Forgive and forget?

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vol_sec said:
I’m interested to see what South Carolina does against Clemson. Have they turned a corner and UT was the turnaround game or is it going to be another 45-7 beat down confirming it was all on UT. That will be very interesting to see. Though they are playing at Clemson. But at the start of the season, if you had told me the game outcomes, I would have taken it. So clearly above expectations for the year even though the loss last night really stinged, but I am hoping for a continued upward trend next year starting with fixing the secondary.
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South Carolina is trash we just made them look good.
 
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Banks is a Memphis thug, always has been. He feels that he is entitled, like most of the Memphis basketball players.

Flame away!!
 
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Jaxon_Vol2017 said:
A 10-2 season is still an amazing season considering where we've been the last 15 years. I don't care what all these unrealistic jack wads think about it either. We should all be ecstatic about this year.
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It is a good season but we have to get there first. Most thought we were a lock for 11-1. No Hooker now as well.
 
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lifeisdeep said:
What concerns me is how poorly Heupel handled it, which is patently obvious from the way the team played last night. To have one player fly off the rails is understandable given the NIL world we live in now; but to let an entire team just decide to phone it in, which is now the obvious, inescapable answer to that mess we witnessed last night, is just being a bad leader and coach.

I was thinking during the first half, before we knew about the locker room situation, that Heupel needed to blast the team during halftime: threaten to yank scholarships, revoke NIL deals, whatever he could do to get their attention. Then when we came out after the half the sideline reporter that interviewed him said he had been calm with them and acted like it was no big deal, just keep playing - which worked like a lead balloon. He couldn't have been much more clueless about the mindset of his team and what they needed to hear.

More to the point is the fact he should have seen this during the week. I can't imagine there wasn't some hint of this attitude among the players in the way practices were going; that's when a good coach gets in his players' grits and gets them back on track. We fans were thinking during the game that they took SC for granted; now we know it wasn't that attitude mistake, but a worse one - not giving a damn about the result of the game, not giving a damn about the millions of people that follow this team religiously every week and spend tens of millions of dollars a year to fund their NIL deals, NFL dreams, college education, etc. Our team played like a bunch of entitled spoiled brats last night, and Heupel stood on the sideline clapping like Fulmer while they did it.

Has Saban ever once had a beatdown like we endured last night? I know he lost to Louisiana-Lafayette his first year at Bama; but his second year they only lost one game, and it was close; and then of course he won the NC his third year. As far as I recall, he has never been blown out at Bama. Obviously he has had times where one or another athlete made himself bigger than the team, but somehow he handled it in a way that kept everyone else on board because we never even heard about any of those instances. It's wildly obvious that Heupel did not handle this well this week, because this team just laid down on him last night. That not only explains the defense's inexcusable performance, but Hyatt dropping multiple passes that he normally catches, the O-line run-blocking worse against SC than they did against UGA, etc.

Hopefully Heupel has enough common sense to hire a new DC and secondary coach this week. If he sticks with Banks and Martinez, he'll be looking for a new job in two or three years, and he will deserve to be.
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Hiring a Sports psychologist in the off-season and setting up a weekly session for every player on the team wouldn't be such a bad idea. Also show some passion and anger on the sidelines when you are down. Stress to the players that losing to teams like South Carolina is unacceptable at UT and will not be tolerated lightly.
 
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loservol said:
Hiring a Sports psychologist in the off-season and setting up a weekly session for every player on the team wouldn't be such a bad idea. Also show some passion and anger on the sidelines when you are down. Stress to the players that losing to teams like South Carilina is unacceptable at UT and will not be tolerated lightly.
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Heck, threaten them with six sessions with Dave Ramsey. How could that lose?
 
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lifeisdeep said:
What concerns me is how poorly Heupel handled it, which is patently obvious from the way the team played last night. To have one player fly off the rails is understandable given the NIL world we live in now; but to let an entire team just decide to phone it in, which is now the obvious, inescapable answer to that mess we witnessed last night, is just being a bad leader and coach.

I was thinking during the first half, before we knew about the locker room situation, that Heupel needed to blast the team during halftime: threaten to yank scholarships, revoke NIL deals, whatever he could do to get their attention. Then when we came out after the half the sideline reporter that interviewed him said he had been calm with them and acted like it was no big deal, just keep playing - which worked like a lead balloon. He couldn't have been much more clueless about the mindset of his team and what they needed to hear.

More to the point is the fact he should have seen this during the week. I can't imagine there wasn't some hint of this attitude among the players in the way practices were going; that's when a good coach gets in his players' grits and gets them back on track. We fans were thinking during the game that they took SC for granted; now we know it wasn't that attitude mistake, but a worse one - not giving a damn about the result of the game, not giving a damn about the millions of people that follow this team religiously every week and spend tens of millions of dollars a year to fund their NIL deals, NFL dreams, college education, etc. Our team played like a bunch of entitled spoiled brats last night, and Heupel stood on the sideline clapping like Fulmer while they did it.

