Former Players Asked To Leave Practice?

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manfromtn said:
I do believe he did. By the age of 16 in the 18th century, you more than likely were a man. This doesn't compare to today though. I am pretty sure GW didn't have a PS3, XBOX 360, going to the mall, football games, etc. etc. to occupy his time. He probably had to be carrying water for the family, cutting wood to stay warm, hunting for food, etc.
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Your thought process is why this country is headed where it is. Everyone gets a pass. Nobody is held accountable anymore for their actions. It is why we have an eat the rich mentality now. I used GW as ONE example. I could have used over 100,000 examples during WW2 after the motion picture was invented, or examples of "young kids" right now who are choosing to study and get into top notch schools over drinking and partying. It is not an age thing. It is a mentality thing.
 
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Orangekush423 said:
I'm with you, just pointing out that he didn't do it. He could have yes. Anyway, DD has elite classes to his resume as does CLK. We will need a strong combo of coaching and recruiting to win. I think an over emphasis on either (or unbalanced abilities w/n a staff) is where the trouble is. ie ND,UF Zook, UA Shula. Strength in one helps with weakness in the other but only to a point. To be elite you need elite coaches + elite players. Period.
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agreed , for every coach that could use their tope notch talent there are the Zooks and Shula ( although I don't think he was quite there in the talent department ) Then there are the guys that should field much better teams than they do ( Richt , Miles ) . I hope CDD can coach as well as recruit . I am encouraged by the staff he has surrounded himself with ...but worried about the recruiting . The fact that we have yet to get a nibble on the 2011 recruits is scary. Also the silence is bothersome . I miss keeping up with the program BUT the rumblings coming from the press is a bad thing . If you lose the media , they will chase you out with pitchforks .
 
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utmba93 said:
I think his taking the LA Tech job qualifies as taking a risk (showing he has gonads and all that stuff you are crediting him for having). I'll give him that.

The UT job was a way out that he had not yet earned. He might have been able to earn it at LA Tech within a couple of years. UT was the risk taker in the Dooley hire.

I wasn't talking about Kiffin, but I agree that his best option was the UT job when he took it as well. Again, UT was the risk taker in his case. And, USC is a nice golden egg for him. It will be a lot easier for him to win there (assuming no probation). I hope he doesn't, but we know that's easier to do than to win in the SEC. Dooley has a lot harder road than does Kiffin at this stage.

I still say he'd be better as an AD. He's really perfect for that job.
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1.You do realize he was on LSU and Ga's shortlist don't you? You act as if we are the only school to know who he is. While not the sexiest hire, FB PEOPLE know DD, and respect his abilities.
2. He(eric) wasn't talking about Kiffin either, he was talkin about MChamp I do believe. The fact that he DIDN'T take the job.
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majic73 said:
agreed , for every coach that could use their tope notch talent there are the Zooks and Shula ( although I don't think he was quite there in the talent department ) Then there are the guys that should field much better teams than they do ( Richt , Miles ) . I hope CDD can coach as well as recruit . I am encouraged by the staff he has surrounded himself with ...but worried about the recruiting . The fact that we have yet to get a nibble on the 2011 recruits is scary. Also the silence is bothersome . I miss keeping up with the program BUT the rumblings coming from the press is a bad thing . If you lose the media , they will chase you out with pitchforks .
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Recruiting- Its way early, he's still way behind on these guys (newly evaluated guys). I would be surprised if we don't have some commits by August. Just Because LT and co have relationships with some guys from '11, doesn't mean they are the same targets. Even if they are, they must be re-evaluated under the new staff's standards/wants.He's not in the twighlight zone. He has done this before. (Assuming your aware of LSU)
Silence- while I'm not a huge fan of the silent thing, I understand it. He wants to control any information that comes out. The best way to do this is to,from day 1, start from the ground up. IMO, the first months on a new job are the most important. I believe he is laying "his" foundation for his restoration plan.Much like LK did with the "Beat Fla" and "He cheated" statements. Now, I'm not gonna try and say this method is better than daily headlines. I personally loved the way LK kept us in the news. But, its drast difference in style doesn't mean its wrong either.

Media being pissy- Who cares? They can only run him out of town if he's not winning (This is obviously my mindset and not his) We, as a fan base, went surprisingly easy on Kiff's performance in year 1. I myself was very please with PD, W-L (mostly) and recruiting. 2 of the 3 we couldn't possibly know yet. As for recruiting, see #1.
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#355
One thing I haven't seen mentioned is the fact that going back to Johnny Majors there's really not been any reason to have a policy regarding former players because the staff knew them all. If there were a bunch of folks standing around at workouts/practice there's nothing wrong with asking them to leave. It's easier to throw a bunch of folks out of practice rather than trying to figure out who should and shouldn't be there. CDD could have handled the fallout better imo, but there's no reason former players should feel insulted by having to call first.
 
