Fulmer is still in a "painful state"

#151
#151
I am still a fan of coach fulmers, beyond the nc, he and chavis put some respectable teams out there year in and year out. He was committed to tenn. I've heard about every scenario of why things went south. I think it's classes and clueless to attack him, as far as his monies, I don't remember him threatening to leave unless given a fat contract. He did what any of us would have done, accepted what was offered.
 
#152
#152
winchestervol63 said:
No doubt he was better than Majors. And Battle. But I personally think that half of the losses under CPF were completely avoidable.

I just saw many coaching decisions that I couldn't believe made any sense.

Y'all remember the Florida game where they blew the call in the endzone (who was the Fl receiver who didn't establish possession?). Anyway, early in the game, we had AJ Suggs at QB. Young and not great, but I thought he could do ok. Well, we had him throw a pass 40 yds ACROSS the field for what would've been a 2 yd completion. FL picks it off and walks 15 yds maybe for a TD. CPF thinks that's a conservative, safe play that just went bad. I say if you're gonna throw it that far and take that big a risk, at least throw it downfield. If you catch it, there's some real benefit. If they pick it off, it's not an automatic 6 at least. You just shouldn't EVER give a young, wide-eyed QB a chance to throw a pass like that. And you should have made that clear to the OC long before the game.

That's the sort of thing that aggravated me - predictable and avoidable results of bad decisions. We should've won that game - had a much better shot without that play.

No offense to you, brother. He's still the best UT coach since Dickey, at least. Just think he could've been much better and wish he had been.
Click to expand...

Interesting comparing him to Majors. Majors first few years were rough but his last years were better and improving, while the opposite was true with Fulmer. His first years were better and his last years were getting worse. If Fulmer was better than Majors, it would only have been because he won a NC and had a slightly better winning percentage. PF's last ten years were as good as UT's historical average, nothing better, while Majors last years were about the same.
 
#153
#153
fla said:
I am still a fan of coach fulmers, beyond the nc, he and chavis put some respectable teams out there year in and year out. He was committed to tenn. I've heard about every scenario of why things went south. I think it's classes and clueless to attack him, as far as his monies, I don't remember him threatening to leave unless given a fat contract. He did what any of us would have done, accepted what was offered.
Click to expand...

You don't remember it because no one offered him a fat contract. He could go nowhere else.
 
#156
#156
VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
That and the fact he doesn't have the money coming in like he used to. This means he can't eat as many donuts now.
Click to expand...

Oh, he still has an ample supply of money coming in. All jokes about his girth aside, wonder why he doesn't consider opening a restaurant in Knox and Nash. He has the name recognition and he wouldn't have to recruit, except for chefs.
 
#159
#159
sjrobert said:
Oh, he still has an ample supply of money coming in. All jokes about his girth aside, wonder why he doesn't consider opening a restaurant in Knox and Nash. He has the name recognition and he wouldn't have to recruit, except for chefs.
Click to expand...

Yeah I never thought of that. That would be a good idea. "Big Phils Donut Shop"- Where you come in skinny, and leave looking like me.
 
Last edited:
#160
#160
He coached us through one of the most successful times in the history of the program. He won a national championship and shed tears when he was forced out from the University he loved and served all his adult life.

Yes, he had some bad times, all coaches and teams do. That said, why can't you all leave the guy alone. He's gone from the team now and not a factor. The focus needs to be on rebuilding the program and getting it back on track.
 
#161
#161
sjrobert said:
Interesting comparing him to Majors. Majors first few years were rough but his last years were better and improving, while the opposite was true with Fulmer. His first years were better and his last years were getting worse. If Fulmer was better than Majors, it would only have been because he won a NC and had a slightly better winning percentage. PF's last ten years were as good as UT's historical average, nothing better, while Majors last years were about the same.
Click to expand...

I definitely agree that Majors was getting better at the end and Fulmer worse, no doubt. None at all.

Guess the NC and 13-0 year are just the trump cards for me. Majors conservative ways when ahead might have even been worse than CPF and that probably influences me too. I saw the tie with UCLA in whatever year, maybe 85 or so, where we were ahead 16 with maybe 8 minutes left. Sheesh. Also saw the 6-3 (or 9-6) debacle with bama when we went into the game scoring 30/game or more and remember the off tackle play on 3rd/8 to set up the game-losing (blocked) 45 yd or longer FG.

Should also disclaim that I was living in Alabama during the streak when they beat our rear ends, regular. Lived pretty hard back then, boys. Guess I hold all that agony against Johnny, also...lol.
 
#164
#164
winchestervol63 said:
No doubt he was better than Majors. And Battle. But I personally think that half of the losses under CPF were completely avoidable.

I just saw many coaching decisions that I couldn't believe made any sense.

Y'all remember the Florida game where they blew the call in the endzone (who was the Fl receiver who didn't establish possession?). Anyway, early in the game, we had AJ Suggs at QB. Young and not great, but I thought he could do ok. Well, we had him throw a pass 40 yds ACROSS the field for what would've been a 2 yd completion. FL picks it off and walks 15 yds maybe for a TD. CPF thinks that's a conservative, safe play that just went bad. I say if you're gonna throw it that far and take that big a risk, at least throw it downfield. If you catch it, there's some real benefit. If they pick it off, it's not an automatic 6 at least. You just shouldn't EVER give a young, wide-eyed QB a chance to throw a pass like that. And you should have made that clear to the OC long before the game.

That's the sort of thing that aggravated me - predictable and avoidable results of bad decisions. We should've won that game - had a much better shot without that play.

