Fulmer in the Tennessean

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I've never been harshly critical of Fulmer other than critical of him being too loyal to his assistants, but his condescending attitude toward the fans is starting to wear on many I believe.
His quote from the Tennesean today:
"This staff and this football team, this staff particularly, has won a lot of football games here," Fulmer said. "I believe we know what we're doing. You address problems and try to get problems corrected as fast as you possibly can. We've had an unusual number of things that have happened to us."

Notice how he reiterates "this staff particulary" in the sentence to let everyone know his opinion and what he thinks of everyone else's opinion. If he makes one change on this staff after the season after making that statement he loses a lot of credibility in my opinion.

Fans should remember that quote, and if he gets rid of someone, JRS, Sanders, whoever, we should call him on it and say "hold on a minute, didn't you tell us that "this staff particularly has won a lot of football games and that you know what you're doing?" Hiring someone new would be the ultimate definition of hypocrisy considering he says that's not the issue.
 
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While I hope he is seriously considering all options, I'm not surprised at his comments.

What would you expect him to say? "I'm looking at changing the staff?" Obviously that can't be said even if it's true.

It's like a coach looking at another job. The press hounds them and asks if they are thinking about leaving. If they say yes, they're screwed -everyone jumps their sh*t, the press has a heyday and the team is screwed for the duration of the system. If they say no and then leave, everyone calls them a liar and hypocrite.

 
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Originally posted by TN125@Oct 12, 2005 7:17 PM
I've never been harshly critical of Fulmer other than critical of him being too loyal to his assistants, but his condescending attitude toward the fans is starting to wear on many I believe.
His quote from the Tennesean today:
"This staff and this football team, this staff particularly, has won a lot of football games here," Fulmer said. "I believe we know what we're doing. You address problems and try to get problems corrected as fast as you possibly can. We've had an unusual number of things that have happened to us."

Notice how he reiterates "this staff particulary" in the sentence to let everyone know his opinion and what he thinks of everyone else's opinion.  If he makes one change on this staff after the season after making that statement he loses a lot of credibility in my opinion. 

Fans should remember that quote, and if he gets rid of someone, JRS, Sanders, whoever, we should call him on it and say "hold on a minute, didn't you tell us that "this staff particularly has won a lot of football games and that you know what you're doing?"  Hiring someone new would be the ultimate definition of hypocrisy considering he says that's not the issue.
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He does his job man, he's not supposed to care what the media or fans say.....Even though it is nice to have the fans on your side, you shouldn't care.....You just got to keep doing your thing and that's what CPF is doing
 
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Originally posted by LadyinOrange@Oct 12, 2005 8:36 PM
His staff just needs a little bang in their ying yang.

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Originally posted by volinbham@Oct 12, 2005 8:52 PM
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I sincerely hope that doesn't mean something dirty.

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Originally posted by LadyinOrange@Oct 12, 2005 8:05 PM
I sincerely hope that doesn't mean something dirty.

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It made me read twice :naughty:
 
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Originally posted by volinbham@Oct 12, 2005 9:32 PM
While I hope he is seriously considering all options, I'm not surprised at his comments.

What would you expect him to say?  "I'm looking at changing the staff?"  Obviously that can't be said even if it's true.

It's like a coach looking at another job.  The press hounds them and asks if they are thinking about leaving.  If they say yes, they're screwed -everyone jumps their sh*t, the press has a heyday and the team is screwed for the duration of the system.  If they say no and then leave, everyone calls them a liar and hypocrite.
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Doesnt surprise me at all either. What would really surprise me though, is if were to make any changes to the staff, which I dont think will happen this year.
 
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Originally posted by TN125@Oct 12, 2005 6:17 PM
Notice how he reiterates "this staff particulary" in the sentence to let everyone know his opinion and what he thinks of everyone else's opinion.  If he makes one change on this staff after the season after making that statement he loses a lot of credibility in my opinion. 

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If PF gets rid of RS after the season, all I'm going to say is, "Hallelujah!" about a million times. Yes, he'd be a hypocrite, but I'd be too happy to see the back side of RS to say anything else.

Besides, I think "this staff particularly" was a nod to people who are calling for RS's head on a stick.
 
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Originally posted by TN125@Oct 12, 2005 8:17 PM
I've never been harshly critical of Fulmer other than critical of him being too loyal to his assistants, but his condescending attitude toward the fans is starting to wear on many I believe.
His quote from the Tennesean today:
"This staff and this football team, this staff particularly, has won a lot of football games here," Fulmer said. "I believe we know what we're doing. You address problems and try to get problems corrected as fast as you possibly can. We've had an unusual number of things that have happened to us."

Notice how he reiterates "this staff particulary" in the sentence to let everyone know his opinion and what he thinks of everyone else's opinion.  If he makes one change on this staff after the season after making that statement he loses a lot of credibility in my opinion. 

