Fulmer deserves complete respect (merged)

#151
#151
vol_in_ar said:
Dave Clawson didn't cost us anthing the last nine years, but he's costing us plenty this year
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Cpf hired him, so even if it was all Clawson's fault (which it isn't) then Fulmer still shoulders a good bit of the blame.

Also Joe Pa has beaten Tennesse several time in the cpf's tenure. Many times he did it with less talent than Tennessee had too. Ten years of decline is enough.
 
#152
#152
vol_in_ar said:
I'm trying to compare the situtaion/criticsm Joe Pa faced a few years ago with what Phil's going thorugh now.

and How Joe Pa, persevered,

look at Penn State now, undeated ranked #3, and given remaining schedules has the best shot at staying unbeaten
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What is your obsession with Joe Pa? I am pretty sure that he is not on our short list. :)
 
#153
#153
I'm just comparing the 2 situations

since Fulmer will probably be here a few more years, Joe Pa's and example where the program got turned around and is back on track
 
#154
#154
vol_in_ar said:
I'm just comparing the 2 situations

since Fulmer will probably be here a few more years, Joe Pa's and example where the program got turned around and is back on track
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I think we all know that Joe Pa is not running the show at Penn State anymore.
 
#157
#157
vol_in_ar said:
I'm just comparing the 2 situations

since Fulmer will probably be here a few more years, Joe Pa's and example where the program got turned around and is back on track
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Fulmer is obviously dictating how this offense is run, and, no, he won't be back next year. If Hamilton and the BOT want to completely lose the fan base, then they should keep Philmer around.
 
#159
#159
The statement about Paterno not running the show has more to do with the fact that Paterno spends a bunch of time in the booth and doesn't wear a headset or anything.
 
#162
#162
tvolsfan said:
The statement about Paterno not running the show has more to do with the fact that Paterno spends a bunch of time in the booth and doesn't wear a headset or anything.
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tvolsfan said:
I should also add that I'm not sure he ever wore them.
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he broke his leg earlier this year, so he was in the box instead of on the sideline with crutches
 
#164
#164
I follow 3 rules of engagement, in exchanges with you
1) admit nothing
2) deny everything
3) make counter accusations

:)
 
#167
#167
CanadianVol said:
I have no doubt that we should respect Phil for what he has given us over the last 18 years, but now it's time for him to respect us and notice the game has passed him by. He needs to gain some class and dignity and step down. Being run out of town by boosters and fans alike will not leave a very good light on his time as a Vol
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"Fulmer needs to up-class, grab a handful of dignity and step aside now. He will eventually be tarred, feathered; he will have to be run out; it's only a matter of time. But Phil has always been hard-headed and this time, it will do him a sordid and well deserved note in history." poosey, May, 11, 2000
:no:
 
#168
#168
poosey said:
"Fulmer needs to up-class, grab a handful of dignity and step aside now. He will eventually be tarred, feathered; he will have to be run out; it's only a matter of time. But Phil has always been hard-headed and this time, it will do him a sordid and well deserved note in history." poosey, May, 11, 2000
:no:
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wow, from 2000 you've been on the bandwagon for awhile
 
#169
#169
7IlikeOrange7 said:
I have never seen so many ignorant people in all my life. People making fun of Fulmer because of his weight or anything else is crazy to me. I realize many people can make the argument that the game has passed him by. And I can't say that from the looks of things I can't totally dissagree. But nobody realizes that without Fulmer NON of the success over the last 18 years would have happened. This man brought this program up and the greatest heights of Tennessee Football have been accomplished by Fulmer. I know people are frustrated but I just don't understand how some can take shots at him like this. In my opinion, he is to be commended and completely respected regardless of how things unfold based on what he has done for UT. I fully support him and I wish others could really put everything in perspective. GO VOLS!!
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The most similar situation that I can think of with regards to Fulmer right now is that of Denny Crum, former UofL basketball coach. Coach crum brought the program to national prominence in the late 70's and early to mid 80's. Then the program started to fall off. It fell off in a similar way that UT has fallen off: a slowly declining curve with an occassional upward spike (i.e. decent year). The fan base definitely became split on Crum into two different camps.

In camp A, you had the "Crum made this program what it is, and he can get it back to prominence" argument. Camp A would also look to a relatively recent decent season and latch onto that as support for the idea that Crum could still get it together.

In camp B, it was the "Crum may have made the program, but he is letting slip from prominence before our very eyes" argument. Camp B would dismiss the occassional upward spike year and would instead focus on the state of the program as a whole and where it was relative to where it had been 10 years ago.

Luckily for UofL fans, a perfect replacement came along: Pitino. Realizing that Pitino was the perfect guy for the job, and recognizing that Crum's best days were behind, the AD nudged Crum out the door firmly but politely. He was given a front office position and a halftime ceremony in tribute to his career and what he had done for the program.

I think this is really very similar to what we have right now with Fulmer. Fulmer unquestionably brought this program to an elite level of prominence. Fulmer has also unquestionably allowed the program to slip out of the prominence he helped create.

I am in camp B. I respect Fulmer. I respect what he's done. But his best days are behind him. He will never be able to bring the program back to that level.

So I agree with the thread-starter. Fulmer deserves respect. But Fulmer also deserves to be shown the door.
 
#170
#170
7IlikeOrange7 said:
I have never seen so many ignorant people in all my life. People making fun of Fulmer because of his weight or anything else is crazy to me. I realize many people can make the argument that the game has passed him by. And I can't say that from the looks of things I can't totally dissagree. But nobody realizes that without Fulmer NON of the success over the last 18 years would have happened. This man brought this program up and the greatest heights of Tennessee Football have been accomplished by Fulmer. I know people are frustrated but I just don't understand how some can take shots at him like this. In my opinion, he is to be commended and completely respected regardless of how things unfold based on what he has done for UT. I fully support him and I wish others could really put everything in perspective. GO VOLS!!
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Here is the true perspective, Fulmer has a job that pays him $39,000 a week! Given the current economy that would be a job to do your very best to secure which means winning. Spurrier brought the gators life then left and it appears to me that Urban Myers from the WAC is doing fine. Fulmer can be replaced and we can get back to being an elite program. It pained me to use the gators as an example but it is true.:banghead2:
 
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