Fulmer Update, Possibly

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VOLARMY said:
Fulmer was one of the winningest coaches in the SEC or in the nation for that matter and he led UT to a NC . I think a LOT of schools would love to have him .
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Yes, his overall average is good, and he did bring a crystal football to Knoxville. I have already said this...1st ballot CFHOF coach.

Now...let's look at, say, his last 10 years.

Not quite as rosy, is it?

Send e-mails to those "LOT of" schools you think would "love to have him"...see if you get a response.

It's time for Phil, and you, to realize that his best years are behind him, and it's time to find another path. Both of you. FBS ain't his, and predicting his future clearly ain't yours.

Go Vols.
 
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westknox said:
You think that but the jury is still out on Fulmer getting a job, at all. He is never going to be in another high-profile program such as U.T. Perhaps that will sink in as time goes on and he realizes that he will just have to take a job anywhere to assuage his big ego. Plus, time isn't on his side. He is a graybeard approaching 60 and would be 60 if he is lucky enough to land a job for the 2010 season.
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True ,but Jo Pa and Bobby Bowden are a couple of pretty sucessfull graybeards . Wisdom comes with age .
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Yes, his overall average is good, and he did bring a crystal football to Knoxville. I have already said this...1st ballot CFHOF coach.

Now...let's look at, say, his last 10 years.

Not quite as rosy, is it?

Send e-mails to those "LOT of" schools you think would "love to have him"...see if you get a response.

It's time for Phil, and you, to realize that his best years are behind him, and it's time to find another path. Both of you. FBS ain't his, and predicting his future clearly ain't yours.

Go Vols.
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Yep he won the East in 2001 , Tied for first in 2003 , won the East in 2004 and won the East two years ago in 2007 . This is the toughest conference in college football and I think MOST schools would like this resume along with a NC . Are you sniffing glue
 
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VOLARMY said:
Yep he won the East in 2001 , Tied for first in 2003 , won the East in 2004 and won the East two years ago in 2007 . This is the toughest conference in college football and I think MOST schools would like this resume along with a NC . Are you sniffing glue
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And how many SEC Championships during that "glorious span"?

BCS Bowl wins?

Record against Top 25 teams?

Bowl record? (isn't that where we measure "national prominence"?)

Sorry to deflate your balloon, hoss, but while I was sniffing glue, Phil Fulmer was driving a once-proud UT football program straight into the ground.

You hang your hat on all those "SEC East Titles".

For me, "second best in the conference" just don't cut it.

Go Vols.
 
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VOLARMY said:
Yep he won the East in 2001 , Tied for first in 2003 , won the East in 2004 and won the East two years ago in 2007 . This is the toughest conference in college football and I think MOST schools would like this resume along with a NC . Are you sniffing glue
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Stay loyal, and proud. When Fulmer ends up at Louisville...or Louisiana Tech...or nowhere...stick with him.

You owe him that, right?

Go Vols.
 
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Your only on top for a season. all things come to an end. then a new begining comes you either believe or you sit in despare. by all indications it smells like team spirit to me. There is something in the air. Could it be the corner is about to be turned? The orange nation is out for revinge.Third and four. retig brings them to the line. He checks off with a long snap count. ball is snaped he drops back,blits is on, retig eludes one man and dances to the right. looking down field nothing open. heloops the ball to Brown out of the backfield. Brown to the outside ,he breaks a tackle. what a spin move ,are you kidding me? He breaks to the inside ,gets a block, he's at the 35, 30 ,25, 20, 15 runs over the safty 10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1,Give him 6. that is an espn highlite if there ever was one. touchdown tennessee.
 
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So "straight into the ground" is any program that does not win the CC in the toughest conference in the country, BCS bowl games, blow out top 25 teams, or have a perfect bowl record, eh? I would guess most programs don't have such extreme expectations or have learned (see Notre Dame, see Nebraska) to temper them in the modern era of the talent-rich programs harboring elite coaches and recruiters.

And how many SEC Championships during that "glorious span"?

None from 2001 to 2008. Same is true for 8 of the 12 SEC teams. Appeared 3 times. More than can be said for half the league.

BCS Bowl wins?

None. Only the teams that have won SEC championships have won those games, and only LSU & Florida have won more than 1.

Record against Top 25 teams?