No offense to you, brother. He's still the best UT coach since Dickey, at least. Just think he could've been much better and wish he had been.

note: not considering Dooley due to having never coached a game. I like him, he's smart, and I think he can be very, very good. But remains to be seen at this point.
Click to expand...

I never said he was the best x's and o's guy. I remember thinking the same thing as you on a few calls over the years, so this is a fair statement.

The thing I don't get is the disrespect some have towards him.

And to your last statement, yeah I really like Dooley too. If he succeeds he could take over my top spot.
 
#166
#166
Tn had soooo much talent (nfl talent) under the fulmer regime.....for what? 2 sec titles and a NC. Too little too late.....good by fulmer!!!!!!
 
#167
#167
FLSTF-VOL said:
Really? Here is the record since 1965

1965 Doug Dickey 7 1 2
1966 Doug Dickey 7 3 0
1967 Doug Dickey 9 1 0

1970 Bill Battle 10 1 0
1971 Bill Battle 10 1 0
1972 Bill Battle 10 1 0

1977 Johnny Majors 4 7 0
1978 Johnny Majors 5 5 1
1979 Johnny Majors 7 4 0

1993 Phillip Fulmer 10 0 1
1994 Phillip Fulmer 8 4 0
1995 Phillip Fulmer 10 1 0

2009 Lane Kiffin 7 5 0
Click to expand...


I think DD's first 3 years will be more like Johhny's than Battle or Phil's...
 
#168
#168
sjrobert said:
UT played football long before 1965. Check the records for the entire history of the program to get the tradition. The tradition did not start with PF's spurt of success in the nineties. And given that the 45-5 record that made him some kind of hero in the eyes of his supporters, and that is an excellent record for a short period, his record for the last 8-10 years was no better than UT's overall winning percentage for its entire history. His conference record was also no better for that last decade, maybe actually a bit worse, than UT's all-time conference winning percentage.
Click to expand...

I don't have to check the records to understand UT's history and tradition. I know that the "Tradition" was established by Neyland.

I'm beginning to think that you really don't know as much as you think.

Take a look at the overall record since 1891 and then tell me about this winning tradition.

1891-93 and 1896-87 student coached teams 5yrs 12-11-0 .522
1899–1900 J. A. Pierce 2yrs 9-4-1 .654
1901 George Kelley 1yrs 3-3-2 .500
1902-03 H. F. Fisher 2yrs 10-7-0 .588
1904 S. D. Crawford 1yr 3-5-1 .389
1905-06 J. D. Depree 2yrs 4-11-3 .305
1907-09 George Levene 3yrs 15-10-3 .589
1910 Andrew A. Stone 1yrs 3-5-1 .389
1911-15 Zora G. Clevenger 5yrs 26-15-2 .628
1916, 1919-20 John R. Bender 3yrs 18-5-4 .741
1921-25 M. B. Banks 5yrs 27-15-3 .633
1926-34, 1936-40, 1946-52 Robert Neyland 21yrs 173-31-12 .829
1935 W. H. Britton 1yr 4-5-0 .444
1941-42, 1944-45 John Barnhill 4yrs 32-5-2 .846
1953-54 Harvey Robinson 2yrs 10-10-1 .500
1955-62 Bowden Wyatt 8yrs 49-29-4 .622
1963 Jim McDonald 1yr 5-5-0 .500
1964-69 Doug Dickey 6yrs 46-15-4 .738
1970-76 Bill Battle 7yrs 59-22-2 .723
1977-92 Johnny Majors 16yrs 116-62-8 .645
1992-08 Phillip Fulmer 17yrs 152-52-0 .769
2009 Lane Kiffin 1yr 7-6-0 .583
2010 Derek Dooley 1 0-0-0 .000

22 coaches 110yrs 778wins 329losses 53ties winning % .693
 
#170
#170
DMG said:
I never said he was the best x's and o's guy. I remember thinking the same thing as you on a few calls over the years, so this is a fair statement.

The thing I don't get is the disrespect some have towards him.

And to your last statement, yeah I really like Dooley too. If he succeeds he could take over my top spot.
Click to expand...

'It's not personal, Sonny. Strictly business'...:)

I don't disrespect him personally either. Just football philosophy disagreements and a yearning for what coulda been....lol.
 
#171
#171
The way I see it....Fulmer owes me a rebate on good money spent for home games sitting in the pouring rain getting our butts handed to us by Florida. He also owes me compensation for being heckled by FLA fans leaving Neyland stadium. I'm so glad hugs and kisses has left the building!!!!
 
#172
#172
Watching his press conference was painful for most fans of this team and university. I wish hrs hadn't hired Clawson and had w chance to turn it around. A good coach and even better man; he provided me with some of the most exciting moments of my sports life. I'll never forget 1998, Peyton, beating Bama a lot and too many other games to type on a phone. Godspeed Phil, time to move on and let go of the past...
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
#173
#173
sjrobert said:
I don't have the records handy, but I believe the last four years of Fulmer had more losses than any other four year period or it might have been second. Of course more games are played now than in years prior to 1970, still that isn't a good record to have.
Click to expand...

You really do need to do some research.
 
#174
#174
winchestervol63 said:
'It's not personal, Sonny. Strictly business'...:)

I don't disrespect him personally either. Just football philosophy disagreements and a yearning for what coulda been....lol.
Click to expand...

I wasn't necessarily talking about you boy:p
Just trying to have a rare good discussion on here.

I get what you're saying about "what could have been".
But at the same time, what we had was pretty darn good. Hell we would kill for that now.

For the record...I thought it was his time to go also. Although, I wasn't completely happy about it.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top