Foster vs. Haynesworth

#26
#26
Not trying to be argumentative utmba, just have never gotten the "Colts" thing. I am always trying to learn the mentality of sports fans. If the Colts were playing anyone other than the Steelers and the other team didn't have any former UT players, I'd then root for the Colts. Otherwise, I don't get it.

Take away your allegiance to Pittsburgh, and you're basically in the same boat. Nothing complicated there.

Also, with Fantasy Football, the whole rooting for teams thing is getting distorted. Fantasy gives fans what they want... players they can identify with. Most teams take that away with far too many trades.
 
#27
#27
Not trying to be argumentative utmba, just have never gotten the "Colts" thing. I am always trying to learn the mentality of sports fans. If the Colts were playing anyone other than the Steelers and the other team didn't have any former UT players, I'd then root for the Colts. Otherwise, I don't get it.

If you think about it it's very easy to understand. Most E TN people didn't have an NFL team growing up (maybe the Falcons since they were close). When the Colts got Peyton they had a UT legend plus they marketed their team very heavily in the market. Colts gear was everywhere and all their games were shown in Knoxville so many became fans. Plus the shots the Titans made at UT turned many off at the time (we play the real football in TN, etc).
 
#28
#28
Pittsburgh has some of the hardest working and loyal people that you'll ever find. I doubt you've ever even been there or have any real knowledge of what you speak.

who cares? I don't wanna go there nor live there. I couldn't care less if Pittsburgh ever fields a professional anything.
 
#29
#29
Good to see that you are still using that retarded arguement.

how is it any more retarded than picking a team by zip code than by a player? If the argument was so bad then there would be 32 cities for NFL fans to live in and the rest of the country wouldn't care about the sport
 
#30
#30
Pittsburgh has some of the hardest working and loyal people that you'll ever find. I doubt you've ever even been there or have any real knowledge of what you speak.

I was mostly busting your chops with the Pittsburgh comment. I do know, and have known several people from Pittsburgh over the year. Nothing personal.

And, I have visited the city. I'd take Nashville, Knoxville, or Memphis any day, but that's just my biases. Yours are probably 'backwards'. :p
 
#32
#32
but you should suddenly become a fan when they move into your state? Please, this argument is tired. NFL fans outside of the team's city are pretty random

Do you think you could get Freak to create a sticky thread for all of us to post to where we make our case for what team we'd like root for so that AlwayzVolz can go in to decide whether it's appropriate or not?
 
#33
#33
I understand pj if you didn't root for any pro team growing up. But if you did, I still don't get the rationale.

and I'm saying most people I knew didn't really have one.

I lived in AZ for years and still cheer for the Cards. However I didn't go around to fans of other teams who lived there and tell them they were stupid for not supporting the state team.
 
#34
#34
If you think about it it's very easy to understand. Most E TN people didn't have an NFL team growing up (maybe the Falcons since they were close). When the Colts got Peyton they had a UT legend plus they marketed their team very heavily in the market. Colts gear was everywhere and all their games were shown in Knoxville so many became fans. Plus the shots the Titans made at UT turned many off at the time (we play the real football in TN, etc).

Pretty much the way it was for me. I was 9 or 10 when Peyton left UT and never had a favorite NFL team. My family was really only big UT fans, and that is who I had watched play football all the previous years. So at that age it just made since to keep up with Peyton. Eventually, I was a fan, and still would be of the Colts even if he got traded.
 
#35
#35
Do you think you could get Freak to create a sticky thread for all of us to post to where we make our case for what team we'd like root for so that AlwayzVolz can go in to decide whether it's appropriate or not?

I ain't listening to anybody tossing around Zs like that.
 
#36
#36
I understand pj if you didn't root for any pro team growing up. But if you did, I still don't get the rationale.

It's pretty easy. Pro football wasn't that big of a deal in Tennessee.

We grew up Vols fans for life. The NFL wasn't the topic.
 
#38
#38
It's pretty easy. Pro football wasn't that big of a deal in Tennessee.

We grew up Vols fans for life. The NFL wasn't the topic.

and players jumping around all over the place via free agency certainly hasn't helped the situation. If you live in an area that precludes blind support for the local squad, you're probably much more focused on the players, than particular teams.

That said, I got Lydell Mitchell's autograph as a young kid and have been a Colt fan, at least somewhat, ever since. Peyton has cemented that. When he's gone, I'll find another Vol or Black Knight (in theory) to root for. Likely to be Berry, and he's only a couple hours away.
 
#39
#39
and players jumping around all over the place via free agency certainly hasn't helped the situation. If you live in an area that precludes blind support for the local squad, you're probably much more focused on the players, than particular teams.

That said, I got Lydell Mitchell's autograph as a young kid and have been a Colt fan, at least somewhat, ever since. Peyton has cemented that. When he's gone, I'll find another Vol or Black Knight (in theory) to root for. Likely to be Berry, and he's only a couple hours away.

