Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

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utvolpj said:
Les Miles?
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It is still a factor, but your point is well taken. If you listen to the reason most posters do not like CPF, the first thing you hear: "the game has passed him by". I still think his record in the SEC is impressive. The comeback will be the padding of his record by the lower tiered teams. Sadly, where we are now. I have never seen so many bad things happen in one year of sports. Manning, Berry, Pat, all the injuries. Sorry, off topic.
 
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deckerkd said:
Well here is you another fact. Fulmer, when he was fired, was the winningest active coach in college football. So go argue with that. What is Dooley? A rhetorical question because that answer is obvious. Therefore, it's no comparison. By all means, UT was in better hands with Phil
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He's also just come off a 5-7 season with a loss to Wyoming who ended up firing their coach anyway even though they beat us that year.

He was also coming off 2 losing seasons in a row without Cutcliff there to help guide him in leading the program.

Unless Cut was coming back we would have had more 5-7 seasons the last three years.
 
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Bigun said:
He's also just come off a 5-7 season with a loss to Wyoming who ended up firing their coach anyway even though they beat us that year.

He was also coming off 2 losing seasons in a row without Cutcliff there to help guide him in leading the program.

Unless Cut was coming back we would have had more 5-7 seasons the last three years.
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Here we go with the "Cut the Great" stuff again. Fulmer had multiple 9 and 10 win seasons without Cut. Cut was a solid coordinator, but geez.
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PimpVol said:
Here we go with the "Cut the Great" stuff again. Fulmer had multiple 9 and 10 win seasons without Cut. Cut was a solid coordinator, but geez.
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How many SEC titles does Fulmer have without Cut?
 
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Fulmer was a good coach guys, geez. The game did pass him by, and he lacked in a few things his last few years, but let's not drag a great man and coach's legacy in the mud. smh
 
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bigorange1963 said:
At least Fulmer had us in the top 10 most of his tenure. A few top 5's a National Championship. A couple Sec's, Respect & also I believe he never ever lost to Kentucky.
So at least we were better off than these last two bozo's. I admit I liked Dooley also until today. I still cannot believe we fired Fulmer!!
Now go ahead rip me cuss me out use u'r fbombs! But admit this we haven't been this low in a long long time.
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Nope. Fulmer had far more seasons out of the top ten than he had in the top ten. That being said, we had some really good years in the 90s and one great year. We also had the most talent of anyone in the SEC and top five talent in the country for about 13 straight years, starting in 1989. Fulmer's top ten years were 1995, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001.
 
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WinchesterVol said:
Trustees sat back and allowed Hamilton to destroy this program now they need to reach in their pockets and fix it. KARMA IS A B.....
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Yeah, (LOL) you're right. None of it is Fulmer's fault. It's Hamilton and everyone else. Naming Randy Sanders OC when we could have had anyone in the country was Hamilton's and the trustees' fault. The 2002 season was Hamilton's and the trustees' fault. Losing to Maryland 30-3 was on the feet of Hamilton and the trustrees. Getting blown out by an unranked Clemson team wasn't Fulmer's fault. Being a preseason no. 3 and then going 5-6 was Hamilton's and the trustees' fault.

I am from Winchester too and know Fulmer personally. Regardless, at some point you have to wake up and face the truth about his tenure at UT. He was a good coach for many years and then sat back, let it slide and thought he was untouchable.
 
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2ironVol said:
Yeah, (LOL) you're right. None of it is Fulmer's fault. It's Hamilton and everyone else. Naming Randy Sanders OC when we could have had anyone in the country was Hamilton's and the trustees' fault. The 2002 season was Hamilton's and the trustees' fault. Losing to Maryland 30-3 was on the feet of Hamilton and the trustrees. Getting blown out by an unranked Clemson team wasn't Fulmer's fault. Being a preseason no. 3 and then going 5-6 was Hamilton's and the trustees' fault.

I am from Winchester too and know Fulmer personally. Regardless, at some point you have to wake up and face the truth about his tenure at UT. He was a good coach for many years and then sat back, let it slide and thought he was untouchable.
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End of story.
 
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Lexvol said:
End of story.
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Wishful thinking Lex
Im sure all of the mods here wish that this thread would go away because it shows a distinct split in our fanbase

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We use to block and tackle as well.

You can pick out as many single game fiascos and the 2 loosing season out of 16 to use as an example all you want.

