Former Players Asked To Leave Practice?

[g8terh8ter_eric]

I was referring to your post where you referenced "heard him complaining"
We haven't heard anything, and the last thing I would expect would be complaing he went from 400K a year a LA Tech, to 2+ Million at Tennessee.
I don't blame DD for taking the job, I blame Hamilton for hiring him

Yet you hear nothing, and he's working his tail off from what I have been told trying to make up for lost time from where the last staff left. They are 6-8 months behind in this class as far as relationships go with recruits. I'm sorry, I quite thoroughly enjoy the fact that our coaching is working and not running his mouth. As far as Hamilton hiring him, it took Phil running our program into the crapper before anything happened, and Kiffin tried to sabotage it as well before he left. This all reminds me of a house that's been partially build by idiots and trying to find a decent carpenter to finish it, after everything has been screwed up from Day 1, without tearing it down and starting over.

 

[NewToVolCountry]

I was referring to your post where you referenced "heard him complaining"
We haven't heard anything, and the last thing I would expect would be complaing he went from 400K a year a LA Tech, to 2+ Million at Tennessee.
I don't blame DD for taking the job, I blame Hamilton for hiring him

You actually think he was that bad of a hire? He has had great tutelage. He is a proven recruiter at both LSU under Saban and as a closer this year for UT. He is a class act. He is going to shape up this program and bring pride back to the Volunteer name. With Lane Kiffin as our coach we lost everyone's respect on and off the field. Dooley has not proven he can coach at this level yet. Then again, he also hasn't proven he can't. Give him a chance. He is just what the program needs after running through coaches like we have. If after a few years the wins aren't coming, then you will be justified if you choose to argue. Until then, calm your sh!t.

 

[majic73]

haven't you heard? the SECC is awarded based on star points at rivals. or is it scout?

and starting this year the same basis is going to be used for the Sears trophy ...

Funny that you say that ...you must have an inside track to what will be coming out of the SEC offices ....
The may as well award the title like that ...call it the Cut To The Chase rule

Who won the SEC ? Alabama . Who won it before them ? Florida . Who did Alabama have to play to win it ? Florida

Who did Alabama win the NC by beating ? Texas

Quick ...don't think just blurt it out ...name 3 recruiting juggernauts ...ALABAMA , TEXAS , FLORIDA

The winners are winning the recruiting wars . Plain , simple , easy . The way to win the recruiting wars is to get the most and the best . There is an obvious correlation .

Steve Spurrier at Florida = WINNER
Steve Spurrier at USCe = LOSER

Dooley must recruit in the top 5 to compete with the elite SEC teams . Bottom line . Top 15 makes you Georgia or Arkansas. Kiffin was doing that . He is gone . Dooley must do it now .

 

[JustFunnN'Orange]

Yet you hear nothing, and he's working his tail off from what I have been told trying to make up for lost time from where the last staff left. They are 6-8 months behind in this class as far as relationships go with recruits. I'm sorry, I quite thoroughly enjoy the fact that our coaching is working and not running his mouth. As far as Hamilton hiring him, it took Phil running our program into the crapper before anything happened, and Kiffin tried to sabotage it as well before he left. This all reminds me of a house that's been partially build by idiots and trying to find a decent carpenter to finish it, after everything has been screwed up from Day 1, without tearing it down and starting over.

Great analogy Eric...:good!:

 

[VOODOOVOL]

I was referring to your post where you referenced "heard him complaining"
We haven't heard anything, and the last thing I would expect would be complaing he went from 400K a year a LA Tech, to 2+ Million at Tennessee.
I don't blame DD for taking the job, I blame Hamilton for hiring him

Kiffin went from $0 to 2 mil, so your whole being thankful=silence analogy is wrong
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[arTfuldodger]

Majic, what year did Kiffin have a top5 class? I must have missed that season.
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[sjt18]

I was referring to your post where you referenced "heard him complaining"
We haven't heard anything, and the last thing I would expect would be complaing he went from 400K a year a LA Tech, to 2+ Million at Tennessee.
I don't blame DD for taking the job, I blame Hamilton for hiring him

I wouldn't say "blame" but I would use the word "accountable".