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PrimeTime said:
When I read Berry's comments I saw it completely differently.I saw a guy who was concerned about the university, someone who thought it was important to have former players at practice.
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When I read Berry's comments, I saw someone who was concernd with the university handle his concerns the wrong way.

When I read his comments after his meeting with Dooley, it only strengthened my opinion. His concerns appear to be put to rest, and he had nothing put great things to say about the direction Dooley was taking the program.

Had he brought his concerns to Dooley in the first place instead of talking about it to people who make a living trying to tear down the program, there would have been no story and his concerns would have been put to rest.
 
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Dr Dread said:
When I read Berry's comments, I saw someone who was concernd with the university handle his concerns the wrong way.

When I read his comments after his meeting with Dooley, it only strengthened my opinion. His concerns appear to be put to rest, and he had nothing put great things to say about the direction Dooley was taking the program.

Had he brought his concerns to Dooley in the first place instead of talking about it to people who make a living trying to tear down the program, there would have been no story and his concerns would have been put to rest.
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So, Freddie White and Terry Fair are trying to tear down our program?
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Your thought process is why this country is headed where it is. Everyone gets a pass. Nobody is held accountable anymore for their actions. It is why we have an eat the rich mentality now. I used GW as ONE example. I could have used over 100,000 examples during WW2 after the motion picture was invented, or examples of "young kids" right now who are choosing to study and get into top notch schools over drinking and partying. It is not an age thing. It is a mentality thing.
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I think that is quite the stretch. Would you mind listing them?
 
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Orangekush423 said:
Recruiting- Its way early, he's still way behind on these guys (newly evaluated guys). I would be surprised if we don't have some commits by August. Just Because LT and co have relationships with some guys from '11, doesn't mean they are the same targets. Even if they are, they must be re-evaluated under the new staff's standards/wants.He's not in the twighlight zone. He has done this before. (Assuming your aware of LSU)
Silence- while I'm not a huge fan of the silent thing, I understand it. He wants to control any information that comes out. The best way to do this is to,from day 1, start from the ground up. IMO, the first months on a new job are the most important. I believe he is laying "his" foundation for his restoration plan.Much like LK did with the "Beat Fla" and "He cheated" statements. Now, I'm not gonna try and say this method is better than daily headlines. I personally loved the way LK kept us in the news. But, its drast difference in style doesn't mean its wrong either.

Media being pissy- Who cares? They can only run him out of town if he's not winning (This is obviously my mindset and not his) We, as a fan base, went surprisingly easy on Kiff's performance in year 1. I myself was very please with PD, W-L (mostly) and recruiting. 2 of the 3 we couldn't possibly know yet. As for recruiting, see #1.
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I agree with everything you say .

My opinion on CDD recruiting ...I have no opinion . He recruited well for Saban at LSU ....but saban recruited well before Dooley and he has turned bama into a recruiting monster without Dooley. It is pretty clear that Saban was/is the successful recruiter. Now that is definately not to say that Dooley cannot replicate it .

I agree than Kiffin had a successful season last year . By its merits , coming in with no qb , depth issues , wal ons in key positions , no proven running back , and a murderous schedule that could have been a 4-5 year .

My point on the media differs somewhat from you . I don't take much from the talking heads ...but they can make a coach miserable. They are grumbling because of CDD's general info lockout . If he has a 5 win year ...which he may and it is no fault of his own ( he has the same issues Kiffin faced x 2 ) the media will chew him up . The media affects the fan perception , recruiting , and most importantly the booster perception . I understand he is choosing the 'Saban' way to skin the proverbial cat ...but Saban was a proven winner ...he could afford a 6 win season .

IMHO - Dooley needs to engage the fan base . Attendance was poor last season , a was a huge reason in Fulmer's firing . Dooley is not in a position to endure a 5-6 win season with everybody mad at him . maybe he knows what he is doing and intends to win 8-9 games ?
 
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#360
Why do you we want EB at practice he is done... No longer on the team... Distraction if you ask me.. If he is pissed then dont leave early...

Im sure they were causing problems ... CDD is not going to put up with BS like Kiffin did..
 
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majic73 said:
My point on the media differs somewhat from you . I don't take much from the talking heads ...but they can make a coach miserable. They are grumbling because of CDD's general info lockout . If he has a 5 win year ...which he may and it is no fault of his own ( he has the same issues Kiffin faced x 2 ) the media will chew him up . The media affects the fan perception , recruiting , and most importantly the booster perception . I understand he is choosing the 'Saban' way to skin the proverbial cat ...but Saban was a proven winner ...he could afford a 6 win season .

IMHO - Dooley needs to engage the fan base . Attendance was poor last season , a was a huge reason in Fulmer's firing . Dooley is not in a position to endure a 5-6 win season with everybody mad at him . maybe he knows what he is doing and intends to win 8-9 games ?
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yep
 
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#362
I would like anyone, anyone at all, who thinks CDD needs to be "engaging" the fan base to give me at least 5 examples of things he specifically could do to accomplish this. Keep in mind, he hasn't seen his players do much of anything other than go to class and lift weights. Oh yeah, they did have a 2-hour practice today... with helmets! The only rule here with the 5 examples is that they should be football related, so doing birthday parties or Bar mitzvahs doesn't count...
 
