Former Seattle Seahawks coach: "Dobbs has a chance to be a FRANCHISE QB in the NFL"

#152
#152
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I can find way more busts who put up big numbers and made All American teams in college than you can find guys who became stars in the NFL.

There is NO CORRELATION to college performance and NFL success. You will find just as many NFL stars who never made an all-american or all-conference team as you will find those who do.
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You do understand "finding busts" is a galactic logical fail, right? (oh wait, it's you, why would I expect understanding?) I just put forth where every NFL offensive skill position record (QB, RB, WR & TE) was held by a college stud at their respective position. ALL OF THEM. The only way NOT to call that a correlation is to not understand what "correlation" even means.

Now again, (and by again I mean I've said this already) success in college does not in any way guarantee success but that doesn't preclude correlation. So, let's go deeper.

Top 10 QB's since 1990 (that position has changed a lot so, with all due respect to, say, Fran Tarkenton, I'm wanting to keep this one more modern)
Peyton Manning-no explanation needed
Favre-nothing special
Drew Brees- Big10 POTYx2, over 11k yards
Brady- nothing special
Eli Manning-no explanation needed
Ben Roethlisberger-MAC OPOTY, over 10k
Drew Bledsoe-Pac10 OPOTY
Philip Rivers-ACC POTY
Carson Palmer-Heisman
Kerry Collins-AA

So basically 8 of 10 managed at least a conference Offensive Player Of The Year honor. No correlation huh?

Rushing
Emmitt Smith-AA
Walter Payton-AA
Barry Sanders-Heisman
Curtis Martin-nothing special
LaDainian Tomlinson-AA
Jerome Bettis*
Eric Dickerson-AA
Tony Dorsett-Heisman
Frank Gore*
Jim Brown-AA

First check out that 7 of 10 are at least AA if not Heisman winners. *Bettis and Gore are interesting in that neither even had 350 career attempts, 337 and 348 respectively. (to put that in perspective Henry had 395 just last season alone) Still both put up over 1900 yards on those carries and both had a better ypc than Henry did on his way to winning the Heisman. Upshot- from the RB position the only true outlier is Curtis Martin. Yeah, strong correlation between NFL career yardage leaders and success in college.
 
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#153
#153
hndog609 said:
You do understand "finding busts" is a galactic logical fail, right? (oh wait, it's you, why would I expect understanding?) I just put forth where every NFL offensive skill position record (QB, RB, WR & TE) was held by a college stud at their respective position. ALL OF THEM. The only way NOT to call that a correlation is to not understand what "correlation" even means.

Now again, (and by again I mean I've said this already) success in college does not in any way guarantee success but that doesn't preclude correlation. So, let's go deeper.

Top 10 QB's since 1990 (that position has changed a lot so, with all due respect to, say, Fran Tarkenton, I'm wanting to keep this one more modern)
Peyton Manning-no explanation needed
Favre-nothing special
Drew Brees- Big10 POTYx2, over 11k yards
Brady- nothing special
Eli Manning-no explanation needed
Ben Roethlisberger-MAC OPOTY, over 10k
Drew Bledsoe-Pac10 OPOTY
Philip Rivers-ACC POTY
Carson Palmer-Heisman
Kerry Collins-AA

So basically 8 of 10 managed at least a conference Offensive Player Of The Year honor. No correlation huh?

Rushing
Emmitt Smith-AA
Walter Payton-AA
Barry Sanders-Heisman
Curtis Martin-nothing special
LaDainian Tomlinson-AA
Jerome Bettis*
Eric Dickerson-AA
Tony Dorsett-Heisman
Frank Gore*
Jim Brown-AA

First check out that 7 of 10 are at least AA if not Heisman winners. *Bettis and Gore are interesting in that neither even had 350 career attempts, 337 and 348 respectively. (to put that in perspective Henry had 395 just last season alone) Still both put up over 1900 yards on those carries and both had a better ypc than Henry did on his way to winning the Heisman. Upshot- from the RB position the only true outlier is Curtis Martin. Yeah, strong correlation between NFL career yardage leaders and success in college.
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You forgot Adrian Peterson.
 
#157
#157
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
There is NO CORRELATION to college performance and NFL success. You will find just as many NFL stars who never made an all-american or all-conference team as you will find those who do.
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It's not at all surprising that you don't understand simple statistics.

If there are really just as many non-All-American/All-Conference players as actual all-American/ All-Conference players, that's a huge statistical correlation in support of great collegiate stats translates, oftentimes, to good NFL careers.
 
#158
#158
The real question is what team needs a QB and willing to draft him?

Miami? (QB competition race)

San Diego? (Sit and learn approach)
 
#160
#160
But the QB situation in the NFL is brutal.

Dobbs has less room to wiggle with if he's not projected to be a starter. Meaning if he doesn't get the win in his debut, his days are numbered.

The first round picks are less likely to be cut because of their high priced contracts and expectations.

I have steeler fans and they hated the fact that Landry was put in the game against the cowboys for just 1 down! Landry isn't bad but he was just not the starter.

Dobbs has to exceed his abilities when his name is called. If not, he will be disposed quickly
 
#161
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
70% of the league needs a starting QB.

The QB play is terrible right now in the NFL.
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It's because of playcalling or lack of development.

The Eagles coach is a QB guy and Wentz is a coachable QB.

Goff is not that great from beginning. Fisher is a defensive guy

It's not that the QBs are terrible... it's that teams have no patience
 
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Dougie_D said:
It's because of playcalling or lack of development.

The Eagles coach is a QB guy and Wentz is a coachable QB.

Goff is not that great from beginning. Fisher is a defensive guy

It's not that the QBs are terrible... it's that teams have no patience
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No. The QBs are terrible. Guys like Goff have no talent. They get elevated because of gimmick college systems that inflate statistics.
 
#165
#165
I think the biggest issue would be one of Dobbs biggest assets in his running ability. That works extremely well in college, not so well in the NFL. Unless you have Vick like ability or Newton like size. Dobbs would have to adjust his game to be more of a pocket passer. I am not saying he couldnt, but it could be tough.

The botom line is nobody has a clue what will happen with Dobbs and the NFL. He could go the NFL and be a star. He could go and become the next Ryan Leaf or Tee Martin. Then again, Dobbs may pass on the NFL all together and become an engineer. Whatever he decides to do, I hope he has a successful career and a long, happy life.
 
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