Fulmer Debate II

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utvolpj said:
he was coach for 16yrs. He went his last decade without a title. The sand just ran out in the hourglass he flipped in 98
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You all act like winning a championship, much less two, in real life is as easy as it is on NCAA. It isn't. How many coaches have multiple titles in the BCS era? Two, Meyer and Saban. It isn't normal. People can't understand that.
 
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whobethis16 said:
You all act like winning a championship, much less two, in real life is as easy as it is on NCAA. It isn't. How many coaches have multiple titles in the BCA era? Two, Meyer and Saban. It isn't normal. People can't understand that.
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Richt has 2 and a few different SEC coaches have 1 in that time

how many coaches at top programs are given a decade without bringing home a conf title?
 
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#203
Yeah, but. Fulmer should have went 204-0 instead of 152-52. That might have brought the FH's over to the good side. Who knows, maybe they'd even have settled for 177-25?
 
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whobethis16 said:
Man, 1986 and 88 must've been Hell for you, especially after that 85 year. But, Majors was given ample time to actually get things fully corrected, yet Fulmer wasn't.
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2002-2208 is plenty of time to make corrections, it only got worse.

1986 record was 7-5
1988 record was 5-6

1989 11-1 SEC Champions
1990 9-2-2 SEC Champions

1991 9-3

1992 Fired after having heart surgery during early season.
Not many coached that have a 29-6-2 record their last 3 years with 2 conference championships finishing 5th, 7th and 15th in final national polls,get fired.
 
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#206
114VOL said:
Yep. After coming one game from playing for the national championship the previous season and a preseason rank of #4 makes it an awful season.

Nice to see like most ignorant University of Fulmer fans, you have zero reasoning skills and base your debate on nothing more than emotion
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Ignorance is weighing preseason rankings....
 
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Gramps said:
2002-2208 is plenty of time to make corrections, it only got worse.

1986 record was 7-5
1988 record was 5-6

1989 11-1 SEC Champions
1990 9-2-2 SEC Champions

1991 9-3

1992 Fired after having heart surgery during early season.
Not many coached that have a 29-6-2 record their last 3 years with 2 conference championships finishing 5th, 7th and 15th in final national polls,get fired.
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I don't have an opinion on this great debate but would like to point out some facts. Coach Majors never won an unconditional SEC championship at UT. In 1985 UT tied with the team that beat us (FL) but we got the Sugar Bowl due to FL's probation. Without the probation, FL is the Sugar Bowl rep. In 1989 UT was in a three way tie with Bama and Auburn. Each team went 1-1 against the other. Bama got the Sugar Bowl bid because they are Bama. In 1990, FL had a better record than UT (6-1 vs, 5-1-1) but UT got the Sugar Bowl because FL again preferred the probation route. Both Fulmer's SEC championships were clean and clear. Better record both times with no tie-breakers, plus playing and winning an additional SEC game (championship game). Majors had no opportunity at losing a championship game as Fulmer did three times (2001, 2004, 2007).

Carry on.
 
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utvolpj said:
Richt has 2 and a few different SEC coaches have 1 in that time

how many coaches at top programs are given a decade without bringing home a conf title?
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Last time I checked, "top of the college football world" means winning national championships, which is what I was referring to.

Yes, going 10 years without winning an SEC championship sucks. Never denied that. However, it is completely wrong to say that Tennessee has been irrelevant in the conference when they went to the championship game every 3 years. UGA went 11 years without even playing for it, then 6 years again without playing for it. Florida went 6 years without playing for it. Bama went 9 years without playing for it. LSU went 10, and USC went 19. We are now possibly looking at 10 YEARS without playing for it. You happy with that?
 
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Gramps said:
2002-2208 is plenty of time to make corrections, it only got worse.

1986 record was 7-5
1988 record was 5-6

1989 11-1 SEC Champions
1990 9-2-2 SEC Champions

1991 9-3

1992 Fired after having heart surgery during early season.
Not many coached that have a 29-6-2 record their last 3 years with 2 conference championships finishing 5th, 7th and 15th in final national polls,get fired.
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So, you accept the 7-5, but not the 8-5 and then 10 wins after that, nor the 10 after that. And you forgot "Co-champions" for 1989, and lucking into the 1990 championship by Florida being on probation. You also say you wanted Fulmer fired after his 5-6 year in 2005, but accept Majors' crappy 5-6 year. Double standards much?
 
