Fulmer Just BBQ'd Kiffin on CBS College Sports

[chuck0303]

He then destroyed that life and left our program in shambles, definatley worse than Fulmer.

Kiffin was one big fat mistake, he did nothing good for UT in the end. What good is getting good recruits if you break the rules to get them? If they leave in a year? If we get violations?

Fulmer did a lot of good for UT in his day, he led us to the SECC and an NC, that is all very good. Did he stay too long? Yes, but he LOVED this school and he bled orange more than most men. I don't think he was arrogant and that is why he stayed too long, he was at the place he wanted to be and loved what he was doing, he simply didn't want to lose the job that he loved.

Fulmer is right. If we had stayed with him instead of jumping on the Lane Train we wouldn't be in such a bad place now.

Would we be on the road to an NC? No, I don't believe that, I'm not even sure if we would have had a winning season under Fulmer.

But I can tell you what we wouldn't have. We wouldn't have had so much attrition among the players. We wouldn't have had the threat of violations hanging over our head and we wouldn't have had to start over from scratch for the third time in a row.

Can you honestly say that we were better off firing Fulmer and getting Kiffin? Look at where we are now!

I wouldn't have given a crap if Kiffin had lost every game as long as I didn't have to watch Fulmer's 1-2-3 punt run-out-the-clock philosophy another year. Fulmer was playing NOT to lose his job. He realized it much to late and his neglect of the program caught up with him. Very similar when Fulmer took over from Majors. Majors had been getting very conservative in his play calling and when Fulmer took over they started airing it out and taking chances resulting in 2 big wins over Florida & Ga. HOwever, after the NC game Fulmer started neglecting the program forgetting what it took to get there, and stay there. We backed in to the SEC CG with LSU and then got it handed to us because of Fulmer's gameplan and conservatism. All of you Fulmerites go right ahead and adore Phil, more rational people know the facts. Phil should get credit for what he did, by the same token the obvious neglect of the program should not be over-looked. How can you really say you want your kids (players) to emulate a coach that is supposed to promote fitness and is fatter than the Pillsbury dough boy & Michelin man put together? He had to wattle/roll on to the field. What an embarrassment to the University, and to himself. Supposedly, he has lost a lot of weight, and if so, good for him. But don't try to put him on a pedestal and disregard the demise of the program. Yes, he best FSU for the NC but then got whacked by them the next year or year before I forget. Hindsight is 20-20, let's move forward from here minus the Kiffin debacle and Fulmer. If you really want to destroy the whole athletic program then hire Fulmer for AD, a position he has no qualifications:realmad: for.

 

[thebjd]

Fulmer is really pathetic, as evidenced by that video. Had he did his job, recruit, coach, develop players then maybe he would have won more games and UT not have to kick him to a well-deserved curb. You can tell he's still so arrogant that he thinks he has to try to convince us what he "could have done". He could have done his job and still have it. Instead, he blew it (spelled FAILED), and now he is suffering the consequences. You know, kind of like us fans for the past 4-5 years of his coaching era.

You can't tell me Fulmer would have played Florida or Alabama that close last year; we would have gotten creamed. Give Kiffin, Monte, and those coaches and players credit for having the guys ready and for the players playing their hearts out. No more heck, darn, shucks, well, they looked good in practice (dumb-founded) excuses. Go get'em Dooley! GBO!:dance2:

Playing them close is still losing. I think we would have been about the same, just less excited about it.

 

[iuvol2012]

Explain exactly how it was unclassy.

Please.

I can't wait to drop the video bomb on you, if you say what I think you are going to say.

I watched video of the departure of CPF. His wife was scowling at the media the entire time. CPF was sobbing and most of the players were glaring at MH.

Now, what about it?

 

[kptvol]

It's easy to tell when you're beat, KPT.

You should try to disguise the "woodshed moment" a little better.

Go ahead and drop the video bomb so every can see how delusional your self-proclaimed victories really are.

 

[utgibbs]

I watched video of the departure of CPF. Vicky was scowling at the media the entire time. CPF was sobbing and most of the players were glaring at MH.

Now, what about this useless video?

Classless post.

But proof I was right. You have nothing.

 

[utgibbs]

Go ahead and drop the video bomb so every can see how delusional your self-proclaimed victories really are.

I can see no one is ready to go on the record on "classless."

Which, is to be expected, when YOU GOT CALLED.

 

[kptvol]

Classless post.

But proof I was right. You have nothing.

His post was 100% true.

 

[kptvol]

I can see no one is ready to go on the record on "classless."

Which, is to be expected, when YOU GOT CALLED.

It was classless as hell. A huge portion of VN has already been on the record stating that. Post the video that doesn't even show the period in question.

 

[iuvol2012]

Classless post.

But proof I was right. You have nothing.

What, because I watched the video and know what happened? Right :blink:

 

[NashVol11]

Classless post.

But proof I was right. You have nothing.

Go ahead and post the video, then. Can't wait to see you explain how Fulmer had magical shapeshifting powers and managed to take on the appearance of Bud Ford in order to spread his Almighty goodness.

 

[tigervol9802]

Ridiculous.

I love the 10-point loss to Auburn - probably the best SEC team this decade.

The GoF logic just blows up on itself.

2001 was a tough pill to swallow. It was probably always going to be hard to beat them twice. Has that ever happened in the SEC title game yet? Is that the only regular season rematch?

So hard to do Auburn did it with ease in 2004.

 

[bleedorange25]

I'm glad Fulmer isn't the Coach anymore, but I still really like the guy. I don't get some people in this fan base that go after him like they do. he does alot of charity work for North East Tennessee. the guy deserves better IMO.

