FSU Board of Trustees to start formally getting out of the ACC

[05_never_again]

TX would have preferred the B1G but aTm is in the SEC already and couldn't jump to the B1G with them, even though that makes the most sense academically and as a rivalry.

Personally, I think TX, aTm, and Mizzou are much more like B1G schools than SEC schools but aTm just wanted away from TX when they came to the SEC and the B1G, at the time, thought they were too far out of the geographic area.

It's all money driven now. TX wasn't going to be left out of the money, the B1G needed somebody "better" than OU (they're not AAU) to come in with them, and the SEC would take them both.

Agree with Texas and Mizzou being more like Big Ten schools, disagree about A&M.

Several of A&M's traditions are really weird, but they are much more like SEC schools culturally than Big Ten. Mizzou doesn't fit in the SEC geographically and culturally, and Texas is mostly a wine and cheese crowd. Every big fanbase has a wine and cheese subset inside of it, but Texas's is much bigger. They're in a trendy metro area and many of the people at the game are there because it's fashionable to be there, not because they're super interested in the game.

 

[turbovol]

Main state branding in a state with 1.5 million more people than Tennessee would be my guess.

You should compare UVA and VT’s monetary intakes across the years too.

SO OSU has $100 million more in revenues than we do? How is that possible? The teams in the football playoff make extra money, yes,
but how much? I know OSU isn't in it this year--but it's been in it in recent years. What else would account for the huge difference?

 

[turbovol]

18 members, 20 members, hell let's make it 30!

 

[bamawriter]

Nothing about P5 sports is really about the athletes and the school academically, as you say, but the B1G really likes to pretend they're all AAU, high level research schools, etc.

Which is nonsense because Nebraska lost their AAU status right before the Big 10 brought them in.

 

[05_never_again]

SO OSU has $100 million more in revenues than we do? How is that possible? The teams in the football playoff make extra money, yes,
but how much? I know OSU isn't in it this year--but it's been in it in recent years. What else would account for the huge difference?

They simply have a much bigger fanbase than Tennessee. It's probably the single-largest fanbase in all of college sports in terms of the sheer number of people. The school itself is in Columbus, a metro area with over 2 million people. Ohio also has a population of almost 12 million people, and they don't share the state with another major school. When you combine that with the fact that their team is basically always really good, you're going to have a huge following.

Knoxville's metro area is half the size of Columbus and Tennessee has one-third less the population (7 million versus 12 million). We don't share the state with another major school either, but West Tennessee has never been exactly a Volunteer stronghold.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Which is nonsense because Nebraska lost their AAU status right before the Big 10 brought them in.

Well, NE wasn't supposed to let that happen. I believe a lot of that is medical research money and such and NE lost out on keeping up. They're supposedly trying to get back in.

The B1G IS serious about the AAU, though it's crazy since the money is the thing in athletics now, and they've stuck to it even after NE dropped out.

 

[volbound1700]

TX would have preferred the B1G but aTm is in the SEC already and couldn't jump to the B1G with them, even though that makes the most sense academically and as a rivalry.

Personally, I think TX, aTm, and Mizzou are much more like B1G schools than SEC schools but aTm just wanted away from TX when they came to the SEC and the B1G, at the time, thought they were too far out of the geographic area.

It's all money driven now. TX wasn't going to be left out of the money, the B1G needed somebody "better" than OU (they're not AAU) to come in with them, and the SEC would take them both.

What world are you living in? Texas has far more in common with states like Alabama, Tennessee, Louisiana, Arkansas, etc. than they do Ohio, Michigan, and Illinois.

 

[LouderVol]

SO OSU has $100 million more in revenues than we do? How is that possible? The teams in the football playoff make extra money, yes,
but how much? I know OSU isn't in it this year--but it's been in it in recent years. What else would account for the huge difference?

they are a MUCH bigger school too.

Their enrollment is 66k
our enrollment is 28k

you apply that discrepancy over more than a century plus and OSU has a MUCH bigger base to draw from.

also having better academics means they probably have more rich alumni than we do.

 

[05_never_again]

What world are you living in? Texas has far more in common with states like Alabama, Tennessee, Louisiana, Arkansas, etc. than they do Ohio, Michigan, and Illinois.

Texas's fanbase is not your typical Texas crowd though. Lots of transplants and trendies. Reflective of Austin itself. Their fanbase has a lot of bougie, pinkies out, wine and cheese types in it.

 

[volbound1700]

They simply have a much bigger fanbase than Tennessee. It's probably the single-largest fanbase in all of college sports in terms of the sheer number of people. The school itself is in Columbus, a metro area with over 2 million people. Ohio also has a population of almost 12 million people, and they don't share the state with another major school. When you combine that with the fact that their team is basically always really good, you're going to have a huge following.