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whobethis16 said:
Well, damn, I guess 2007 Florida should've fired Meyer because he did the exact same thing after winning the championship.
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Talking about knee-jerk reasoning. It's ok. I know you don't know any better.

Meyer won another national championship after the 2007 season. 2007 was Meyer's third year at Florida. Compare what he did after winning the national championship in 2006 and what Fulmer did after winning the national championship in 1998 and then get back to me. REASONING SKILLS.....Phil was given plenty of chances to after that dismal coaching job in 2002 and NEVER again put the Vols in the national championship race
 
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whobethis16 said:
Man, 1986 and 88 must've been Hell for you, especially after that 85 year. But, Majors was given ample time to actually get things fully corrected, yet Fulmer wasn't.
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At least Majors left a buttload of talent and depth when he was terminated. Fulmer can't make that claim. The 1992 roster was miles better than the 2008 team in terms of talent and depth.
 
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govols/cc said:
Ignorance is weighing preseason rankings....
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I forgot more about it on my worst day than you will ever know about it on your best day. Your ignorance is not having an appropriate response to the dismal 2002 season from a team that was chock block full of NFL players. If that doesn't sink into your shallow skull just remember the fact that we were one game away from playing for the national title in 2001
 
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114VOL said:
Talking about knee-jerk reasoning. It's ok. I know you don't know any better.

Meyer won another national championship after the 2007 season. 2007 was Meyer's third year at Florida. Compare what he did after winning the national championship in 2006 and what Fulmer did after winning the national championship in 1998 and then get back to me. REASONING SKILLS.....Phil was given plenty of chances to after that dismal coaching job in 2002 and NEVER again put the Vols in the national championship race
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2003: 10 wins
2004: 10 wins

Pretty damn good coaching in those years, but you seem to not have any REASONING SKILLS to understand that. 2006 wasn't horrible, and neither was 2007. And if you dare raise the "backed into it" crap, I raise you Majors' TWO backed into SEC championships.
 
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114VOL said:
I forgot more about it on my worst day than you will ever know about it on your best day. Your ignorance is not having an appropriate response to the dismal 2002 season from a team that was chock block full of NFL players. If that doesn't sink into your shallow skull just remember the fact that we were one game away from playing for the national title in 2001
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By your moronic logic once you win a championship you should win every one after. I bet if we had beat Florida & Florida beat Alabama then we should beat Alabama. That's how your ignorant mind works.
 
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whobethis16 said:
2003: 10 wins
2004: 10 wins

Pretty damn good coaching in those years, but you seem to not have any REASONING SKILLS to understand that. 2006 wasn't horrible, and neither was 2007. And if you dare raise the "backed into it" crap, I raise you Majors' TWO backed into SEC championships.
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2004 might have been Fulmer's best coaching job in any one season. Still, in not ONE SINGLE season from 2002-2008 were the Vols ever a national contender.

I will dare to raise anything I wish to in this debate. See, you fail to recognize the FACT that during the 2002-2008 stretch, we began a massive slide defending ourselves at home in Neyland Stadium. A 41-14 shellacking from Georgia, in which the team gave completely up in the second half(a bad habit we fell into during these years), slides right past you in your extremely narrow world of University of Tennesse football. From 2002-2008, we routinely got our azzes beat at least once a year AT HOME by our biggest rivals.

I see you forget to mention the azz beating we took from an unranked Clemson team after the 2003 season.
 
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govols/cc said:
By your moronic logic once you win a championship you should win every one after. I bet if we had beat Florida & Florida beat Alabama then we should beat Alabama. That's how your ignorant mind works.
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I mentioned nothing remotely close to the scenario you've dreamed up in your little brain. Stop telling me what I might think and read my words. I am stating facts about our program.

You're way out of your league here and it's showing. Just because you might get a few know-nothings to agree with you isn't affirmation of your knowledge. It's only proof that there are a lot of stupid people in our fan base.

Now run along and go hit some seven irons at the range. I am thinking you probably need the practice
 
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#219
Lol. You list a 7 season span where UT wasn't a national contender & act like the only coach who will probably win a national title in your pitiful lifetime was to blame. I promise it will be a lot more than 7 seasons if ever before they contend since he left. I like the deflection to golf but I'm sure I would beat your ass in that & anything else.

