Frustration and Rethinking

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Mason72

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You know before the season started I thought 7 win or 8 win season was realistic. Now that we are here I am one of the Fire him or Give him more time rollercoaster ride. I swear I think this team is real close to doing great things. We are almost there. Go VOls.. I believe.

Remembering when Dooley was brought in. LSU fans thought he should be Miles replacement. Across the country from La Tech to their opponents bragged on how well prepared La Tech was and that Dooley was a bright up and coming coach. Three years later everyone is saying his is over his head and talking smack.

Dooley has brought in the talent and we are gaining depth. We are alot better program than when Fulmer was let go.

I think he deserves one more year. GO VOLs. I believe.
 
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Remove the Jrs(early entry) and Srs and take a look at next year's schedule and tell me how Dooley can go better than 7-5. Eventually we will have to hire a coach that can beat a ranked team.
 
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Ok lets get this straight there was NO talent here so he could have added 10 players and we would be in a better situation as far as talent so the improvement is relative its sort of like McCullers loosing 10lb he is still big. So please the talent thing any coach with half a mind could have done that. You guys act like he has brought a boat load of 5 stars in. He has brought in average classes some 4 stars mostly 3 stars and a 2 stars
 
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spudvol said:
Remove the Jrs(early entry) and Srs and take a look at next year's schedule and tell me how Dooley can go better than 7-5. Eventually we will have to hire a coach that can beat a ranked team.
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There is a lot of potential to replace the offensive talent that we could lose this year, (Bray,CP,Hunter, Ja'Wuan James, Dallas Thomas, Rivera, and Z.Rogers), but we won't know until they are seeing significant snaps. Croom could be a lights out TE, Drae Bowles and Pig could definitely step up along with V. Dallas and any of the incoming freshmen WRs, and Worley or Peterman could become a playmaker at QB we just won't know until they are our there every Saturday for UT and that would be assuming we lose everybody on offense that could reasonably leave.

Now on defense I don't see anyone who, JR or SR, would significantly hurt that side of the ball, which would be hard to do in the first place. Wagner maybe but he has been in a tough spot this year and his performance has dropped a bit. Other than that I see our D being pretty much the same but with the new freshmen like Jalen Reeves-Maybin, hopefully Von Bell, Kameron Miles to improve the secondary along with a host of linebackers and a return of the injured players we're missing right now (Randolph, and Maggitt).

This defense is young and transitioning to a new scheme that we don't yet have the personnel for. That being said we could easily improve over this years D and be able to have a competent defense to go with an exciting offense
 
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GBOVOLS said:
Ok lets get this straight there was NO talent here so he could have added 10 players and we would be in a better situation as far as talent so the improvement is relative its sort of like McCullers loosing 10lb he is still big. So please the talent thing any coach with half a mind could have done that. You guys act like he has brought a boat load of 5 stars in. He has brought in average classes some 4 stars mostly 3 stars and a 2 stars
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Stars do nothing but gauge potential. Two of our best recent players were five stars but didn't make it to their third year on the team. CP was a five star but I'm sure if they could've given him a sixth they would have. We have several four stars and three stars yes, but because they weren't five stars out of high school didn't limit them to becoming playmakers (i.e. Bray Hunter, AJ and Curt, Brian Randolph). How Dooley an Co. talked Da'Rick to switching to our program, which was in complete shambles, on NSD is just baffling. Also most five stars would like to go somewhere with stability which is something we are uncertain of since some fans have been calling for Dooley's head for two years now, which makes it even more difficult for us to compete in the recruiting game.

We also have a significant shot at a few playmaking five stars, a REALLY good shot at Derrick Green, that could disappear with a coaching change.
 
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Our talent isn't producing and our depth isn't helping. Our 1s can't line up correctly, tackle or stop our opponents from racking up 30+ points. The youth and inexperience we were blaming all these mistakes on are now seasoned juniors, who are underperforming other teams' freshmen. At some point, we have to stop asking "why" and start asking "when?" Liking someone doesn't make them the right person for the job. Unless there is a dramatic change in the next two games, I think it's time to move on.
 
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What surprises me the most is how unprepared we are. Wrong spot, dumb mistake, stupid penalties, can't tackle ect ect.....year one yes, year three? Really? I just don't get it.
 
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I'm with the OP. We lead against #2 Florida all night. We played Georgia to a 1 position game. And we should have beat MS St if not for some horrible special teams play, and a late fumble.

I think in the next two weeks, that big upset will finally come.
 
