Fulmer has a worse record over the past 7 yrs

[WA_Vol]

Liper posted this great link in another post:

http://tennessee.scout.com/2/463393.html

Its a good article and I made a separate topic on the stats for each of UT's last 3 coaches over their last 7 seasons.

Phil Fulmer 59-25 (1999-2005)

Bill Battle 59-22-2 (1970-1976)

Johnny Majors 60-20-5 (1986-1992)

Majors won 3 sec championships and was 5-1 in bowl games during this time. Including wins in 2 sugar bowls and a cotton bowl.

Fulmer is 2-6 in the post season, with 2 losses in SEC title games and losses in 2 peach bowls to 2 acc teams by a total of 57-17.

Fulmer has the worst record of the 3 and both Bill Battle and Majors were fired.

 

[Vol67]

Stop right there hoss! Don't even try that! You must first remove Battles 1 3 years since they were Dickey's players while the years you have for both Fulmer and Majors are with all their recruits.

Battle was 28-17-2 with his players and that is why he was FIRED!

 

[GAVol]

Fulmer also isn't extremely abrasive and hasn't publicly derided the administration or taken his contract demands public.

 

[Liper]

Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 8, 2005 7:06 AM
Fulmer also isn't extremely abrasive and hasn't publicly derided the administration or taken his contract demands public.

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Yep. Fulmer is a very guarded person by nature. I think he is very vanilla in his public comments because he has seen how quickly it can turn - like you said about Majors - when the wrong people are a little peeved.

 

[Freak]

Battle's record got worse every year that he coached. He never won more games that he won the year before.

 

[donsargegolf]

The record speaks for itself. What do we want? Wins/discipline or Losses/no discipline. The buck stops on CPF's desk!

 

[allvol]

Bill Battle

1970 11-1 (2-0 vs Ranked) lost to unranked Auburn
1971 10-2 (2-2 vs Ranked)
1972 10-2 (2-1 vs Ranked) lost to unranked Auburn
1973 8-4 (1-2 vs Ranked) Lost to unranked Georgia & Ole Miss
1974 7-3-2 (1-1-1 vs Ranked) lost to unranked Auburn & LSU, tied Vandy
1975 7-5 (1-2 vs Ranked) lost to unranked N. Texas St, Ole Miss, & Vandy
1976 6-5 (0-2 vs Ranked) lost to unranked Duke, Auburn & Kentucky

If Bill Battle got two 5-loss seasons in a row which included a loss to North Texas State..... and to be honest 4 subpar seasons in a row... then I definately think Fulmer should get more time too.

I have faith that Fulmer will make the right hires and with the talent returning next season... he'll have the Vols in contention for the national championship.

 

[Liper]

Originally posted by allvol@Nov 8, 2005 12:55 PM
Bill Battle

1970 11-1 (2-0 vs Ranked) lost to unranked Auburn
1971 10-2 (2-2 vs Ranked)
1972 10-2 (2-1 vs Ranked) lost to unranked Auburn
1973 8-4 (1-2 vs Ranked) Lost to unranked Georgia & Ole Miss
1974 7-3-2 (1-1-1 vs Ranked) lost to unranked Auburn & LSU, tied Vandy
1975 7-5 (1-2 vs Ranked) lost to unranked N. Texas St, Ole Miss, & Vandy
1976 6-5 (0-2 vs Ranked) lost to unranked Duke, Auburn & Kentucky

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Allvol,

I'd like to see the same schematic overlayinf Fulmer's record since 2000. Think you could put that up?

 

[allvol]

2000 8-4 (2-3 vs Ranked) lost to unranked LSU (OT)
2001 11-2 (4-1 vs Ranked) lost to unranked Georgia
2002 8-5 (0-5 vs Ranked)
2003 10-3 (2-1 vs Ranked) lost to unranked Auburn & Clemson
2004 10-3 (3-2* vs Ranked) lost to unranked Notre Dame
2005 3-5 (1-4 vs Ranked) lost to unranked South Carolina

*both losses to Auburn

 

[smokedog#3]

better watch out oklavol people don't like when you talk facts about phil, eventhough your right.

 

[volmanjr]

how can you look at the last 2 posts and say he is right? Battle lost to 12 unranked teams Fulmer lost to 6, Battle was consitantly worse each yr Fulmer's ship sailed into 3 10+ seasons and this yr is the only severely bad season, Majors was the HC but Fulmer was OC for most of those great "Johnny" yrs.... the man deserves some time to turn things around. I wouldn't be suprised if it happens next yr.

 

[cd12]

What ever happened to Battle when he left UT?

 

[donsargegolf]

Originally posted by crimedawg12@Nov 8, 2005 3:37 PM
What ever happened to Battle when he left UT?

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He founded a Liscensing business for Collegiate logo's and has made a ga-zillion dollars. Probably thanks Woodruff and UT daily! lol:

 

[allvol]

Originally posted by smokedog#3@Nov 8, 2005 3:23 PM
better watch out oklavol people don't like when you talk facts about phil,  eventhough your right.

]Phil Fulmer 59-25 (1999-2005)

Bill Battle 59-22-2 (1970-1976)

Johnny Majors 60-20-5 (1986-1992)​

Johnny Majors 56-22-3 (1986-1992) correct record

Phil Fulmer 59-25 (1999-2005) with 3 possibly 4 games remaining in this season!

Bill Battle 59-22-2 (1970-1976) shouldn't the loss to North Texas State count as more than 1?

Majors won 3 sec championships and was 5-1 in bowl games during this time. Including wins in 2 sugar bowls and a cotton bowl.

