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orangepeopleeater

orangepeopleeater

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The question I have is why is it so bad to put freshman or a rookie into a game situation. I mean I've seen many a freshman play great football. I see many freshman playing for the Vols this year do an awesome job. Why couldn't a freshman QB be the same way. It might even be better for a young line to protect the guy behind them that plans to be with them for the next 3 or more years.
 
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Bray isn't on the bench because he's a freshman; he's on the bench because he's not good enough.
 
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He's just not adjusted to the speed of the game yet. Has the tools, but needs time.
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I watched simms last week. he can't be that much worse...

the biggest problem with freshman is their decision-making abilities that usually lead to interceptions... well matt simms has that in spades... he's not all that talented, he doesn't seem like the great leader everyone was making him out to be, and he's a cocky bast and who can't take responsibility for anything. He pisses me off...
 
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It would be my guess, based on common sense, that the vol coaching staff believes Simms gives them a better chance to win.

The simple retort to that statement is that maybe someone else should get a chance and turns out to be a better gameday performer -- unlikely.

I imagine that it's a pure uptake and repetition comparison. It seems that even Simms knows only a portion of the offense while I am guessing the other QBs know even less given the offense has been quite vanilla over the first three games. I don't think I honestly recall a Simms audible -- it may not even be on the table for him to call going into games presently.

Furthermore, the QB is always under a microscope given they touch the ball every play. Whose to say that WRs are not running proper routes or OL are coming out their stance on their heals and whiffing on rushers or RBs missing a blitz in max pass protection. Those are just a few examples that I have seen that have absolutely nothing to do with the QB play.
 
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I've only see Bray play in a small part of the first game with what I would say was the second string. I also saw him play at the orange and white game and he looked alot better than Simms. So I don't see the Simms is a better QB part.
 
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orangepeopleeater said:
I've only see Bray play in a small part of the first game with what I would say was the second string. I also saw him play at the orange and white game and he looked alot better than Simms. So I don't see the Simms is a better QB part.
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Fair enough, you have seen him twice. The coaching staff sees him on the field every day.

You very well may be a savant and see things that the coaching staff is missing.
 
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calban said:
There's your answer. You don't have the combined experience of over 30 years of looking at and evaluating players that your coaches do.
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Haha...agreed. This is the same fanbase that clamored for BJ Coleman. 3 separate coaching staffs didn't think he could play. Regardless of your Dooley stance, you know he is a better evaluator with more info than VolNation.
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_vol said:
Fair enough, you have seen him twice. The coaching staff sees him on the field every day.

You very well may be a savant and see things that the coaching staff is missing.
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well its better than just saying he's not good enough ... if he wasn't, why was so many so high on him during recruiting.
 
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orangepeopleeater said:
well its better than just saying he's not good enough ... if he wasn't, why was so many so high on him during recruiting.
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Difference between not good enough, and not good enough RIGHT NOW. He is the latter.
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dlw4n said:
Haha...agreed. This is the same fanbase that clamored for BJ Coleman. 3 separate coaching staffs didn't think he could play. Regardless of your Dooley stance, you know he is a better evaluator with more info than VolNation.
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You mean Cutcliffe, who recruited him. Without Cut, Fulmer would have been fired along time ago. What "staffs are you talking about"?
 
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DougVol said:
You mean Cutcliffe, who recruited him. Without Cut, Fulmer would have been fired along time ago. What "staffs are you talking about"?
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my thoughts exactly. toward the end of fulmers tenure they were throwing coleman more into the mix. and then spring ball comes along and he outplays crompton and stephens. kiffin did not want to start coleman because not as many recruits want to come and sit on the bench for two or three years especially when coleman was just a sophomore.
 
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orangespirit said:
He's just not adjusted to the speed of the game yet. Has the tools, but needs time.
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True... Doobie tends to slow everything down.

I kid... Seriously though, the kid looked a lot better than Simms in spring because he's got raw talent, and a rifle for an arm. Then, he came in against UTM and threw a pick. He's not ready, and for all of the comments about Simms making ill-advised throws, it would be worse with Bray.
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DougVol said:
You mean Cutcliffe, who recruited him. Without Cut, Fulmer would have been fired along time ago. What "staffs are you talking about"?
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Good point.
I always thought Phils undoing was that he couldn't keep a competent staff together.
Which in turn made it impossible for him to recruit.
 
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volsfan32 said:
my thoughts exactly. toward the end of fulmers tenure they were throwing coleman more into the mix. and then spring ball comes along and he outplays crompton and stephens. kiffin did not want to start coleman because not as many recruits want to come and sit on the bench for two or three years especially when coleman was just a sophomore.
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is that why he's setting the world on fire now..............in Chattanooga?
 
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i can't believe there's people out there that actually thinks coleman should have beatin out crompton for the starting job. hell he couldn't beat out nick.
 
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Ashevolle said:
is that why he's setting the world on fire now..............in Chattanooga?
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He's ranked number 1 in the conference, with 856yards 8tds and 2int. Just about beat the number one ranked team App State by himself. He'll probably break some South Conf records while only playing 3years. And yes, all this at woeful chattanooga.
 
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n_gerard07 said:
I watched simms last week. he can't be that much worse...

the biggest problem with freshman is their decision-making abilities that usually lead to interceptions... well matt simms has that in spades... he's not all that talented, he doesn't seem like the great leader everyone was making him out to be, and he's a cocky bast and who can't take responsibility for anything. He pisses me off...
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Where did you get that he is cocky and doesnt take responsibility? Link?

Every video of him that I have seen he has been humble and taken it on himself to get better and not make the same mistakes twice.
 
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zidanefan said:
Then, he came in against UTM and threw a pick. He's not ready.
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I see a lot of people posting about how that one play proves he isn't ready. It was mop up duty in his first college game as a true freshman. We won't know anything about him until he's tested against real competition where he has a chance to find a rhythm or prove that UTM pass wasn't a fluke. He may very well be a bust, but I'm not willing to jump the gun based on that particular play. I will say that I think Simms moves in the pocket pretty well considering how much pressure has been on him. If they can get him to make (better) decisions faster we'll probably be OK.
 
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I really don't think Simms is much better of a QB. Bray is young but lets look back at Ut's history with starting true freshman quartback's. Does the names Manning, Clausen, Shaffer/Ainge ring a bell. Many times true freshman can do better because they do not know all the important things about when to be scared etc. I think Simms has made strides with this offense but he is either really good or really bad. And still he does not check off his receivers and misses many open looks!!!! Period! I think Dooley is not afraid to play freshman but sceptible of it!

Juwman James is starting because he has to. James Stone will be starting now because he has to. But not starting Justin Hunter who is a Freshman All-American possibly if given more playing time is crazy! Kid has crazy abilities. Da rick Rogers looks capable as well! they are just not being turned loose and mostly because our Qb cannot hit them 90 percent of time. IMO start Bray for LSU game because he will not be the deer in headlights! Simms is older but has shown me nothing of leadership or better abilities im sorry! Go vols!
 
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Bray has everything you can't teach (Good size, huge arm). Now, he just needs taught. He is the QB of the future, but this isn't the future. We might see him by years end but only if he is ready. I will take the coaches word that he is not. When Dooley talks about Bray, you can tell he is not comfortable with where he is as a QB yet. I am not impressed with what I have seen from Simms either, but he's the best we have got right now.
 
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