Hamilton made what turned out to be a horrible hiring decision with Kiffin. Yes. Regardless of how those with a crush on CLK might want to spin it... the signs were there that the guy could be a snake. Hamilton ignored them and gave CLK a job his resume didn't warrant either. But he had an instinct about him... one that I think might have been rewarded if CLK had even a common degree of loyalty, integrity, class, character, morality,...

Hamilton had a chance to go safe with Cut or maybe Kippy. Those hires would have had more limited risks with regard to Hamilton's future at UT. They would have had limited upside too. We probably would have seen a return to "respectability" in the SEC... which basically means beating everyone except UF, Bama, or whoever else sat on the throne at the time. It would have been a return to the perpetual bridesmaid role.

Contrary to what some seem to believe, these appear to have been Hamilton's choices- bunt the runner over to 2nd and hope to tie the game... or swing for the fence. He took a swing. He couldn't choose Muschamp, Calhoun, etc... those guys quietly said "not interested". Dooley either is another Saban... with maybe more class or else he should become the last bad hire Hamilton gets to make for UT. Either way, you've got to hand it to him for having some gumption.

Bottom line: If this hire goes bad, Hamilton should be fired too.

 

[arTfuldodger]

sjt-
1. While I agree kiff is a snake, last year was at worst a solid bandaid between fulmer and dd.
2. You do know that Muschamp was very close top taking the deal don't you?
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[sjt18]

sjt-
1. While I agree kiff is a snake, last year was at worst a solid bandaid between fulmer and dd.

It is all speculative. However even though I hold CLK in absolute contempt, he was making a move at UT.

2. You do know that Muschamp was very close top taking the deal don't you?
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That was the rumor. But then he said no and stayed DC at Texas. He had to have calculated the risks with the UT offer and decided a "coach in waiting" promise with a very high probability of success and one of the best talent bases in the country was more favorable. That situation at Texas was just a better proposition than a depleted roster, shaky recruiting class, and unsettled fanbase at UT.

 

[SunblindOrange]

Well, 18 pages of nothing but rumors. I hope Barbara doesnt read this. She will be on here or come visit a few media members when she hears about this. LOL.

How many more days to football?

 

[SGMVols]

Majic, what year did Kiffin have a top5 class? I must have missed that season.
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This year at USC, and he will have the #1 class if Henderson signs. He was well on his way to a top 5 class at UT before he left.

 

[NashVol11]

Hamilton made what turned out to be a horrible hiring decision with Kiffin. Yes. Regardless of how those with a crush on CLK might want to spin it... the signs were there that the guy could be a snake. Hamilton ignored them and gave CLK a job his resume didn't warrant either. But he had an instinct about him... one that I think might have been rewarded if CLK had even a common degree of loyalty, integrity, class, character, morality,...

You've said that your problem with Kiffin isn't him leaving, but how he did it. So even if he was the classiest man in the world and left nicely, he still would have left, and we would still be screwed...the whole morality question really doesn't change the current situation or Hamilton's dilemma much at all...

 

[arTfuldodger]

This year at USC, and he will have the #1 class if Henderson signs. He was well on his way to a top 5 class at UT before he left.

Way to come in on the end of a convo uninformed. Your intentions aside, you are correct, it was (if any more they were too)@ USC. My boy sjit (?) said he DID here.
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[majic73]

Majic, what year did Kiffin have a top5 class? I must have missed that season.
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It is pretty obvious that he was on his way to a top 5 finish at UT this season . The frame work was laid , he showed last year that he was a closer . The two DE that were lost , the 2 receivers that were lost , no telling how many silent committs and last minute switches he had . He closed out at So Cal . They will be top 5 at So Cal in 2011 if the bottom doesn't fall out due to violations.

Doesn't matter Kiffin is gone ...Dooley must recruit at the top . It seems the winners now are the top recruiters . You have 'anomolies' like Va Tech ...but the correlation between top recruiting and winning is hard to argue.
Great coaching is a wonderful thing .... but when you look back at what coaches can do when they have the horses and compare to when they don't is is an easy read ( Spurrier , Holtz , Fulmer ...to name a few )

 

[arTfuldodger]

It is pretty obvious that he was on his way to a top 5 finish at UT this season . The frame work was laid , he showed last year that he was a closer . The two DE that were lost , the 2 receivers that were lost , no telling how many silent committs and last minute switches he had . He closed out at So Cal . They will be top 5 at So Cal in 2011 if the bottom doesn't fall out due to violations.