Knoxville's metro area is half the size of Columbus and Tennessee has one-third less the population (7 million versus 12 million). We don't share the state with another major school either, but West Tennessee has never been exactly a Volunteer stronghold.

Ohio State also has twice as many students as Tennessee. It is definitely a top 5 (maybe top 3) program when it comes to fan support and attention. Problem with B1G is once you get past Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and Nebraska, the fan support plummets dramatically. Even out of those 4, only 2 have been relevant in the modern era.

 

[volbound1700]

Texas's fanbase is not your typical Texas crowd though. Lots of transplants and trendies. Reflective of Austin itself. Their fanbase has a lot of bougie, pinkies out, wine and cheese types in it.

Again I disagree, Texas in the B1G would be just as alien as having Georgia or Florida in the B1G. It doesn't fit regionally.

Texas' fanbase is pretty widespread in Texas. You are talking about their students and even then that is a stereotype. Tennessee has those artsy liberally students and the administration wants to be Ivy League as well. Effectively, you could take your argument and apply it to most schools.

Texas' former AD/President (not the current ones) were obsessed with B1G but the fanbase and school always made more sense with the SEC. They have the Arkansas and Texas A&M connection plus the way Oklahoma and Texas are with football, they fit very well with the other SEC powers.

 

[05_never_again]

Ohio State also has twice as many students as Tennessee. It is definitely a top 5 (maybe top 3) program when it comes to fan support and attention. Problem with B1G is once you get past Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and Nebraska, the fan support plummets dramatically. Even out of those 4, only 2 have been relevant in the modern era.

I generally agree, although I'd throw in Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan St as all having solid fanbases. Especially Wisconsin.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Agree with Texas and Mizzou being more like Big Ten schools, disagree about A&M.

Several of A&M's traditions are really weird, but they are much more like SEC schools culturally than Big Ten. Mizzou doesn't fit in the SEC geographically and culturally, and Texas is mostly a wine and cheese crowd. Every big fanbase has a wine and cheese subset inside of it, but Texas's is much bigger. They're in a trendy metro area and many of the people at the game are there because it's fashionable to be there, not because they're super interested in the game.

aTm WANTS to be TX really, really, really badly though. They want to be "real TX" and not Austin and real TX is, uh, weird. Oil money isn't sophisticated money and aTm reflects what happens when you try to combine patriotic, military fervor and new money.

It's twisted, but rich as all hell, so it would fit in the B1G like Penn State....... not Penn classy in any way, shape, or form but wishes like hell it was it was Penn and those wanna be blue bloods just shovel money at the school and it just ends up twisted.

 

[volbound1700]

I generally agree, although I'd throw in Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan St as all having solid fanbases. Especially Wisconsin.

Not really. I meet tons of people from Wisconsin and the Badgers are an after thought. They are all about the Packers. Wisconsin is the minor league team to them.

Michigan State and Iowa have decent fanbases but they are more on par with Arkansas or South Carolina in revenue generation. Basically if Michigan and Ohio State leave the B1G, it is over.

SEC has at least 9 programs on par with Michigan and Ohio State (and maybe Penn State). Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and LSU can only move the needle heavily for any league.

This is why I argue the B1G is weaker than the SEC. I think Michigan and Ohio State are actually ahead of any SEC schools not named Texas on fan support and revenue (Alabama does have a large following with Saban right now but you have to review them long-term).

 

[05_never_again]

Again I disagree, Texas in the B1G would be just as alien as having Georgia or Florida in the B1G. It doesn't fit regionally.

Texas' fanbase is pretty widespread in Texas. You are talking about their students and even then that is a stereotype. Tennessee has those artsy liberally students and the administration wants to be Ivy League as well. Effectively, you could take your argument and apply it to most schools.

Not talking about just the students. Like I said, every fanbase has wine and cheese types in it. Texas's just has a higher percentage of them. Texas would not be a fit in the Big Ten geographically, but that means less and less in this era of TV deals and easier travel. Texas's fanbase, especially the fans in and around Austin, would fit in just fine with the wine and cheese crowd in say, Ann Arbor. They see themselves as cultured and refined.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

What world are you living in? Texas has far more in common with states like Alabama, Tennessee, Louisiana, Arkansas, etc. than they do Ohio, Michigan, and Illinois.

Have you ever spent any time in Austin? It's not like Fort Worth/Dallas.

 

[volbound1700]

Have you ever spent any time in Austin? It's not like Fort Worth/Dallas.

You could pick out college towns in the SEC and say the same thing though. The state as a whole (and I would bank on over 85% of Texas fanbase not living in Austin) is very much aligned with the SEC. They would be on an island in the B1G.

 

[hog88]

What world are you living in? Texas has far more in common with states like Alabama, Tennessee, Louisiana, Arkansas, etc. than they do Ohio, Michigan, and Illinois.

Not really, Austin is it's own world an accurate statement for the whole state would be "TX is more like CA than any SEC state".