Fans should remember that quote, and if he gets rid of someone, JRS, Sanders, whoever, we should call him on it and say "hold on a minute, didn't you tell us that "this staff particularly has won a lot of football games and that you know what you're doing?"  Hiring someone new would be the ultimate definition of hypocrisy considering he says that's not the issue.
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Not so fast, my friend! Give this at least a little thought. Coach Fullmer is saying that this staff has won a lot of football games, and that is precisely true and very accurate. The fact are that it has won more than most (90%) teams in the entire nation.

Only an idiot would expect Coach Fullmer to make a public statement that he was going to fire one of his coaches. Even if he was considering such a move; to make such a public statement would a.) be unbelievably disrespectful of the coach in question, b.) wholly demoralizing for the team at midseason, c.) start a flash fire with the buzzards in the news media and d.) give the naysayers on this board more b#++ s**t to complain about.

I, like most of you, am not happy with the way this season is going. But, unlike some of you, I am not going to sit around and scrutinize every word or phrase that comes out of Fullmer's mouth with the hope of finding something to BITCH about.

Lets shut our adolescent, whining mouths and support this team for the rest of the season.

GO VOLS, BEAT BAMMER
 
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"Lets shut our adolescent, whining mouths and support this team for the rest of the season.

GO VOLS, BEAT BAMMER "

AMEN!!! PREACH ON , PREACH ON!!!!!
 
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Originally posted by TN125@Oct 12, 2005 7:17 PM
I've never been harshly critical of Fulmer other than critical of him being too loyal to his assistants, but his condescending attitude toward the fans is starting to wear on many I believe.
His quote from the Tennesean today:
"This staff and this football team, this staff particularly, has won a lot of football games here," Fulmer said. "I believe we know what we're doing. You address problems and try to get problems corrected as fast as you possibly can. We've had an unusual number of things that have happened to us."

Notice how he reiterates "this staff particulary" in the sentence to let everyone know his opinion and what he thinks of everyone else's opinion.  If he makes one change on this staff after the season after making that statement he loses a lot of credibility in my opinion. 

Fans should remember that quote, and if he gets rid of someone, JRS, Sanders, whoever, we should call him on it and say "hold on a minute, didn't you tell us that "this staff particularly has won a lot of football games and that you know what you're doing?"  Hiring someone new would be the ultimate definition of hypocrisy considering he says that's not the issue.
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That is the more incredible stretch I've ever heard. Not once in that comment did he mention, or even refer to the fans. Dude, you read what you wanted to read, not what he actually said. Sports is a time of "what have you done for me lately." It lives in the here and now. All he was doing was reminding people that UT has won as many games as any other college football team in the country while he has been there. Seems like a logical statement to me.
 
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Originally posted by therickbol@Oct 13, 2005 9:25 AM
That is the more incredible stretch I've ever heard. Not once in that comment did he mention, or even refer to the fans. Dude, you read what you wanted to read, not what he actually said. Sports is a time of "what have you done for me lately." It lives in the here and now. All he was doing was reminding people that UT has won as many games as any other college football team in the country while he has been there. Seems like a logical statement to me.
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98' sure does seem like a long time ago to me. Seven years ago. Anyone else?
 
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Sanders calls the 98 NC game in the Fiesta Bowl to perfection: He's a Genius; Fulmer looks for all the world like Vince Lombardi. Praise the Lord and pass the Tostitos Chips.

Vols come within a frog's hair of playing for the NC in 2001, Hallelujah; it's free beer and peanuts in all Knoxville bars. Pats on the back for Randy and the boys, Slammin' that Meatchikun Wolverines. We showed 'em how that pigskin is played down south, I reckon. Is your glass gettin' low Randy, here, more peanuts?

2002, The Future has arrived, and it's in the form of Kelly Washington. Feelings get hurt on the team and we played like a bunch of chumps. The Future cracked a bone and poor Casey couldn't find an open receiver with a search warrant. Gawd dangd amighty, it has to be Randy's fault. Hang the bum. Tear out his entrails and scatter 'em along Gay Street. Sumbit**.

2004: If we go 7-4 we'll be doin' purty good, don't ya' think? Why shore nuff, we'ze just ain't got no dadburn Quarterbacks. The Dog and Pony Show aka Phil and Randy put up 10 big wins, including a pummelin' of them Aggies (What do you get when you cross an Aggie with a billy goat? A weed eater what won't work. Insert laughter here) and the chorus of "The Boys Are Back In Town" can be heard waftin' over Cumberland Av.

Now, I said all of that to say this.

Every single one of those seasons that I just pointed out had very unique, different elements to them. But the one thing none of those good seasons had was bickering, and a slew of off-field problems.

