Fulmer on his teams in a playoff era

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GRN1926 said:
You are clueless son, clueless. He said he would have been in the playoffs. Things change when your team knows it has chance at playoffs. 95 team was 1 loss, 97 team was 1 loss heading into bowl, right there are 2 more that would have been. 96 team would have taken care of memphis with a chance at playoff, there is 4. 01 team.. breaks my heart. Was a NC team, would have beat Miami
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I agree, teams play a lot different when they know there’s something bigger to play for. With a shot at playoffs, it’s likely they would’ve performed differently. Also, I think some of his teams that downright didn’t show up in some bowl games would’ve played differently since they would be more prestigious today.
 
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GAVol said:
Arkansas was screwy, but it was a turnover somewhat created by the defense. Syracuse was a 50/50 PI call at the end, but not real "miraculous". Other than that, what's the 3rd game?
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Arkansas wasn’t “screwy”....that game was won by a defensive player who refuses to concede defeat, called his shot, forces and then recovered the fumble....and our offense took the field and dominated Arkansas’ defense on the way to the winning touchdown.

As far as Syracuse, virtually all national title teams have games they win/survive due to taking advantage of the breaks they either made or were “given”.

And I agree with you on the “3rd game”....what “3rd game”?
 
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JoAllan said:
I personally love Phil

However he is wrong.

Tennessee would have been in the playoff 3 times.

95, 97, and 98

In 96 they were ranked 9th pre bowl


In 99 they were ranked 5th pre bowl.....with no chance to improve based on a playoff system.....two teams undefeated, Neb 11-1, and Bama beat FL in the championship game to drop FL and go ahead of Tennessee.


In 2001 Tennessee was 6th pre bowl. Tennessee could prove that with a playoff system but only as high is 5th because Miami was 12-0 with a conf win, Neb was 11-1 with a conf win, Colorado was 10-2 and 4th
before Tennessee lost to LSU.......best
Tennessee could do after the loss would been 5th.
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But keep in mind a lot of the other teams ranked higher wouldn’t have made it in today’s playoff because they now have conference championship games. In the years he mentioned only the big 12 had one besides the SEC and there’s didn’t start until 1996. So it’s possible he could be correct. Also Nevraska probably wouldn’t have went I’m 2001 after getting blown out in their championship game, we probably wouldn’t have that year either. But several other years would’ve been very interesting if the conferences had championships and were aligned like today.
 
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thehill98 said:
But keep in mind a lot of the other teams ranked higher wouldn’t have made it in today’s playoff because they now have conference championship games. In the years he mentioned only the big 12 had one besides the SEC and there’s didn’t start until 1996. So it’s possible he could be correct. Also Nevraska probably wouldn’t have went I’m 2001 after getting blown out in their championship game, we probably wouldn’t have that year either. But several other years would’ve been very interesting if the conferences had championships and were aligned like today.
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The 01 champ game was between Miami and Nebraska...so they would have been in a playoff.

Also the reasons they would only have 3 were stated in my post. One season they were 9th pre bowl.....too far down. Once they were 5th but with 3 conf champs and the #2 team Tennessee had nowhere to move up because they lost in their conf champ game. The other season they were 7th pre bowl but did not play in the conf champ game. While they could have moved up Bama would have taken the 4th spot as they beat FL.......the best Tennessee could have done was 5th.

Only 3 possible.....with how things played out.
 
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IndianapolisVol said:
Crazy how such a large portion of our fanbase still refuses to acknowledge how good of a coach he was. I hope we can get the program back to this level soon.
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While I agree Phil had a great run. I would argue that he was a much better recruiter than coach and understood the value of surrounding himself with quality assistants. No arguing, it was a history run but I think it was a result of simply "out talenting" everyone with decent game planning. Not taking anything away from Philippines because he understood the game is really about the Jimmy's and Joe's on the field and in the coaches booth. Similar to what Saban is doing at Bama. Oh what I wouldn't give for a coach with the understanding Fulmer had.
 
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JoAllan said:
The 01 champ game was between Miami and Nebraska...so they would have been in a playoff.

Also the reasons they would only have 3 were stated in my post. One season they were 9th pre bowl.....too far down. Once they were 5th but with 3 conf champs and the #2 team Tennessee had nowhere to move up because they lost in their conf champ game. The other season they were 7th pre bowl but did not play in the conf champ game. While they could have moved up Bama would have taken the 4th spot as they beat FL.......the best Tennessee could have done was 5th.

Only 3 possible.....with how things played out.
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You’re probably right about the three, but a playoff committee seems to pick somewhat differently than the polls, especially the bcs poll. I’m not sure about Nebraska in 01. The committee puts emphasis on conference champions, and thus far have not put in a conference championship game loser. Nebraska was destroyed by Colorado, in their champ game that year. We can only assume results from other conference champ games because there weren’t any. It was a strange year. They would’ve obviously had Miami and Colorado, they were easy. The other 2 teams would have been a lot of debate.
 