The fact of the matter is that many of the Fulmer haters still contend that we are "better off" without him and I say that they all must be living in an alternate universe than rest of us. Its that simple.
 
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VolRock said:
Wishful thinking Lex
Im sure all of the mods here wish that this thread would go away because it shows a distinct split in our fanbase

152 and 52
We use to block and tackle as well.

You can pick out as many single game fiascos and the 2 loosing season out of 16 to use as an example all you want.

The fact of the matter is that many of the Fulmer haters still contend that we are "better off" without him and I say that they all must be living in an alternate universe than rest of us. Its that simple.
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Yes, in the 90's we used to do alot of things well, but sadly after 98 Phil allowed that to slip and the program to head into a nosedive but not adapting to the changing game and by also refusing to upgrade or hold the coaching staff accountable for failures...see Randy Sanders.

Also, I don't see how we would be any better. Fulmer was lucky more than good and that luck ran out around 2005, Cut came back and stopped the bleeding for 2 years, then it went back to what it was in 2005. No reason to think it would have changed under him.

I don't hate Fulmer, I love that he is a Vol through and through but it was obvious it was time for him to go. I like Dooley. I feel like he understands the traditions of the SEC and the Vol nation. However if he doesn't start getting it done soon, real soon, then it will be time for him to go as well.
 
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PimpVol said:
How many league wins/titles does Cut have without Fulmer. I'll wait.
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Pimp,

The point we are making is that it doesn't appear either Fulmer or Cut can excel without the other one. Fulmer is a good HC when Cut is on the the staff as OC. Without him, he isn't near as effective. Cut isn't HC material, much like Chavis, but is much much better as a Coordinator.

Cut without Fulmer isn't very good. Fulmer without Cut, isn't very good.
 
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Some on here believe Fulmer is a great coach.

Here is a list of current HC openings.

How many of these programs will have Phil Fulmer on their short list?

Akron
Arizona State
Florida Atlantic
Illinois
Kansas
Memphis
North Carolina
Ole Miss
Penn State
Tulane
UAB
UCLA
 
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Gramps said:
Some on here believe Fulmer is a great coach.

Here is a list of current HC openings.

How many of these programs will have Phil Fulmer on their short list?

Akron
Arizona State
Florida Atlantic
Illinois
Kansas
Memphis
North Carolina
Ole Miss
Penn State
Tulane
UAB
UCLA
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Mybe those in the AD positions and the coaching fraternity know that PF doesnt want to coach again?

Here's a better question. How many of these programs would have our current coach on the short list?
 
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Bigun said:
Yes, in the 90's we used to do alot of things well, but sadly after 98 Phil allowed that to slip and the program to head into a nosedive but not adapting to the changing game and by also refusing to upgrade or hold the coaching staff accountable for failures...see Randy Sanders.

Also, I don't see how we would be any better. Fulmer was lucky more than good and that luck ran out around 2005, Cut came back and stopped the bleeding for 2 years, then it went back to what it was in 2005. No reason to think it would have changed under him.

I don't hate Fulmer, I love that he is a Vol through and through but it was obvious it was time for him to go. I like Dooley. I feel like he understands the traditions of the SEC and the Vol nation. However if he doesn't start getting it done soon, real soon, then it will be time for him to go as well.
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Good reply Bigun..and I'll give you Randy Sanders
So what you are saying is that without the interuption in recruiting and the kiffin debacle, Fulmer still would have had back to back losing seasons for the first time in 100 years?
makes perfect sense to me since PF had 2 losing seasons over 16 years. :good!:
 
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VolRock said:
Good reply Bigun..and I'll give you Randy Sanders
So what you are saying is that without the interuption in recruiting and the kiffin debacle, Fulmer still would have had back to back losing seasons for the first time in 100 years?
makes perfect sense to me since PF had 2 losing seasons over 16 years. :good!:
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Of course now we have the benefit of hindsight but we know that of the guys Fulmer had committed when he was let go, that none of them would have contributed much, except maybe Taj Boyd. And we also know that recruiting had slipped terribly under Fulmer, not just in rankings but misses as well. Not just missing on guys we wanted but missing on evals where we got high ranked guys who completely flamed out. See pretty much the entire 2007 #3 ranked recruiting class.

Like I said, I don't hate Fulmer, I don't despise him, however it was time for him to go IMO. I am inclined to believe that things would be about the same that they are now, possibly worse as we wouldn't have Hunter or Rodgers at WR.
 
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