#363
#363
Why would dooley want to make former players mad by running them out of practice? He needs all the help he can get as a new coach to build his cred with UT and needs to bring all these players into the program.
 
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Vol Jedi said:
I would like anyone, anyone at all, who thinks CDD needs to be "engaging" the fan base to give me at least 5 examples of things he specifically could do to accomplish this. Keep in mind, he hasn't seen his players do much of anything other than go to class and lift weights. Oh yeah, they did have a 2-hour practice today... with helmets! The only rule here with the 5 examples is that they should be football related, so doing birthday parties or Bar mitzvahs doesn't count...
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1) Pop out of his hiding place from time to time , say a word or two about some generic drill , their team goals , ect ect .

2) fire the sports info dept up ...crank out some feature articles on some players , coaches , community service m progressive in the weight room and in acedemics

3) Forget Kiffin ...that always brings out the negative . Dooley needs to market himself like Bruce Pearl maybe

4) Maybe unveil his assistants ? I have yet to hear one of them speak CDD can hold their hand if he wants to ...it would just build a bit of confidence in them if there was just that small amount of access

5) Let some of your more responsible players speak from time to time . Think about how much we heard from EB , MH , JC last off season ...crickets now

He does not have to be Kiffin . He is not Saban ( yet ) Saban was an winner , then an SEC champ , then a national champ . Saban could endure a 6 win season ...before he again became a winner , SEC champ , and NC again .

If he does not win and he alienates the fan base and can only fill up Neyland with 90000 fans ...he will have a short tenure. You can only do the top secret Saban stuff if you get results. The Kiffin approach is to sell a 7 win season into something far more than it is . I think CDD needs to find the happy median here .

I just want to connect with the team in the dead time ...most of us are begging to be 'marketed' to . He has a product , he needs to sell it . I am buyin' , I want to believe.
 
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NewToVolCountry said:
I think that is quite the stretch. Would you mind listing them?
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Count the dead and injured bodies on German and Japanese soil and it adds up to way more than 100,000 18-25 year olds. You might want to pick up a history book sometime. WW2 stands for World War 2 if you didn't know. It's not just a game on your Xbox that you're playing late at night, while getting drunk, and barely passing your classes. It actually happened.
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Count the dead and injured bodies on German and Japanese soil and it adds up to way more than 100,000 18-25 year olds. You might want to pick up a history book sometime. WW2 stands for World War 2 if you didn't know. It's not just a game on your Xbox that you're playing late at night, while getting drunk, and barely passing your classes. It actually happened.
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You mean that sh!t on Call of Duty is real? Damn ain't that something. By the way, you left out Italian and African soil. I may play xbox bud, but my education by far surpasses your own.
 
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VolsRule said:
Why would dooley want to make former players mad by running them out of practice? He needs all the help he can get as a new coach to build his cred with UT and needs to bring all these players into the program.
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Actually, after watching the video interview with him explaining that all he wants is for them to call first so he knows that they're coming I think he's doing the right thing. You don't want it to turn in to the University of Miami where it they had gang members hanging out at practices. The line has to be drawn somewhere, and with all the silliness that's happened at UT for the past few years with team members, it might keep some people away that have no business being around the team.
 
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#370
Saw a piece on Dooley on the news and he seemed a bit angry in his presser today about former players walking in without notice. He said that he prefers they call him before coming and wonder if it is that hard to pick up the phone.
 
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robvols said:
Saw a piece on Dooley on the news and he seemed a bit angry in his presser today about former players walking in without notice. He said that he prefers they call him before coming and wonder if it is that hard to pick up the phone.
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He wants to make it a point to interact with them and wants to know who is coming to his practices. It's really not that big of a deal, if fact, if you haven't learned to call a head of time and let people know your coming by the age of 21-23, then you need work on your people skills honestly. Common courtesy is something that a bunch of people lack.
 
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robvols said:
Saw a piece on Dooley on the news and he seemed a bit angry in his presser today about former players walking in without notice. He said that he prefers they call him before coming and wonder if it is that hard to pick up the phone.
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He wasn't mad at the players, but he was mad at the reporters making a big deal out of nothing. They were acting like calling ahead of time is a huge task.
 
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#373
Dooley shouldn't make former players mad. They will be useful in recruiting, especially if they make it big in the NFL and are bringing in tons of cash.
 
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VolsRule said:
Dooley shouldn't make former players mad. They will be useful in recruiting, especially if they make it big in the NFL and are bringing in tons of cash.
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Dooley is in complete control and has the right to have his practices closed to people he does not know. He is the HEAD coach. At practice, people standing around can be a distraction. I hate to tell you but this guy runs the show and will let you know real quick because it is his ass on the line. He realizes that if he is not successful it is on him. That's why he has to do it his own way. Hell...I want him to be a control freak...lol!
 
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