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GBOVOLS said:
Ok lets get this straight there was NO talent here so he could have added 10 players and we would be in a better situation as far as talent so the improvement is relative its sort of like McCullers loosing 10lb he is still big. So please the talent thing any coach with half a mind could have done that. You guys act like he has brought a boat load of 5 stars in. He has brought in average classes some 4 stars mostly 3 stars and a 2 stars
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I want Dooley out. But this argument is absurd. Dooley did a masterful job of recruiting from the minute he took this job. His and the staff's talent evaluation has been on the spot with just about every guy they went after. He paid very close attention to positions of need, and filled classes with good players accordingly. He also managed to sign several difference maker type players (DaRick, CP, Pig). Don't let your opinion of his gameday coaching blind you to the fact that the guy has given us SEC calliber depth and talent where we needed it the most. There is still work to do in terms of depth and talent on the defensive side, but the trenches on both sides of the ball are miles ahead of when he took over. I really like the job he has done building up the roster. Now it is time for him to pass the reigns on to a coach that can get the most out of them.
 
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Seems to get lost in the steamroller ride to fire CDD, but we had almost a complete coaching turnover this past year, 7 of 9 new assistants, with a whole new defensive scheme. I truly thought we would be better on defense than we have shown so far, but it's not year 3 for the defense.
 
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Whitewolf said:
Seems to get lost in the steamroller ride to fire CDD, but we had almost a complete coaching turnover this past year, 7 of 9 new assistants, with a whole new defensive scheme. I truly thought we would be better on defense than we have shown so far, but it's not year 3 for the defense.
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And why do you believe there has been so much turnover? I believe this is the last act for Dooley. He definitely should have hitched his wagon to a better DC knowing what the stakes were this season.
 
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Mason72 said:
You know before the season started I thought 7 win or 8 win season was realistic. Now that we are here I am one of the Fire him or Give him more time rollercoaster ride. I swear I think this team is real close to doing great things. We are almost there. Go VOls.. I believe.

Remembering when Dooley was brought in. LSU fans thought he should be Miles replacement. Across the country from La Tech to their opponents bragged on how well prepared La Tech was and that Dooley was a bright up and coming coach. Three years later everyone is saying his is over his head and talking smack.

Dooley has brought in the talent and we are gaining depth. We are alot better program than when Fulmer was let go.

I think he deserves one more year. GO VOLs. I believe.
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I was in the same boat until the Miss. St. game. I now subscribe to the notion that Dools has, in fact, hit his ceiling in the SEC.

Staying with him will ensure that the Vols keep the company of the likes of Vandy and KY in the SEC basement.
 
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Coaching ability aside...........maybe just me........his PERSONALITY will not allow him to be successful Head Coach.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
And why do you believe there has been so much turnover? I believe this is the last act for Dooley. He definitely should have hitched his wagon to a better DC knowing what the stakes were this season.
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Well like I said in my earlier post, I would have thought the defense would be better than it has shown so far. I liked the CSS hire, still not convinced coach Sal can't get it done.

I too have moved to the fence on CDD, but a new coach this year had better be a home run, otherwise it's change for the sake of change and we would be better served to stay the course. I believe there will be several desirable coaching positions up for grabs this season; Arkansas, Auburn, & Kentucky may all be looking and Tennessee will have to compete. Not to say those jobs are better than Tennessee, but it means the possibility of a home run goes down. Also, with a new coach the probability of retaining some of the talented Jr.s goes way down for next year.
 
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spudvol said:
Remove the Jrs(early entry) and Srs and take a look at next year's schedule and tell me how Dooley can go better than 7-5. Eventually we will have to hire a coach that can beat a ranked team.
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consistently landing the 8th and 9th best recruiting classes in the SEC will ensure continuing with 7-5 level seasons.
 
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Personally I don't think he can coach a lick. I think people, including me, would have been more patient if our coach had a proven track record. He doesn't. Dragging it out another year will only lead to the inevitable I'm afraid. Recruiting is going to be damaged whether he goes or stays, that's pretty much a given. Hiring a big-named coach could salvage this year's recruiting crop to some extent. That being said, I will support the team if Hart decides to give him one more year and just hope for the best. Maybe Hart sees something on the field that I don't see, which is not improbable. But my personal level of optimism is not high, just as it wasn't when Dooley was hired. I think Hamilton botched the entire hiring process in the worst way, but that's pretty much water over the dam. I hope Dooley and the Vols beat Bama and turn the table on us doubters for the rest of the season.
 