* queue moron spouting handicap etc LOL
 
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ZZ13 said:
I don't have an opinion on this great debate but would like to point out some facts. Coach Majors never won an unconditional SEC championship at UT. In 1985 UT tied with the team that beat us (FL) but we got the Sugar Bowl due to FL's probation. Without the probation, FL is the Sugar Bowl rep. In 1989 UT was in a three way tie with Bama and Auburn. Each team went 1-1 against the other. Bama got the Sugar Bowl bid because they are Bama. In 1990, FL had a better record than UT (6-1 vs, 5-1-1) but UT got the Sugar Bowl because FL again preferred the probation route. Both Fulmer's SEC championships were clean and clear. Better record both times with no tie-breakers, plus playing and winning an additional SEC game (championship game). Majors had no opportunity at losing a championship game as Fulmer did three times (2001, 2004, 2007).

Carry on.
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If you disregard the fact that Majors came to the program when the cupboard was as bare on talent as it is now and Fulmer came when the cupboard was loaded with talent and allowed it to become bare again, then you have a strong argument for Fulmer.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
If you disregard the fact that Majors came to the program when the cupboard was as bare on talent as it is now and Fulmer came when the cupboard was loaded with talent and allowed it to become bare again, then you have a strong argument for Fulmer.
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There was no Majors players on the team in 98. I guess, & it's been repeated a lot that some can't grasp, Fulmer loaded a lot of that cupboard.
 
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govols/cc said:
Lol. You list a 7 season span where UT wasn't a national contender & act like the only coach who will probably win a national title in your pitiful lifetime was to blame. I promise it will be a lot more than 7 seasons if ever before they contend since he left. I like the deflection to golf but I'm sure I would beat your ass in that & anything else.

* queue moron spouting handicap etc LOL
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See, my whole point here, is to expose those of you who ignorantly believe Fulmer should still be our coach. I haven't disparage him personally, but most everyone in this world who runs a course of great success will at some point start a downward trend. That started for this progam in 2002. I didn't expect instant success when Fulmer was fired. Regardless of whom we might have hired for the job. There were huge holes in the system. As it has turned out, the rebuild is going to take some time. I am ok with it. I understand the process. Do I wish we have gotten LUCKY and made the right hire in 2008? ABSOLUTELY, but we didn't and then in 2010, we were directly behind the 8 ball when Kiffin bolted for SC. As it turned out again, we made a shiiiity hire. Regardless, no one was going to get us back to national relevance immediately. It takes some time to get rid of a sour stench. Talent and depth were huge issues at the end of 2008. It would have taken Saban at least 3-4 years to get us competing for national championships. He did in two at Alabama, mostly because they were in better condition in terms of talent and depth in 2006 when Shula was fired than we were in 2008 when Philip was fired.

As far as golf goes, I give you a hard time because you often speak like an expert and based on what you post, I know that is far from the truth. You're too fun and too easy.
 
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114VOL said:
2004 might have been Fulmer's best coaching job in any one season. Still, in not ONE SINGLE season from 2002-2008 were the Vols ever a national contender.

I will dare to raise anything I wish to in this debate. See, you fail to recognize the FACT that during the 2002-2008 stretch, we began a massive slide defending ourselves at home in Neyland Stadium. A 41-14 shellacking from Georgia, in which the team gave completely up in the second half(a bad habit we fell into during these years), slides right past you in your extremely narrow world of University of Tennesse football. From 2002-2008, we routinely got our azzes beat at least once a year AT HOME by our biggest rivals.

I see you forget to mention the azz beating we took from an unranked Clemson team after the 2003 season.
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"Ass beatings" deemed as more than 14 points, or two scores.

"Biggest rivals" deemed as Florida, Bama, and UGA, since those are our actual "big rivals".

2002: ok, lost all three badly to our biggest rivals but only two at home (florida 30-13, Bama 34-14)

2003: one, UGA 41-14.

2004: Auburn is not one of our biggest rivals, so therefore no "ass beatings by our biggest rivals at home".

2005: Notre Dame is not a "biggest rival", but was on the road.

2006: no one "beat our asses at home", a 1 point loss to Florida and a 4 point loss to LSU.

2007: undefeated at home, so therefore no "ass beatings at home"

2008: Florida and Bama were bad (30-6 and 29-9).

So let's see here, 5 "ass beatings by our biggest rivals at home", with 2 coming in 2002 and 2 in 2008 constitutes an ass beating by our biggest rivals at home every year? Try again.
 
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