Majors only won 2 SEC Championships from 1986-1992. And one of those was a 3-way tie in 1989. The 1990 championship was due to Florida being on probation. There was no SEC Championship game at the time.

He was only 4-1 in bowls his final 7 seasons because he was 5-6 and did not go to a bowl in 1988. He did not coach the Hall of Fame Bowl after the 1992 season and is not credited with that win either. His victories include the Liberty Bowl win over unranked Minnesota, and a Peach Bowl win over unranked Indiana. Really two of the worst bowl opponents the Vols have EVER faced. The 1 loss in the bowl game was a 42-17 loss to Penn State. The Sugar Bowl victory was over unranked Virginia and the Cotton Bowl victory was over 10th ranked Arkansas.

Fulmer is 2-6 in the post season, with 2 losses in SEC title games and losses in 2 peach bowls to 2 acc teams by a total of 57-17.

You can only play 7 bowl games in 7 seasons. Fulmer is 2-4 in bowls the last 7 seasons (haven't played the bowl game yet this season). The 2 wins were in the Cotton Bowl and Citrus Bowl over 22nd ranked Texas A&M and 17th ranked Michigan. Losses were to 3rd ranked Nebraska (Fiesta), 11th Kansas State (Cotton), 20th Maryland (Peach), and unranked Clemson (Peach).

Fulmer has the worst record of the 3 and both Bill Battle and Majors were fired.

Bill Battle was fired for losing 6 straight times to Alabama, losing to North Texas State, and generally fielding poor teams his last 3 seasons at UT.

Majors was fired for various reasons, none of which was his overall record.​

 

[smokedog#3]

okay volmanjr i can see your point, but what if fulmer finishes as i predict 7-4 next year would it be time for him to go then or do you give him another year, when the team is showing no signs of improvment on the offensive side of the ball. there records are getting pretty similiar.

 

[volmanjr]

1st of all lets wait and see what actually happens next yr then ask me but for now I say he has earned some time to right the ship.

 

[allvol]

Originally posted by smokedog#3@Nov 8, 2005 3:48 PM
okay volmanjr i can see your point,  but what if fulmer finishes as i predict 7-4 next year would it be time for him to go then or do you give him another year, when the team is showing no signs of improvment on the offensive side of the ball.  there records are getting pretty similiar.

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I think when Fulmer starts losing to unranked teams like Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Duke, and North Texas State on a regular basis like Battle did his last 3 years, then he will go.

 

[Low Country Vol]

Battle was a Bama Grad and played under the Bear. When he starts losing to bama every season that does not sit well with the fan base. Battle was never embraced by Vol Nation.
Hell, Some sent a moving van to his house after they lost to Bama one season.

 

[Low Country Vol]

I know some here are over protective of Fulmer and sensitive to any criticism of him. However, we need to be objective. I think the next two years will determine his fate and the direction of the program. I give him credit that he finally sees the big picture and is making staff changes after the teams decline since 1999. There is a sense of arrogance on these teams. Discipline and in your face coaching is needed. Zero tolerance for the law breakers with immediate dismissal from the team. No more assaulting players and and bouncing the basketball around him and only getting a 3 game suspension. Now that falls on Fulmer not sanders.

 

[Vol67]

Originally posted by smokedog#3@Nov 8, 2005 4:23 PM
better watch out oklavol people don't like when you talk facts about phil,  eventhough your right.

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He is a long way from being correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TVTT]

Well Tennessee has played a much tougher non-conference schedule under CPF than was ever played under coaches Battle/Majors. Also some of the SEC brethen have gotten a wee bit stronger in the last 5-6 years as well.

 

[Liper]

Originally posted by allvol@Nov 8, 2005 2:12 PM
2000 8-4 (2-3 vs Ranked) lost to unranked LSU (OT)
2001 11-2 (4-1 vs Ranked) lost to unranked Georgia
2002 8-5 (0-5 vs Ranked)
2003 10-3 (2-1 vs Ranked) lost to unranked Auburn & Clemson
2004 10-3 (3-2* vs Ranked) lost to unranked Notre Dame
2005 3-5 (1-4 vs Ranked) lost to unranked South Carolina

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Interesting figures.

VS RANKED .429
UNRANKED LOSSES 6 OR AVG 1/SEASON
OVERALL RECORD 50-22 OR .694
AVG LOSSES SEASON 3.5+
CHAMPIONSHIPS 0
TOP 10 FINISHES 1
BCS BOWL WINS 0

I'm not for firing Fulmer. I'm merely pointing out that there has been a decline and that his record is not particularly impressive of late. Frankly, aside from the golden horsehsoe year of '98. he has struggled with people running the show not named Peyton.

 

[Fayettevol]

On a brighter note:
Fully realizing that some of you will disagree, I personally think it speaks well of UT that we have had only three HCs in 36 seasons of play.

 

[Liper]

Originally posted by allvol@Nov 8, 2005 3:55 PM
I think when Fulmer starts losing to unranked teams like Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Duke, and North Texas State on a regular basis like Battle did his last 3 years, then he will go.

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I think your stats showed he has already done that. BTW, the '96 loss to Memphis is as bad as N TEX ST...and we had Peyton Manning as our QB and were in the NC hunt.

No other coach in TN - that I am aware of - has suffered a more humiliating upset than Fulmer.

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by Liper@Nov 8, 2005 4:46 PM
I think your stats showed he has already done that.  BTW, the '96 loss to Memphis is as bad as N TEX ST...and we had Peyton Manning as our QB and were in the NC hunt.

No other coach in TN - that I am aware of - has suffered a more humiliating upset than Fulmer.

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That loss along with the loss to an outmanned LSU team in the SEC championship (with a chance to play in the NC game) should be aterisks on his legacy.