former educators,

[Hacksaw]

I absolutely accept your apology. It takes a lot of integrity to offer an apology like that. A difference in opinion is one thing, but I thought you were painting with too broad a brush and I took umbrage. If I came across as too brusque or brash, I apologize as well.

There needs to be accountability in the profession, and most times, I believe there is. But I think that teachers can get old and stale, and like any other profession, you’ll come across people that aren’t compatible with the job. I hope we can always have a civil discourse like this.

Now will teaching experience, at whatever level, help our follicly-challenged staff build up our team? I don’t see how it can hurt. Like Vol8188 said, coaching is teaching. Go Vols!

As I said in my first post in this thread, I hope it helps.

Glad there's no hard feelings and I certainly don't feel you need to apologize for anything. I have at least one public school teacher in my own family and my best friend's wife is a teacher. So I understand that this subject hits close to home for a lot of people.

 

[Nashvol2]

You bring up a good point and I believe you are absolutely correct.

Teaching is the foundation of player development Teaching demands patience and knowledge. Traits inherent in educators.

Coach 'em up!

Interesting point. Teachers and great recruiters could make for a great staff.

 

[iluvsmesumdooley]

Who are the former educators on the staff outside of Pruitt?

 

[Vol8188]

Who are the former educators on the staff outside of Pruitt?

Him and the DC both coached together at Hoover

 

[jonnon111]

As an educator myself, I highly value "teaching." But I also know you don't have to stand in front of a chalk board to be a good teacher.

 

[Titan&Volfan4life]

Coaches ARE Teachers and anyone that doesn't know that simply doesn't know anything about sports.

I just hope our new coaches are very good Teachers and can get our Vols back to collecting WINS.

You can take the kids to the Teachers but you can't force the kids to learn, they have to want to learn.

The coaches also can't make the kids execute no matter how much coaching/Teaching they've done with the kids.

VFL...GBO!!!

 

[river rat]

WTF? My sympathies to the OP for having what could have been an interesting discussion ruined by a bunch of knuckle draggers.

 

[Vol_Doc]

I don't do facebook. I am just commenting on the stories that often I so often see in the daily news

I imagine you're talking Fox News. They seem to have an obsession with teachers who are charged with having sexual relationships with their students. It's pretty grotesque that they seem to have at least one story like that every day. I'd hate to think that it's a propaganda campaign to discredit public education, but you never know.

Point is that there are bad apples in every area of business and public service. To generalize that to all is wrong. Not all teachers are bleeding heart liberals or, even worse, pedophiles, just like not all catholic priests are pedophiles. I'm a moderate conservative and spent over 30 years in various stages of academia, including my 4 years at UT. I saw all types in education.

Don't believe everything you're told by the media, be it Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, or even the BBC. To think they don't all have a specific agenda is naive. I always look at multiple sources and still take what I read with a grain of salt.

 

[iluvsmesumdooley]

I imagine you're talking Fox News. They seem to have an obsession with teachers who are charged with having sexual relationships with their students. It's pretty grotesque that they seem to have at least one story like that every day. I'd hate to think that it's a propaganda campaign to discredit public education, but you never know.

Point is that there are bad apples in every area of business and public service. To generalize that to all is wrong. Not all teachers are bleeding heart liberals or, even worse, pedophiles, just like not all catholic priests are pedophiles. I'm a moderate conservative and spent over 30 years in various stages of academia, including my 4 years at UT. I saw all types in education.



Don't believe everything you're told by the media, be it Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, or even the BBC. To think they don't all have a specific agenda is naive. I always look at multiple sources and still take what I read with a grain of salt.

Unfortunately, you are correct. Fox, CNN, etc. seem to have an agenda these days. I denied it for a long time, but it's too hard to do so no. While I will not go as far as to call them "fake news" (that's fits more for little crap news outlets like Occupy Democrats, Breitbart, National Enquirer, etc.), they hone in on mistakes made by employees of either "liberal" or "conservative" jobs. Another example not given was how CNN, etc. focus on the bad cops, while the vast majority of policemen are brave and put their lives on the line every single day. Then FOX will hone in on some bad apple from the Black Lives Matter movement, when in reality the people responsible for the movement are simply concerned with how they are treated. They are scared for a reason, and just wanted a voice.

Don't buy into the crap. Crap sells - I said that earlier. There are good and bad people in every single profession. It's common sense.

 

[Hacksaw]

The problem, IMO, has nothing to do with the way teachers are portrayed in the media. For the most part, they are lauded -- and deservedly so for most of them, I'm sure.