Against top 10 teams: 4-11. Against teams ranked between 11 & 25: 12-13. Both pretty typical numbers for a team with an average ranking in the 15-20 category this decade. Wanna guess the win rate of EO at Ole Miss, or Monte at NC State, their respective HC gigs? Maybe LK at the Raiders? On-field coaching wasn't the problem; managing to recruit against the likes of UF, Bama, Georgia, LSU and the like without a regional talent base is. No team in the country has broken through that barrier this decade.

Bowl record? (isn't that where we measure "national prominence"?)

From 2001 to 2008, went 4-2, going 3-1 against ranked bowl opponents. Played on New Year's Day 4 out of 8 seasons, going 3-1 in those games.
 
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VegasVol said:
So "straight into the ground" is any program that does not win the CC in the toughest conference in the country, BCS bowl games, blow out top 25 teams, or have a perfect bowl record, eh? I would guess most programs don't have such extreme expectations or have learned (see Notre Dame, see Nebraska) to temper them in the modern era of the talent-rich programs harboring elite coaches and recruiters.

And how many SEC Championships during that "glorious span"?

None from 2001 to 2008. Same is true for 8 of the 12 SEC teams. Appeared 3 times. More than can be said for half the league.

BCS Bowl wins?

None. Only the teams that have won SEC championships have won those games, and only LSU & Florida have won more than 1.

Record against Top 25 teams?

Against top 10 teams: 4-11. Against teams ranked between 11 & 25: 12-13. Both pretty typical numbers for a team with an average ranking in the 15-20 category this decade. Wanna guess the win rate of EO at Ole Miss, or Monte at NC State, their respective HC gigs? Maybe LK at the Raiders? On-field coaching wasn't the problem; managing to recruit against the likes of UF, Bama, Georgia, LSU and the like without a regional talent base is. No team in the country has broken through that barrier this decade.

Bowl record? (isn't that where we measure "national prominence"?)

From 2001 to 2008, went 4-2, going 3-1 against ranked bowl opponents. Played on New Year's Day 4 out of 8 seasons, going 3-1 in those games. The record speaks for itself , Fulmer probably cut these guys off in traffic somewhere .
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If the past 10 years did not tarnish Fulmer's reputation, a stint at Vandy would. Why would they fire a coach that actually won a bowl game for them. Not to mention that it was their first appearance in about 30 years.
 
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VegasVol said:
On-field coaching wasn't the problem; managing to recruit against the likes of UF, Bama, Georgia, LSU and the like without a regional talent base is. No team in the country has broken through that barrier this decade.
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You're right Wyoming and UCLA were remarkably talented squads.
 
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Lexvol said:
You're right Wyoming and UCLA were remarkably talented squads.
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Lex is right. The knock on Fulmer was always that he did so little with so much talent. The man was an excellent recruiter up until two losing seasons made it hard for him to pull in the top guys.
 
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UTVOLSGURU said:
Hey guys, I was informed earlier this morning on the way to work by a local sports radio station that the rumor mill is in full blow with Fulmer on the mind. The rumor came out of Vanderbilt that they were trying to get negotiations up to sign Fulmer after this year if Bobby Johnson fails, Vanderbilt AD has reportedly said that he is tired of losing and Fulmer would be the ultimate move, very interesting I thought, this would be some crazy.
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they couldn't pay him enough to coach there. Will never happen. I would be shocked if he took any job in SEC. Has no interest in coaching against Tennessee
 
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The people defending Fulmer by bringing up the SEC Title game appearances are laughable. We got BLOWN OUT UF and Bama, and absolutlely backed our way into those games, Period.

Our program has been on a steady decline for the past 9 years or so. If you cant look at a lot of the losses last year and tell we were completely out coached in them (UCLA game) you are blind. CPF got 10 years of mediocrity out of the 1998 season, and that was plenty of time.
 
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Vandy just won a bowl game against one of the ACC's top schools in Boston College. They're coming off a successful bowl victory season. Why are they talking about coach replacement?...especially with Phil.
 
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UTVOLSGURU said:
Hey guys, I was informed earlier this morning on the way to work by a local sports radio station that the rumor mill is in full blow with Fulmer on the mind. The rumor came out of Vanderbilt that they were trying to get negotiations up to sign Fulmer after this year if Bobby Johnson fails, Vanderbilt AD has reportedly said that he is tired of losing and Fulmer would be the ultimate move, very interesting I thought, this would be some crazy.
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