BPV, I've been thinking the same thing about what to do when Peyton retires.

The Chiefs were fun to watch when they had Dale Carter. Berry could be a lot like he was, especially his rookie season. I hope EB lasts a longer in the League because I'm not sure when the Vols are going to produce another player of that stature.
 
#40
#40
Funny how the Saints have three Vols on their super bowl team and you don't hear much about that on here.
Our independently owned sports store has had a Mike Curtis jersey up for years.He has been in business 40 plus years. Loyalty I suppose.
 
#41
#41
The last statement is a great summary of what I think so many managers of professional teams simply don't get. They're far too willing to trade players to whom their fans are loyal... and that loyalty often develops prior to the players association with the team.

For me, in football, that association starts while they are Vols.

I don't need to apologize to someone for Pittsburgh for not having been stuck in that godforsaken city as a child. :p


on that first part, you have to understand that professional football has to be a business first and it's goal is to put out the best possible product on the field; it's a business. While fans might like a "Keith Bulluck" for all he's done for the team over his career, once he reaches a point where he's either become really unproductive, ineffective, unable to play as well anymore (losing his starting spot I guess), or sometimes too old, the team really has to do what's best for it and its success, and oftentimes, that's moving on. But you see it alot with the stars: Moon ended his career in KC and SEA, Montana in KC, Favre's now in MIN. It would be nice if players could be kept for the fans' sake/like, but the team/Front office has to decide what's best for the team 1st.

It would be to have the Eddie Georges or Keith Bullucks or whoevers to keep playing/starting till they retired, but these guys reach these points where age (or injury) leaves them no longer as productive, and at that point the better guy has to start for a team to perform well, ....it's just part of the business aspect. Part of one of the aspect of the sport is (like college) that players come and go, and I feel most fans understand that. But most know and understand how the team's success comes first......and honestly, the general fan appears usually more happy with having a good season more than anything else
 
#42
#42
The last statement is a great summary of what I think so many managers of professional teams simply don't get. They're far too willing to trade players to whom their fans are loyal... and that loyalty often develops prior to the players association with the team.

For me, in football, that association starts while they are Vols.

I don't need to apologize to someone for Pittsburgh for not having been stuck in that godforsaken city as a child. :p

well, what you are kind of getting into is, what my friend likes to call, a "pro fan or college fan." The fans with the much stronger ties to the college tend to develop the stronger ties with individual players, leading to some association with professional teams that take the players from said college; on the other hand, pro fans he felt tend to form more of an initial association with the team before and then they come to like certain players...(whereas the college fan has a similar association with the school, allowing a 'revolving door' of associating the players that come and go through)

that's his theory though; it's not one I ever particularly subscribed to, but it does appear in some cases.

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That example I gave in what you quoted was my case though. While I vaguely knew about the NFL when I was 11, I didn't follow it or really know how to at that point. The closest I had to anything was that that John Elway was a good player and liked him....but without knowing how to watch it, that really didn't go anywhere (and really couldn't). That was my extent of professional football knowledge. I knew about the Super Bowl (which would have been the Falcons-Broncos), but all I knew was that it was on and that it came on too late for me to stay up and watch. (and Elway of course retired the following year, so I would guess any chance of forming a tie with the Broncos became completely moot then)

I had known Tennessee was getting a professional team, but that really was about it. Then in 99, my aunt and uncle took me to my first NFL game, the Titans-Falcons game that year. I had a great time; the fans were great, the team was good, I liked the stadium and how the stadium did everything[being a small child, i liked the dark blue uniforms], and after that experience I started to watch the NFL weekly, especially the Titans games (which were local) I really started to like guys like Steve McNair, Eddie George, Jevon Kearse (think I have liked the last two the most)....for some reason Blaine Bishop too. And I really started to follow the sport in that part of the season - not because the team was good I might clear up, but simply because it's when I found out how the sport worked.

My aunt and uncle took me to my first playoff game that year: that famous Titans-Buffalo game. I remember not only the game, but starting to get up and leave to turn around and see the music city miracle happen when people were about to give up hope. It is just something immense to have been a part of watching something both that impressive and historic like that. I watched the playoff game where they beat the Colts and then where they beat the Jaguars for the 3rd time that season (12 yr old self called it btw :) ). That Titans-Rams Super Bowl was the first Super Bowl I watched, both out of interest and actually being allowed to stay up that late when I had school the next day; and even though it ended the way it did, the team just grew on me from all that and on.

They became my team from that point on, and I've liked them ever since. But everyone has their own story, and what really matters is their ties to their team, of their varying strengths.
 
#43
#43
It's pretty easy. Pro football wasn't that big of a deal in Tennessee.