People, we can point fingers everywhere we wish, but the one place we haven't pointed, other than me, the resident old fart, is that this team lacks discipline. This team does not lack ability, it does not lack talent, it does not lack physical toughness, and I'll go so far as to say this team does not lack for knowledge on the coaching staff. The same staff that, with just a break or two, could have given us a NC in 2001 is still on The Hill.

Now, whether it's the make-up of the kids we now have, or a let down by the staff in their disciplinary vigor, or a combination of both, you can't win football games without discipline.

I do not believe you can win championships when you've had as many young men on the wrong side of the law as we have had in the last year and a half.

Until we become a more disciplined team off the field we'll never show it on the field. You can't flip a switch and change from an undisciplined, rule-breaker off the field, and magically become a disciplined player on the field.

There, and there alone is where we need to look for answers. The coaches need to worry less about being their friend and more about being their leader, their mentor.

When you have kids who like AND respect you, there's no end to what you can accomplish.

I'm not so sold that it's a change in staff personnel we need as it is a change in attitude.

Tough, disciplined football players make good citizens.
 
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Originally posted by orangetd88@Oct 13, 2005 1:40 PM
Nevermind, you said none of the GOOD seasons listed had bickering...sorry.
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:nono: Get it straight now...
 
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Originally posted by OldVol@Oct 13, 2005 12:33 PM
Tough, disciplined football players make good citizens.
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Yeah. Like O.J. (cut and paste laughter from previous post)


No doubt that you have touched on at least ONE of the major problems we have right now. At some point, though, you have to look to those in charge of recruiting and coaching when the lack of discipline becomes so evident.

I still think there are other woes, as well, that need serious attention. Technique, for one -- from receivers, to punt coverage, to run blocking. Strength/conditioning -- see the OL, for example. The QB play/selection. The list could go on. . . .
 
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I'm pretty much with you except for the fact that our offense and special teams just don't get it done. How is it the defense can but the offense can't? The defense is part of the same team as the offense and special teams.
 
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Originally posted by LadyinOrange@Oct 12, 2005 9:36 PM
His staff just needs a little bang in their ying yang.

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Oh Lio, you made me read this three or four times... :dance2:
 
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You seem to forget the majority of the team that does not get into trouble off the field... the number of players on the team that already have graduated and are in graduate school.... a few bad apples does not equate lack of discipline for the entire team.... especially since most of the players with off the field problems are not on the team anymore.

I do think there are more mistakes being made on the field this season than last. Fulmer even said that the reason the Vols won so many close games in 2004 was due to minimizing mistakes. However, last year's team was running a "dumbed-down" version of the offense because of the freshmen quarterbacks. They are using the whole playbook this year which lends itself to more mistakes.

Georgia had just as many off-the-field offenders as Tennessee but they are still undefeated. I don't see how the off-the-field issues relate to on-field problems with playing football.
 
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I believe the fact that so many problems have occured points to a problem with the staff.

You can't baby-set these kids, but you can demand more from their behavior than we have been.

I believe it will show up on the field when young men are expected to be good citizens first.

We can all point to anomalies.

The 95% of our team who are doing the right things have to be frustrated with the 5% who aren't.

We need look any further than Daniel Brooks. Daniel was constantly into trouble, not just with the law, but breaking curfew and such.

When you're abiding by the curfew, staying out of the places you should, and not being a problem, you can't tell me that it is not a source of disunity when you have too large a number of your peers who are ignoring the rules. When you have a team meeting and establish your goals, commit to each other to do the right things, then a large number of guys break that committment, it has to divide.

You'll always have at least one who gets into trouble. This team has had around 9 players who have brought negative attention.

It's the staff's place to put it right.
 
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Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Oct 13, 2005 12:44 PM
Yeah.  Like O.J.
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Smarty pants!

There's always an exception you can point to.

You can't tell me you'd rather have a talented player who gets into trouble as opposed to one who doesn't.

Negative attention is like a cancer on a football team. It almost always has an effect that is seen on the field.

When players commit to one another to do the things that are needed to win championships, and several break that bond, it has to cause problems.

 
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What context was this quote taken from? Was this an answer to a question or what? The man is defending his job. It is the equivalent of a engineer telling a surgeon how to do bypass. Anyone of us would do the same if someone else outside of your field of expertise is trying to tell you what to do. Plus, you can't come out and say, "Yeah, Randy has had a hard time this season with the offense. I hope he can turn it around or we will have to take action." It will destroy the team to demorilize ANY coach at this point. Just my opinion.
 
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Originally posted by LadyinOrange@Oct 12, 2005 8:36 PM
His staff just needs a little bang in their ying yang.

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YEAH BABY! I have no idea what that means but it sounds good :devilsmoke:
 
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