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GBOVOLS said:
Ok lets get this straight there was NO talent here so he could have added 10 players and we would be in a better situation as far as talent so the improvement is relative its sort of like McCullers loosing 10lb he is still big. So please the talent thing any coach with half a mind could have done that. You guys act like he has brought a boat load of 5 stars in. He has brought in average classes some 4 stars mostly 3 stars and a 2 stars
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Really dude. He brought in more talent than what fulmar dud his last 3 years as the head ball coach. Check the facts dude
 
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Mason72 said:
You know before the season started I thought 7 win or 8 win season was realistic. Now that we are here I am one of the Fire him or Give him more time rollercoaster ride. I swear I think this team is real close to doing great things. We are almost there. Go VOls.. I believe.

Remembering when Dooley was brought in. LSU fans thought he should be Miles replacement. Across the country from La Tech to their opponents bragged on how well prepared La Tech was and that Dooley was a bright up and coming coach. Three years later everyone is saying his is over his head and talking smack.

Dooley has brought in the talent and we are gaining depth. We are alot better program than when Fulmer was let go.

I think he deserves one more year. GO VOLs. I believe.
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I think this is highly exaggerated, especially the LSU part. Sure there were probably some fringe LSU fans who said that is but it was hardly the majority or anywhere close. As far as LT, there's also been many associated with them that don't have very good things to say about Dooley.

This guy wasn't on anyone's radar for a major job, and he was about our 5th choice, so I'm not really buying this revisionist notion that he was some hot commodity. Not to mention I don't hear anyone talking about snatching him up if we fire him.
 
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spudvol said:
Clapping harder ain't gonna fix this program.
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I think that fans b%tch%ing less would help some. i'm not calling you out spudvol just speaking in general terms. i understand it though bc it is frustrating, but the reality is that complaining about the coach during the season (during bama week even) only hurts the team
 
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I think Erik Ainge hit on the real problem in his radio show. He suggested that Dooley could be a great coach if we gave him another decade, but no one is going to wait around another decade for that to happen.

Dooley was hired for a major program job too early. He needed more experience, either as a coordinator at a top program, or continuing to coach at La Tech. Which is why even if we ditch him, I still think he could have a successful career at a mid-major program, but he lacks the experience to really succeed at UT, unless we sit around and wait for another decade. (And that's a bit risky, because just because he can be a great HC doesn't mean he will be.)

If you take a look at great coaches in college right now, almost all of them have a lot more experience than Dooley. Saban was DC at the Cleveland Browns for 3 years, and spent nearly 18 years in college as a position coach or GA before getting his first head job at Michigan State. And he was at Mich St another five years before he took the LSU gig.

Spurrier had 10 years as a QB in the NFL, before a few more years as position coaches in college, 3 years as an OC at Duke, 2 years as HC in the USFL, and another 3 years as HC at Duke before becoming coach at Florida.

Dooley had no professional playing career, and he was a position coach for maybe 8 years, before skipping up the ladder to a HC position at La Tech. He really could've benefited from some time as a coordinator or more years as an HC at a lower-level program.

I'm still rooting for Dooley. I'm still rooting for Tennessee every week. But from what I've seen, I think Dooley is over his head right now.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
I want Dooley out. But this argument is absurd. Dooley did a masterful job of recruiting from the minute he took this job. His and the staff's talent evaluation has been on the spot with just about every guy they went after. He paid very close attention to positions of need, and filled classes with good players accordingly. He also managed to sign several difference maker type players (DaRick, CP, Pig). Don't let your opinion of his gameday coaching blind you to the fact that the guy has given us SEC calliber depth and talent where we needed it the most. There is still work to do in terms of depth and talent on the defensive side, but the trenches on both sides of the ball are miles ahead of when he took over. I really like the job he has done building up the roster. Now it is time for him to pass the reigns on to a coach that can get the most out of them.
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I wish I could like this 1000 times. After the final rankings are in stone they mean nothing. After that its about the players living up to potential. Dooley has done a great job with evaluation and recruiting.Especially for a team that has been as bad as we have of late. Anyone that watches this team and says differently is a moron.

With that said, I think he's a good recruiter, but not a very good coach.
 
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Willy999 said:
I think that fans b%tch%ing less would help some. i'm not calling you out spudvol just speaking in general terms. i understand it though bc it is frustrating, but the reality is that complaining about the coach during the season (during bama week even) only hurts the team
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I think it is Dooley's job to give us something to cheer about. Sportscenter and nationally televised games have done more harm than all of the "negavols" combined could possibly do.
 
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