Tennessee paying their basketball coach 5 million+ a year...... In what world does that happen

 

[chef3531]

152–52 you're delusional. He tried to adapt his offense to a more modern style and was not given time to do so.

BS. He micromanaged the OC hires and wouldn't give them autonomy. That crap was his. Period. Get over the love affair with that fool. He cut his own throat. Such a great coach huh? How many coaching offers did he get after he was fired? Zero. Because everyone knew his days were over. Except for those wearing the orange colored glasses.

 

[VolsRule]

if phil takes over, how much salary will he demand?? The going rate is at least $6 million.