Has Saban ever once had a beatdown like we endured last night? I know he lost to Louisiana-Lafayette his first year at Bama; but his second year they only lost one game, and it was close; and then of course he won the NC his third year. As far as I recall, he has never been blown out at Bama. Obviously he has had times where one or another athlete made himself bigger than the team, but somehow he handled it in a way that kept everyone else on board because we never even heard about any of those instances. It's wildly obvious that Heupel did not handle this well this week, because this team just laid down on him last night. That not only explains the defense's inexcusable performance, but Hyatt dropping multiple passes that he normally catches, the O-line run-blocking worse against SC than they did against UGA, etc.

Hopefully Heupel has enough common sense to hire a new DC and secondary coach this week. If he sticks with Banks and Martinez, he'll be looking for a new job in two or three years, and he will deserve to be.
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What exactly do we know about the locker room situation?

loservol said:
Hiring a Sports psychologist in the off-season and setting up a weekly session for every player on the team wouldn't be such a bad idea. Also show some passion and anger on the sidelines when you are down. Stress to the players that losing to teams like South Carolina is unacceptable at UT and will not be tolerated lightly.
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Or what? With what consequences?
 
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lifeisdeep said:
What concerns me is how poorly Heupel handled it, which is patently obvious from the way the team played last night. To have one player fly off the rails is understandable given the NIL world we live in now; but to let an entire team just decide to phone it in, which is now the obvious, inescapable answer to that mess we witnessed last night, is just being a bad leader and coach.

I was thinking during the first half, before we knew about the locker room situation, that Heupel needed to blast the team during halftime: threaten to yank scholarships, revoke NIL deals, whatever he could do to get their attention. Then when we came out after the half the sideline reporter that interviewed him said he had been calm with them and acted like it was no big deal, just keep playing - which worked like a lead balloon. He couldn't have been much more clueless about the mindset of his team and what they needed to hear.

More to the point is the fact he should have seen this during the week. I can't imagine there wasn't some hint of this attitude among the players in the way practices were going; that's when a good coach gets in his players' grits and gets them back on track. We fans were thinking during the game that they took SC for granted; now we know it wasn't that attitude mistake, but a worse one - not giving a damn about the result of the game, not giving a damn about the millions of people that follow this team religiously every week and spend tens of millions of dollars a year to fund their NIL deals, NFL dreams, college education, etc. Our team played like a bunch of entitled spoiled brats last night, and Heupel stood on the sideline clapping like Fulmer while they did it.

Has Saban ever once had a beatdown like we endured last night? I know he lost to Louisiana-Lafayette his first year at Bama; but his second year they only lost one game, and it was close; and then of course he won the NC his third year. As far as I recall, he has never been blown out at Bama. Obviously he has had times where one or another athlete made himself bigger than the team, but somehow he handled it in a way that kept everyone else on board because we never even heard about any of those instances. It's wildly obvious that Heupel did not handle this well this week, because this team just laid down on him last night. That not only explains the defense's inexcusable performance, but Hyatt dropping multiple passes that he normally catches, the O-line run-blocking worse against SC than they did against UGA, etc.

Hopefully Heupel has enough common sense to hire a new DC and secondary coach this week. If he sticks with Banks and Martinez, he'll be looking for a new job in two or three years, and he will deserve to be.
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Heup May well have read them the riot act at halftime. We don’t know. He seems very hesitant to publicly shame players. I bet he is totally different in the privacy of the locker room.
 
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wmcovol said:
coaches love them. Players hate them. 15 practices in the cold suck. The “practices” at bowl site are justvwalk thrus.
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The Coach episode where they got the bowl bid to Valley Forge in the middle of a blizzard and the starting quarterback got kicked off the team for complaining was a classic 😂😂😂
 
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Jaxon_Vol2017 said:
A 10-2 season is still an amazing season considering where we've been the last 15 years. I don't care what all these unrealistic jack wads think about it either. We should all be ecstatic about this year.
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Need to end the season on a high note.
 
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74charger said:
Beat vandy (bad) and win your bowl game and all is forgiven but not forgotten. Lose to vandy and incur well deserved wrath of the fans and media!
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That sounds like a threat. What are you going to do if they lose, beat up a few linebackers? Dude, we're fans, not the team's overlords.
 
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I read an interview with a VFL who played here during some bad years. He said the hardest thing for a coach to do is change a loser mentality among players, which inevitably develops after years of losing. if you think the fans are the only ones that have had BVS, think again. That's what Heupel faced when he got here. He has said he reached them by loving them, not giving them the harsh treatment. Now, he has a different problem - handling guys who don't yet really know how to handle winning. Add in the NIL stuff and he's got a lot on his plate. It'll probably take a little time to work through it.
 
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Remy said:
I'm not sure ANY Head Football coach has a long term future at UT if losing to Vandy is on their resume.
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Unfortunately, it is kind of the coach killer game historically and Vandy is winning some games right now, our boys need to settle down and get serious for this one
 
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