Fulmer is still in a "painful state"

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utgibbs said:
He would have won 9 games. No amount of arguing to the contrary can deny the data we've put forward many times.

It's a big data set with the most quantifiable metrics one can put to college football.

It's over, Rock!
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The SEC is way more competitive, screw the data. That's old data that doesn't reflect the new, more competitive SEC. He did not have his 'hunger' back and he was never going to win 9 games here again. Cold hard truth
 
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NYYVol said:
It hurts because he coveted a record that his "beloved" University would not let him meander his way to with 7-8 win seasons.
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this is true but i belive when this year is done wed love to have meanderd our way to 7 or 8 wins. i think we get 10 next year though. if a few things go our way.
 
#303
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utgibbs said:
I like Fulmer. I think when more of the VolNation gain life experience they will reflect far more positively on our second greatest coach, who, in truth, is probably responsible for our greatest run ever.

The pain, IMHO, is because Fulmer had regained his hunger after, admittedly, a couple of off-years. Think Michael Jordan and baseball. He knew in 2008 he was one player (his QB) from making an impact, he had hired a young-gun HC material to replace Cut, and he was on course to deliver a Top Five recruiting class again. Fulmer would have had us in the hunt and in the mix in 2009. And we'd be in a lot better position today as well.
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Question: why does Fulmer get credit for being "on course" for a top 5 class when his was somewhere around 10th, but Kiffin doesn't get the benefit of the doubt when his was headed for the top 3?

And a point about your silly little "data": As I've shown you before, the "data" that predicts Fulmer to win the East this season predicts Urban Meyer to win a national championship. How do both of those things happen?

Also, the data shows that Fulmer would not have beaten Meyer (ever) and, since we only won the East twice in 16 years without beating Florida, the data indicates that we could expect an SEC East "Championship" once every 8 years from here on out under Fulmer, with an actual win once every 16 years and zero victories over Florida. Do you like the future predicted by the data? I don't.
 
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He won a national championship, and that's all that matters. I agree it was time for him to go, but he did a whole hell of a lot for the program. There's no reason he shouldnt be held in high esteem by the fanbase. None. If you disagree, then go take a peek at that crystal football in our trophy case.
 
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SMU Vol said:
He won a national championship, and that's all that matters. I agree it was time for him to go, but he did a whole hell of a lot for the program. There's no reason he shouldnt be held in high esteem by the fanbase. None. If you disagree, then go take a peek at that crystal football in our trophy case.
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The 90's was great, but it was past time to go.
 
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SMU Vol said:
He won a national championship, and that's all that matters. I agree it was time for him to go, but he did a whole hell of a lot for the program. There's no reason he shouldnt be held in high esteem by the fanbase. None. If you disagree, then go take a peek at that crystal football in our trophy case.
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See Les Miles.
 
#309
#309
He did a lot to build it and in the latter years he did a lot to set us back. We're broke about even over his tenure
 
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#310
on the one hand.....he now knows how majors feels, on the other....let him be part of the program,,,he could recruit
 
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Weld said:
on the one hand.....he now knows how majors feels, on the other....let him be part of the program,,,he could recruit
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Great, we could add some Tajh Boyd and Aubrey Phillips types to bog down our roster some more.
 
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lylsmorr said:
He did a lot to build it and in the latter years he did a lot to set us back. We're broke about even over his tenure
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We hit highs with him but we were in much much worse shape when he left than when he took over.
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tigervol9802 said:
We hit highs with him but we were in much much worse shape when he left than when he took over.
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Very true. I don't think there's any denying that. Also, even though we're in worse shape now than when he left, at least it looks like we're on the right track.
 
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SMU Vol said:
He won a national championship, and that's all that matters. I agree it was time for him to go, but he did a whole hell of a lot for the program. There's no reason he shouldnt be held in high esteem by the fanbase. None. If you disagree, then go take a peek at that crystal football in our trophy case.
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Larry Coker and the fans of the U are laughing.

PS: after being fired at Miami he couldn’t even get a job at Rice (sound familiar)?
 
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SMU Vol said:
He won a national championship, and that's all that matters. I agree it was time for him to go, but he did a whole hell of a lot for the program. There's no reason he shouldnt be held in high esteem by the fanbase. None. If you disagree, then go take a peek at that crystal football in our trophy case.
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He is resposible for the state of the program today. That's all that matters to me.
 
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jlovevols said:
Very true. I don't think there's any denying that. Also, even though we're in worse shape now than when he left, at least it looks like we're on the right track.
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Maybe. I reserve final judgment on that until NSD.
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UTvolz9808 said:
miles did it with saban recruits fulmer did it with his own
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Miles will not get 17 years at LSU to try with his recruits. People in Louisiana are smarter than that.

Besides, Miles did it in a league that included Meyers, Saban, Richt, Tuberville, and Spurrier.

Fulmer did it in a league that included Spurrier, Dubose, Donnan, T. Bowden, and Scott.

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hmanvolfan said:
Yeah, I remember Jamal. Didn't he have a vacation at the correctional institute. Let's be real when reminiscing about heroes. NFL careers don't equal Volunteer careers in my book.
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What are saying? Lewis was THIRD on TN all-time rushers list when he left. We also lost Dwayne Goodrich for most of the Championship game, the Vols had to play 3rd string Gerald Griffin on Peter Warrick who was the best WR in college at the time. The Vols definitely had more holes to fill for the game, but you Noles fans can spin how you like!
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
I don't have to check the records to understand UT's history and tradition. I know that the "Tradition" was established by Neyland.

I'm beginning to think that you really don't know as much as you think.

Take a look at the overall record since 1891 and then tell me about this winning tradition.

1891-93 and 1896-87 student coached teams 5yrs 12-11-0 .522
1899–1900 J. A. Pierce 2yrs 9-4-1 .654
1901 George Kelley 1yrs 3-3-2 .500
1902-03 H. F. Fisher 2yrs 10-7-0 .588
1904 S. D. Crawford 1yr 3-5-1 .389
1905-06 J. D. Depree 2yrs 4-11-3 .305
1907-09 George Levene 3yrs 15-10-3 .589
1910 Andrew A. Stone 1yrs 3-5-1 .389
1911-15 Zora G. Clevenger 5yrs 26-15-2 .628
1916, 1919-20 John R. Bender 3yrs 18-5-4 .741
1921-25 M. B. Banks 5yrs 27-15-3 .633
1926-34, 1936-40, 1946-52 Robert Neyland 21yrs 173-31-12 .829
1935 W. H. Britton 1yr 4-5-0 .444
1941-42, 1944-45 John Barnhill 4yrs 32-5-2 .846
1953-54 Harvey Robinson 2yrs 10-10-1 .500
1955-62 Bowden Wyatt 8yrs 49-29-4 .622
1963 Jim McDonald 1yr 5-5-0 .500
1964-69 Doug Dickey 6yrs 46-15-4 .738
1970-76 Bill Battle 7yrs 59-22-2 .723
1977-92 Johnny Majors 16yrs 116-62-8 .645
1992-08 Phillip Fulmer 17yrs 152-52-0 .769
2009 Lane Kiffin 1yr 7-6-0 .583
2010 Derek Dooley 1 0-0-0 .000

22 coaches 110yrs 778wins 329losses 53ties winning % .693
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And I don't think you do either. Why don't you check your math on Fulmer's record, for instance. How do you arrive at a .769 winning percentage? Better check your incorrect calculation again. Your calculations are like your logic.
 
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