The problem is that we spend over $10,000 per student every year, on average, and consistently rank lower than other developed countries in quality of education. And a lot of the reasons/excuses given for why have been discredited. It's no wonder that most parents who can afford the tuition opt to send their kids to private schools that have to compete with each other to offer a higher quality of education.

Imagine if the government, instead of allocating the $10k+ every year, gave parents the option of taking half of that amount to be applied towards home-schooling or private school tuition. How many parents would jump at the chance? Especially lower income parents, whose kids are more likely to be in schools that have the lowest results?

Unfortunately, we'll probably never find out. There's one thing no one can deny that the system we have now is good at -- and that's protecting itself.

 

[Vol8188]

The problem, IMO, has nothing to do with the way teachers are portrayed in the media. For the most part, they are lauded -- and deservedly so for most of them, I'm sure.

The problem is that we spend over $10,000 per student every year, on average, and consistently rank lower than other developed countries in quality of education. And a lot of the reasons/excuses given for why have been discredited. It's no wonder that most parents who can afford the tuition opt to send their kids to private schools that have to compete with each other to offer a higher quality of education.

Imagine if the government, instead of allocating the $10k+ every year, gave parents the option of taking half of that amount to be applied towards home-schooling or private school tuition. How many parents would jump at the chance? Especially lower income parents, whose kids are more likely to be in schools that have the lowest results?

Unfortunately, we'll probably never find out. There's one thing no one can deny that the system we have now is good at -- and that's protecting itself.

Unlike many of those countries, we educate everyone. Even worse, we have a federal government dumb enough to judge schools based on graduation rate. Which means there's no incentive for students to do anything because they'll pass either way

 

[Vol Main]

No reflection on Coach Priutt but these days when I think of educators I think of unqualified people who indoctrinate high school and colleges in to socialism and communism
I also think of adult teachers on high school who have sex with 15 year old students and when caught they have no remorse.
Just saying

Why don't you think about the way things really are, for 99% of the men and women who teach? You'll need to lose your own sour attitude and negative dominance to do that,

 

[82_VOL_83]

WTF is that!?!?!?!

 

[82_VOL_83]

You seem kind of angry. Do I have the right to ask questions or don't I? I already said in a previous post that there are a lot of good, honest, hard-working teachers out there who care deeply about what they do. They have my respect. I'm sure Mrs. Coach_Z is one of them. I have no reason to think otherwise.

But we spend an absurd amount of money every year on public education and there seems to be no accountability when the results are lacking. The default is always that we need to spend more money. And if you question it, just look at your own reaction as an example of the hostility it evokes. How many states have approved lotteries with the promise that the revenue generated will solve education budgeting problems? And yet every election (at least where I live) there are ballot measures demanding more tax money in order to head-off some doomsday scenario.

Asking questions does not equate to an attack on teachers.

When you understand the only metric tracked is throughput, you have answered all of your questions.

 

[82_VOL_83]

"unqualifed people.." - each state establishes teacher certification criteria and standards. Unfortunately, some of the best and brightest would never dream of entering education because of the pay. And that will never change, because there aren't many folks that are willing to pay even one more cent in taxes to help fund education.....

"indoctrinate high schools..." - curriculum is developed by state departments of education. Some of the most politically extreme (conservative and liberal) people I know are public school teachers. They would walk out before they were forced to teach a curriculum endorsing socialism, communism, or any belief system. Teachers teach and students learn the state standards (facts, concepts, and skills) not belief systems. If you don't believe so, pick a random high school near you and go ask to look at a copy of their social studies book. Or better yet, ask to observe a class. Or better yet, offer to volunteer.... I promise you, every school needs more of them..

I won't even address the sex with students comment.

Just please pause for one second before posting comments and opinions that are insulting and demeaning to an entire group of professionals, most of whom work extremely hard for little money and zero recognition, and they do so because they want to make a difference in kids' lives. Certainly some teachers are inept and unqualified to teach. But broad, oversimplified statements like the above are lazy at best, ignorant and damaging at worst.

Just my 2 cents.

If you don't think that teachers indoctrinate kids with their personal political beliefs, you need to crawl out of the back woods. This has been going on forever at the post secondary level and reaches down as far as middle school or lower now. Many teachers teach revisionist ideas, many teach out right socialistic ideas. My children were exposed to this at West Valley Middle, Bearden HS, and UT. Politics in the classroom is alive and well. It may be that you don't see it because it is also your politics.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I imagine you're talking Fox News. They seem to have an obsession with teachers who are charged with having sexual relationships with their students. It's pretty grotesque that they seem to have at least one story like that every day. I'd hate to think that it's a propaganda campaign to discredit public education, but you never know.