Doesn't matter Kiffin is gone ...Dooley must recruit at the top . It seems the winners now are the top recruiters . You have 'anomolies' like Va Tech ...but the correlation between top recruiting and winning is hard to argue.
Great coaching is a wonderful thing .... but when you look back at what coaches can do when they have the horses and compare to when they don't is is an easy read ( Spurrier , Holtz , Fulmer ...to name a few )

I'm with you, just pointing out that he didn't do it. He could have yes. Anyway, DD has elite classes to his resume as does CLK. We will need a strong combo of coaching and recruiting to win. I think an over emphasis on either (or unbalanced abilities w/n a staff) is where the trouble is. ie ND,UF Zook, UA Shula. Strength in one helps with weakness in the other but only to a point. To be elite you need elite coaches + elite players. Period.
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[raherndon]

Not a good idea when you'll be expecting some money back from these guys in a few years.

 

[utvolpj]

Not a good idea when you'll be expecting some money back from these guys in a few years.

around 80% of NFL players are bankrupt within 2 years. He'd do better inviting people from the business school to visit practice if money is his goal

 

[JZVOL]

I honestly think that people are just trying to use every excuse in the book not to support the hire. It's his record, it's La Tech, it's this, it's that. Remember one thing though, Lane Kiffin had a worse record as a HC when he came here with all his glitz and glamor. Yet, he bolted for an already built program with less of a compliance office the first chance he got. Dooley is behind the 8-Ball right now, but I think he's got a bigger sack for taking the challenge up and going with it. You haven't heard him complaining one iota that Kiffin left, yet he's making every effort to make this school successful again. Some people just seem butt hurt because we don't have a coach with a big resume, but sometimes those people with the smaller resume come out and surprise you. I'm not saying he's going be Bear Bryant, Joe Pa, or Bobby Bowden, but they all got their start somewhere and selling a guy short before he gets his hands dirty and shows you what he has is spineless. I'm not calling you out personally bro, just using your post to make a point.

Pretty good points but it's tough to compare a WAC record to an NFL record.

 

[raherndon]

around 80% of NFL players are bankrupt within 2 years. He'd do better inviting people from the business school to visit practice if money is his goal

Probably. I bet you could go in a pick which players will be broke and which won't. I wouldn't think Berry would be but those Bentleys look awfully nice.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

Pretty good points but it's tough to compare a WAC record to an NFL record.

But yet, somehow a fired NFL HC who was a former assistant coach at a school who doesn't really know what compliance is, is somehow more qualified for a job than a coach who was in the NFL longer than he was, has as many NC's as he does, and has been a recruiting coordinator in the best conference in football. If Lane didn't have his daddy, he would be a coordinator somewhere right now.

 

[arTfuldodger]

But yet, somehow a fired NFL HC who was a former assistant coach at a school who doesn't really know what compliance is, is somehow more qualified for a job than a coach who was in the NFL longer than he was, has as many NC's as he does, and has been a recruiting coordinator in the best conference in football. If Lane didn't have his daddy, he would be a coordinator somewhere right now.

Your points made me think, if you continue with the similarities in the two coaches resume(s) DD's recruiting classes at LSU are similar to lanes @ USC, so other than Monte, what's the difference.
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[g8terh8ter_eric]

Your points made me think, if you continue with the similarities in the two coaches resume(s) DD's recruiting classes at LSU are similar to lanes @ USC, so other than Monte, what's the difference.
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There is none. It's all glitz and glamor with Kiffin.

 

[Dr Dread]

I'm a hugh fan of EB. I've been watching UT football since the early 80's, and he's the best I've seen in that time. This still doesn't make him bigger than UT football.

If he's going to run to the press everytime he hears something he doesn't like about the program, then maybe he shouldn't be allowed around the program (calm down...I'm exaggerating). To read that he admitted he wasn't sure what Dooley's policy concerning practices was, and that he hadn't met or talked with Dooley, but felt it was wise to run to the media makes me wonder what he would do if he didn't like something he saw at practice.

Loose lips sink ships, and this ship is already in turbulent waters. No need to feed the sharks (Hooker, Hymes...).

GL EB & GBO.

 

[UTBEATEMALL]

Well said!

 

[got orange]

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