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IndianapolisVol said:
Crazy how such a large portion of our fanbase still refuses to acknowledge how good of a coach he was. I hope we can get the program back to this level soon.
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What is crazy to me is those that attend UT right now and for the last decade have never felt what a lot of us have. The Outback Bowl and a 9-3 season is the best they have seen. Even my son who is almost 13 is a die hard Vol Fan and other than stories from when I attended UT and went to every game, a National Championship and numerous SECCG experiences he still has no idea what it feels like to be a Vol during that era. I guess beating Florida and Georgia in the same year last year was the highlight for most people under 35-40 years old.

Yes people underestimate how great of a coach CPF was and even though his time was coming to a close, I am of the opinion the handling of him leaving is the single biggest contributor to the state of our program today.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
Yes people underestimate how great of a coach CPF was and even though his time was coming to a close, I am of the opinion the handling of him leaving is the single biggest contributor to the state of our program today.
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Tennessee, Mich, and Texas all did the same thing.......and all handled it badly.

If you (Tennessee) are going to replace a coach like Fulmer, you already have your guy.....the number 1 man you can think of...... Already set in stone before you let Fulmer go.
 
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JoAllan said:
Tennessee, Mich, and Texas all did the same thing.......and all handled it badly.

If you (Tennessee) are going to replace a coach like Fulmer, you already have your guy.....the number 1 man you can think of...... Already set in stone before you let Fulmer go.
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I agree with this completely. Unfortunately I believe they did this and thought Kiffin was the "guy",
 
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99gator said:
1995 yes
1996 no
1997 yes
1998 yes
1999 no
2000 no
2001 no

3 is more like it. 1995, 1997 and 1998 are the only seasons that Tennessee finished the season with less than 2 losses and/or inside
the top 4 prior to the bowl game.
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1999 TN might’ve have made it. They were fifth prior to bowls. However, VT and Fla St were 1 and 2, but would’ve played each other already in the conference champ game. Seeing how Fla St. beat them easily, they likely would not have included a champ game loser that just got beat badly. So we conceivebly could have gotten in
 
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HoptownVol said:
Oh my god, can this man be any more delusional? He won 2 SEC titles and lost with his best team in 2001 to a heavy underdog missing their QB and best back. Sorry Phil, this revisionist nonsense won't play with UT fans. :good!:
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Those were the good ole days!! How have theVols fared since this delusional coach? I sure look forward to getting back to those winning ways. I agree it was time to move on from Fulmer but it has been mediocre at best since his days.
 
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tennmartin said:
Those were the good ole days!! How have theVols fared since this delusional coach? I sure look forward to getting back to those winning ways. I agree it was time to move on from Fulmer but it has been mediocre at best since his days.
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From 1983 - 2007 (25 seasons) Tennessee won fewer than 9 games only 7 times......with 10, ten win or better seasons.

16 3 loss or less seasons, 10, 2 loss or less and 4 seasons with 1 loss or none.
 
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We were basically in a playoff in 2001 and choked it away. Stilll one of the most disappointing losses in my 55 years as a Vol fan.
 
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HoptownVol said:
Oh my god, can this man be any more delusional? He won 2 SEC titles and lost with his best team in 2001 to a heavy underdog missing their QB and best back. Sorry Phil, this revisionist nonsense won't play with UT fans. :good!:
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I wouldn’t call 2001 his best team...by quite a bit.
 
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PF spoke clearly about his recruiting and coaching up of tough mean guys on doug mathews show this morning. Said thats the number one thing it takes to win in the SEC and something our team hasnt had. Pretty indicitive of butch jones teams and why he never belonged here. After hearing how hoke is trying to toughen up this team im interested to see how the players respond.
 
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SandoVOL said:
PF spoke clearly about his recruiting and coaching up of tough mean guys on doug mathews show this morning. Said thats the number one thing it takes to win in the SEC and something our team hasnt had. Pretty indicitive of butch jones teams and why he never belonged here. After hearing how hoke is trying to toughen up this team im interested to see how the players respond.
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Butch had ZERO swagger. Every lame patsy we played was a "very, very good team" and according to Butch we would be lucky to beat anybody on our schedule. He NEVER came into a game saying "We intend to come in here and win this game." Or anything similar.
 
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HoptownVol said:
Wrong, Syracuse was a miracle we got that "50/50" call in the last seconds in the Dome. You conveniently forgot about the fumble Al Wilson covered in the end zone and the chip shot Florida missed to give us the OT win. I won't even get into the MSU game or drawing FSU's backup. And no, the Arkansas thing was not created by the defense. Sheez.
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That's great. Now tell me why I should give a ****. We won, they lost.
 
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