We grew up Vols fans for life. The NFL wasn't the topic.

perhaps there's a possibility then that those younger became more partial to the NFL team too because they were given the opportunity to grow up with both / have both around in the younger ages when they started to follow the sport more regularly/seriously


I have to admit, though, I've become a bit more partial to pro over college over the years. One part is just the level of play in these games is so much better (part of what comes with professional I'm sure). While I appreciate college ball alot still, especially for the fanbase's emotional intensity, I've really started to dislike more and more the way we treat the players:

Namely that these players are still kids (I'm in college; we're still kids, believe me) and at that still amateurs at this sport. However, we expect them to play flawlessly like they're a professional, and when they make some mistakes or have a bad game - which an amateur or a kid would still be prone to do at this point in career - we absolutely lay into them. There's just that really unrealistic expectation it seems in how these 18-20 year-olds should never make any mistakes, never have a bad game; mistakes should still be expected from them as part of the learning process, yet when it comes to a player having a bad game, he often gets lit up by fans, media, etc, like that should never have happened to them...they're still young
 
#45
#45
all the colts fans,and the ones that say that a nfl team has moved into a state,what do u think and who do u think ur ancesters rooted for,before university of tennessee was built,who did ur ancesters root for,my point is,just because the titans were not here untill 97,its still has the tennessee name to represent,were we pay taxes.the nfl players do do stuff for this state,including knoxville,TENNESSEE,including traveling there,and cleaning up things,incuding the flood of nashville,and doing things with the camp,with kids,from tennessee,do indiana do that for knoxville,nooooooooooo,dont think so.and only reason u like colts and manning,and colts,is that he is great qb,and they win alot,and he breaks records,u say any different,ur kidding ur self,not me.thats why u choose peyton over other vols in the nfl.he stands out more than any other vol players.



and in another 50 years,the titans,well TENNESSEE titans,will be like the university of tennessee meaning it will be here for almost 100 years.



and another thing if ur a colts fan,ur putting down the iniana people,because they also moved to that city,in early 80s,so ur saying that indiana shouldnt cheer for the ex baltimore team,stupid ok,its the name,not were they came from,its were they are now.



and like to see u go there,meaning colts fans that was born or is living here in TENNESSEE,go to a butler or purdue,or indiana college game,near indianapolis,and cheer for tennessee vols,they will not tolerate it,my point they do not care about tennessee,or football here.
 
#47
#47
i know this is dumb,we all live in tennessee,why fight over football with the same state name,its college then professiuonal,theres room for both teams here,one plays saturday,then our pro state team plays SUNDAY.
 
#48
#48
I just don't get how someone could just "start" being a fan of a pro team that they didn't grow up rooting for because one of our players is on the team. We have SO many NFL players and I think it slights each and every one of them to root for the Colts only because of Peyton. Are you going to change teams when he retires??

most people support the colts because Peyton went in there and turned that team completely around. he helped turn them in to a powerhouse. and even though he's now no longer a player, he helps this university more than anyone of us could imagine and he will never forget where he played his college ball
 
#49
#49
Another thing is that we tennesseans,are all bandwagoners,if we went for another team growing up,because tennessee didnt have a team,so if we all went for another team u had to be a band wagoner,cause we went for a team,that we decided to go for,for what ever reason it is,but now we have a team,now id rather band wagon to my state team,to represent tennessee now we have a team.



If ur 10 or twelve,u had a home team,tennessee titans,but us adults we didnt so we all band wagoners if we liked any nfl team back then.so id rather go with the state tennessee.
 
#50
#50
As a Vols fan living outside DC, allow me to chime in -

1 - Haynesworth is an embarrassment to TN at this point. He's shown he only cares about Albert. Shanahan when to him in April and said, "here's the defense, I can understand if you don't want to play in it, so before you get paid your $21M bonus check, I'm giving you the option. You can leave and we'll trade you now, or you take the $21M and you commit to this team" Haynesworth took the check, and has been nothing but a giant a$$ every since. I think DC will trade him to just get him out of the locker room. What yesterday's game proved to Haynesworth is that he's not as great as he thinks he is, the team's defense was stellar without him.

2 - I think cracking people over the head for their lack of loyalty over NFL teams is retarded. The NFL has changed over the years - intentionally by the owners - and there is no longer any sense of local alligiance, it's about gaining national following and selling merchandise. The world of Baltimore in the early 1960's a la "Diner" has gone forever. People are more transient, players are more transient, there is no sense of belonging anymore. Look, the most annoying fans for me are Steelers fans, because they don't assimilate. Any town in the country has a sports bar somewhere with a black and gold corner in it. Heck Julios Between the Buns (my favorite place) in West Knoxville (long since gone, I heard) had a black and gold corner.

I grew up in southern VA - no local team. I just followed folks I really liked or admired. I had a ton of Colts gear, I loved Unitis, but when they left for Indy, I chucked them for a long time. I've also pulled for the Redskins, the Titans, and a few other teams. The reality in my house, though, is that we are all Vols fans, and we watch NFL because it's OK, but there is a distinct difference.

What's the big deal?
 
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