 

[TrueOrange]

Cool. A lawsuit to try to: (1) get a ruling that the grant of rights FSU helped create and voluntarily signed to give the ACC the money from the members’ broadcast rights through 2036 isn’t a valid agreement and (2) say that FSU also shouldn’t have to pay a $130 million buyout either.

Good luck with that.

A reminder that the history behind this whole grant of rights pretty much boils down to:

1. 2013 - Florida State voluntarily signs Grant of Rights with ACC (as do all ACC members).

2. 2016 - Florida State voluntarily signs an extension of the Grant of Rights (as do all the ACC members) in line with their latest media deal.

3. 2022 onwards - Florida State spends each offseason bitching, moaning, and badmouthing the conference, saying it’s undeserving of FSU, and demanding they deserve more money.

 

[volbound1700]

Not talking about just the students. Like I said, every fanbase has wine and cheese types in it. Texas's just has a higher percentage of them. Texas would not be a fit in the Big Ten geographically, but that means less and less in this era of TV deals and easier travel. Texas's fanbase, especially the fans in and around Austin, would fit in just fine with the wine and cheese crowd in say, Ann Arbor. They see themselves as cultured and refined.

Based on what? I have meet a crap tons of Texas fans who don't fit this description at all. They tend to have more of the Matthew McConaughey attitude of rustic Texan. There is a reason he has been one of the faces for the Texas fanbase.

In fact, your description fits more Florida or Kentucky fans than Texas fans. Should Florida and Kentucky be in the B1G?

 

[05_never_again]

Not really. I meet tons of people from Wisconsin and the Badgers are an after thought. They are all about the Packers. Wisconsin is the minor league team to them.

Michigan State and Iowa have decent fanbases but they are more on par with Arkansas or South Carolina in revenue generation. Basically if Michigan and Ohio State leave the B1G, it is over.

SEC has at least 9 programs on par with Michigan and Ohio State (and maybe Penn State). Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and LSU can only move the needle heavily for any league.

This is why I argue the B1G is weaker than the SEC. I think Michigan and Ohio State are actually ahead of any SEC schools not named Texas on fan support and revenue (Alabama does have a large following with Saban right now but you have to review them long-term).

Camp Randall seats 80k and they pack it out even when the team isn't great, like this year. It's a good fanbase. I agree that it is clearly behind the Packers in terms of interest but that says more about how pro football is more popular there than it is in the southeast, rather than Wisconsin football not being popular.

 

[05_never_again]

Based on what? I have meet a crap tons of Texas fans who don't fit this description at all. They tend to have more of the Matthew McConaughey attitude of rustic Texan. There is a reason he has been one of the faces for the Texas fanbase.

In fact, your description fits more Florida or Kentucky fans than Texas fans. Should Florida and Kentucky be in the B1G?

UF and UK have a lot of wine and cheese types? Have you been around UF or UK fans?

The Matthew McConaughey comparison kind of proves my point. Sure, he's from West Texas and an alum/fan, but he's also a Hollywood celebrity married to a Brazilian model. He has more in common with your stereotypical modern Austinite than "rustic Texan."

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

You could pick out college towns in the SEC and say the same thing though. The state as a whole (and I would bank on over 85% of Texas fanbase not living in Austin) is very much aligned with the SEC. They would be on an island in the B1G.

My kid came back from Austin with a "People's Republic of Austin" T shirt. How do you think that would fly anywhere outside Austin? The little turd just wanted to yank my chain.

The University of TX is a liberal institution. Most of TX fans that aren't liberal will hold their nose and attend a game there, but they hate the school and Austin. HATE IT.

The school is much more B1G, also, because there's a lot of big research there. It's not a cattle ranch kid school.

 

[volfan102455]

they are a MUCH bigger school too.

Their enrollment is 66k
our enrollment is 28k

you apply that discrepancy over more than a century plus and OSU has a MUCH bigger base to draw from.

also having better academics means they probably have more rich alumni than we do.

I believe that is across all campus locations. A more correct comparison for educational purposes would be across all UT campus locations which would be a 66K to 58K comparison. OSU is centralized. The UT education system is a multi-campus institution which, yes results with different sporting teams as UTC and UTM have attendance close to or over 10K.

But to say OSU is MUCH bigger educational system - that is not really true.

And UTK's 2023 enrollment number is 36K not 28K.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I believe that is across all campus locations. A more correct comparison for educational purposes would be across all UT campus locations which would be a 66K to 58K comparison. OSU is centralized. The UT education system is a multi-campus institution which, yes results with different sporting teams as UTC and UTM have attendance close to or over 10K.

But to say OSU is MUCH bigger educational system - that is not really true.

And UTK's 2023 enrollment number is 36K not 28K.

Research money spent at tOSU in 2022 was $1.36 billion dollars.

Research money spent at UTK in 2022 was about $350 million.