Exactly... The man brought a championship to UT, and he loves this university. He deserves a hell of a lot more respect than what he gets from some of the people on here. I know there will be several excuses made as to why the NC had nothing to do with him and blah blah, but the bottom line is, he has done a million times more for UT than anyone on VN has ever thought about doing.

 

[tigervol9802]

Exactly... The man brought a championship to UT, and he loves this university. He deserves a hell of a lot more respect than what he gets from some of the people on here. I know there will be several excuses made as to why the NC had nothing to do with him and blah blah, but the bottom line is, he has done a million times more for UT than anyone on VN has ever thought about doing.

Like? What has he done for UT not in his job requirements?

And I'm still asking how that pledge he made has gone.

 

[VolDad]

Explain exactly how it was unclassy.

Please.

I can't wait to drop the video bomb on you, if you say what I think you are going to say.

You mean the 8 minute video of the 30 minute press conference.

I cannot wait to show you the video of Kennedy arriving in Dallas to prove that he was never assassinated.

While I was not there, Justin Groves trumps you every time.

 

[utgibbs]

So hard to do Auburn did it with ease in 2004.

That's a big !duh! on my part.

Auburn was probably the best team of the decade, but it wasn't easy.

I will say, the way they put it in the endzone after our comeback though was championship calibre stuff.

 

[utgibbs]

You mean the 8 minute video of the 30 minute press conference.

I cannot wait to show you the video of Kennedy arriving in Dallas to prove that he was never assassinated.

While I was not there, Justin Groves trumps you every time.

Not really.

Y'all already got called on your "Fulmer did nothing" stuff. Video evidence proved it.

The "Vicky glaring" and "Fulmer crying" and "players glaring" stuff is just even too childish to warrant discussion.

You got nuthin'.

 

[chuck0303]

Playing them close is still losing. I think we would have been about the same, just less excited about it.

Can't argue with a loss is a loss. But I really don't think too many fans have forgotten how fulmer had lost control of the football team. You don't remember how his players weren't paying attention on the sidelines, texting, talking on their phones, not really paying attention to what was happening on the field? Not just one game, the whole season. That was a big sign of a lack of discipline and a lack of respect for their coach. All Phil could do at that point was clap his hands with a big "Aw, shucks" look. It was way too late for him to try to turn the program around. We would have gotten killed by the Gators & Bama if Phil had still been there; there was blood in the water. What saved us from blow-out losses was a much tougher discipline, hard-work, some new recruits, purging some of those players who didn't want to conform to Kiffin's new way of doing things, Monte's defensive schemes & preparedness. We also know that injuries took a big toll last year. How many teams go through 3 middle linebackers in a season? Again, not saying the Kiffin era was perfect, but there's no way I believe Fulmer could have equalled or done better than Kiffin last year; IMO we would have had greater losses. You're entitled to you opinion, and I'm entitled to mine. Win or Lose, I fully support Coach Dooley and I don't expect miracles. We have a tough schedule, but like Kiffin, I do think Dooley will get the most out of the talent we do have. I'm a rabid fan like most of you but at the end of the day it's just a football game. (I keep trying to tell myself that--LOL). Trying to keep my blood pressure in check.:clapping:

 

[iuvol2012]

The "Vicky glaring" and "Fulmer crying" and "players glaring" stuff is just even too childish to warrant discussion.

You got nuthin'.

That is exactly how Fulmer's press conference went down. That is exactly what happened and you have ZERO evidence that shows otherwise.


GSM to me.

 

[VolDad]

Not really.

Y'all already got called on your "Fulmer did nothing" stuff. Video evidence proved it.

The "Vicky glaring" and "Fulmer crying" and "players glaring" stuff is just even too childish to warrant discussion.

You got nuthin'.

We have Justin Groves.

Nuff said.

 

[kptvol]

That's a big !duh! on my part.

Auburn was probably the best team of the decade, but it wasn't easy.

I will say, the way they put it in the endzone after our comeback though was championship calibre stuff.

You mean, the way our corners played 20 yards off the receivers and we rushed 3 linemen, allowing a freshman quarterback to shred us to pieces? Or do you mean the way we opted to kick the ball off to the 40 yard line? Which part was more "championship calibre"?

 

[bleedorange25]

Like? What has he done for UT not in his job requirements?

And I'm still asking how that pledge he made has gone.

Well... last I checked a NC was not a job requirement and let's not leave out all of the financial contributions and community work. He is also a great ambassador for UT. How many of those things have you done?

 

[kptvol]

Not really.

Y'all already got called on your "Fulmer did nothing" stuff. Video evidence proved it.

The "Vicky glaring" and "Fulmer crying" and "players glaring" stuff is just even too childish to warrant discussion.

You got nuthin'.

Sorry, everyone else on VN actually watched the video as it happened and doesn't need to see youtube clips to prove things. Fulmer gave a speech. During it, Vicky was glaring. He also answered questions, which is when she really got nasty. And of course, Mike Hamilton made a speech.

 

[kptvol]

Everyone tells me I was born in a hospital in East Tennessee, but since no video evidence exists I am forced to conclude my spaceship crash landed on this planet after Krypton exploded.

 

[utgibbs]

That is exactly how Fulmer's press conference went down. That is exactly what happened and you have ZERO evidence that shows otherwise.


GSM to me.

Wrong. You said classless.

And nothing about "people glaring and crying" is classless. In fact, I could debate you all day long on "glaring."

But they were childish, childish things to mention. So, who cares.

Yahtzee!

 

[iuvol2012]

Wrong. You said classless.

And nothing about "people glaring and crying" is classless. In fact, I could debate you all day long on "glaring."

But they were childish, childish things to mention. So, who cares.

Yahtzee!

OK. Go watch the clips on YouTube. Tell me how I am wrong. That assessment was dead on.