Point is that there are bad apples in every area of business and public service. To generalize that to all is wrong. Not all teachers are bleeding heart liberals or, even worse, pedophiles, just like not all catholic priests are pedophiles. I'm a moderate conservative and spent over 30 years in various stages of academia, including my 4 years at UT. I saw all types in education.

Don't believe everything you're told by the media, be it Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, or even the BBC. To think they don't all have a specific agenda is naive. I always look at multiple sources and still take what I read with a grain of salt.

Stretch the truth much?

 

[82_VOL_83]

The problem, IMO, has nothing to do with the way teachers are portrayed in the media. For the most part, they are lauded -- and deservedly so for most of them, I'm sure.

The problem is that we spend over $10,000 per student every year, on average, and consistently rank lower than other developed countries in quality of education. And a lot of the reasons/excuses given for why have been discredited. It's no wonder that most parents who can afford the tuition opt to send their kids to private schools that have to compete with each other to offer a higher quality of education.

Imagine if the government, instead of allocating the $10k+ every year, gave parents the option of taking half of that amount to be applied towards home-schooling or private school tuition. How many parents would jump at the chance? Especially lower income parents, whose kids are more likely to be in schools that have the lowest results?

Unfortunately, we'll probably never find out. There's one thing no one can deny that the system we have now is good at -- and that's protecting itself.

Very few. Tuition at private schools run $15k to $20k per year. $5k won't dent it enough to make much change.

 

[BloomuVol]

Very few. Tuition at private schools run $15k to $20k per year. $5k won't dent it enough to make much change.

With a larger market for quality schools, there would be an expansion in competition that would also drive costs down to the most managable level.
Simple supply and demand, increase in demand drives an increase in supply( more affordable private education).

 

[UTRavens]

If you don't think that teachers indoctrinate kids with their personal political beliefs, you need to crawl out of the back woods. This has been going on forever at the post secondary level and reaches down as far as middle school or lower now. Many teachers teach revisionist ideas, many teach out right socialistic ideas. My children were exposed to this at West Valley Middle, Bearden HS, and UT. Politics in the classroom is alive and well. It may be that you don't see it because it is also your politics.

What were some of the specifics of what you found your children being taught that would fit under "indoctrination"? I'm curious.

 

[Vol_Doc]

Stretch the truth much?

Not at all. Check the front page of Fox News every day for a week and tell me how many such stories you find. I thought it was coincidence, but then I really started paying attention. It's truly bizarre.

 

[stevenrich2003]

Teacher get such a shady deal. They are responsible for the most important thing.... Education and they get paid crap. Get piles of crap put on them for kids that have parents that dont care about them. Then they are judge and fired if a kid thats at school to get a free meal will not perform in the classroom. I used to think I would make a good teacher... I lied. I would be fired the first day for choking one of the kids to death for a having such a bad attitude.

 

[Vol_Doc]

With a larger market for quality schools, there would be an expansion in competition that would also drive costs down to the most managable level.
Simple supply and demand, increase in demand drives an increase in supply( more affordable private education).

Doubtful. One of the reasons private school tuition is high is the teacher to student ratio. In a public school, you'll have 1 teacher for every 25-30 students, while in private schools the ratio is half that or less. The students get far more one on one attention and the curriculum can often be individualized to the student.

 

[alexbond45]

No reflection on Coach Priutt but these days when I think of educators I think of unqualified people who indoctrinate high school and colleges in to socialism and communism
I also think of adult teachers on high school who have sex with 15 year old students and when caught they have no remorse.
Just saying

Those'll be the fun parents to encounter at the band booster meetings

 

[BloomuVol]

Doubtful. One of the reasons private school tuition is high is the teacher to student ratio. In a public school, you'll have 1 teacher for every 25-30 students, while in private schools the ratio is half that or less. The students get far more one on one attention and the curriculum can often be individualized to the student.

There is overwhelming evidence supporting my statement, google thales academy and educate yourself.

 

[Vol_Doc]

There is overwhelming evidence supporting my statement, google thales academy and educate yourself.

I know plenty about private schools. Both my kids go to one, and my town has a higher than average density of them, between independent and parochial offerings, because the public schools are a mess (mainly due to mandated cross-town bussing for socioeconomic diversity). Has that driven down costs? Not in the slightest.