Forde calls out Fulmer and PAC-10 officiating

#26
#26
I was at the game, so I may not have had the "best" view (though they did show it on the jumbotron). I'm pretty sure they made the right call. It was very close, but the ball was partially across the goal line when the player was downed.

As much as I would have liked a safety, I don't think it was.

Regardless, we pretty much deserved to lose that game. UCLA is not a good team. We kept killing ourselves (for myriad reasons -- everybody shares the blame). Credit to UCLA for hanging in there and making adjustments. They played well in the second half. But really, we gave them just enough rope to hang us with ... and they strung us up like a criminal.
 
#27
#27
I don't see how two points and the ball around our own 30-to-midfield (depending on return) is worse than no points and th ball deep in UCLA territory.
 
#28
#28
How sad iis it that we've gotten to the point about complaining that a so called missed safety call is why we lost? Not that everyone in this thread is, but to me the safety/non safety should be moot. UT should have won by at least 2 touchdowns. I could care less about the refs.
 
#29
#29
Officiating has absolutely nothing to do with that loss. There are no excuses for the way we performed, and should have never been in that situation.
 
#30
#30
We should've won the game anyway, but Pac 10 officials have proven to be the cheatinest sob's on the planet. Did anybody hear Neuheisel(sp?) say before the game that "They hoped to keep it close in the 4th, and have a little home cooking to steal one away."? When I heard that in pregame I knew the refs weren't gonna be fair to us. I think that other BCS conferences need to boycott Pac10 road games until they let visiting conference officials do games. It is absolutely ridiculous that they continue to do that when nobody else does.

Just to avoid any argument, I thought this long before we played UCLA this year, so no it is not a kneejerk reaction to our loss. And I would also like to say again that we still should have won.
 
#31
#31
Alabama 07 all over again...running the ball with authority and then out of the blue start passing. You have to wonder WTH is this goober thinking.
 
#32
#32
Game was lost due to sloppy play period. T is much bettter than UCLA. We can not depend on the refs to call the game correctly. You play to win and we didn't do that period.
 
#34
#34
I'm not going to blame the refs on this one even though they did suck. But fact of the matter is, with 4th picks in the first half we should of been so far ahead that the refs terrible calls wouldn't have any effect on the game.
 
#36
#36
Not saying anything as to whether or not it would have changed the game, but purely on the topic of bad officiating...

There was one play on third down (I think) where Crompton got tackled by two defenders and a third one came in a speared him helmet to helmet after he was already down that didn't get flagged and the ref was staring right at it.
 
#37
#37
First post since the loss, no need to rehash what as already been said. But a quick question. When a nonconference game is at Neyland, I thought the officials used were from the visiting teams conference? And if this is the case, why is it that the officials used were Pac 10 officials? Do they want nonconference teams to play at their house and against their officiating?

BYW, the game should not have come do to officiating. But since it was a close game...
 
#38
#38
There were so many blown calls I couldn't keep count.
what about the two point conversion call. His knee
was down before the ball crossed the goal line.

I don't like how the new rules are either with the time clock.

2 years ago when Tennessee play Vandy in Nashville there was a questionable call about a catch that was called incomplete that would have led to a touchdown. That Sunday morning after the game me and my brother stopped at Cracker barrel on our way home. And who do you think sat down beside us at the next two tables. The officials and their family. One brought up the questionable play wheither it was a catch or not. One of the other officials said it was but Fulmer had pissed him off so he called it incomplete.
 
#39
#39
vader said:
I agree that we abandoned the run for no good reason last night, but wasn't our run game non-existent against Florida a couple of years ago?
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Yeah to the tune of -2 yards i think for the whole game.
 
#40
#40
They were bad but a lot of home teams get home cooking. Just ask Vandy when they played at Florida and got the only celebrating penalty all year.:crazy:
 
#41
#41
So if the tip of the ball is all that crossed the line (I think he was down before then for a safety), then why do they spot the ball a full yard outside the endzone. Shouldn't the ball be placed exactly where it stopped? It's free yards.
 
#42
#42
As for your question as to how the ball got spotted after the close play. This is one of the weird rules of college football that is hardly ever seen or used. As most of you know the edge of the line closest to the endzone was the imaginary line that UCLA's forward progress had to cross to avoid the safety. (The other edge of the line was the imaginary line where if UT had the ball the point of the ball has to cross to score a touchdown)

When the official ruled that forward progress had the tip of the ball at or passed this line he spotted the entire ball forward of UT's edge of the line. The reason is that the ball from tip to tip is considered the neutral zone. Since the neutral zone cannot extend beyond UT's imaginary line the entire ball has to spotted in front of the entire line. Yes, UCLA gained the length of the ball plus the width of the line for free. Weird huh.

BTW if you've ever watched any high school ball there's a difference between the rules. In college, when the team turns it over on downs, the ball is merely flipped over keeping the nose on the same imaginary line. In high school, you lose the length of the ball.
 
#43
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droski said:
I looked to me like his elbow was down in the endzone which would make it a safety no?
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It's where the BALL is when the elbow or knee hits the ground.

And - something I did not know - the ball only has to break the plane of the INSIDE of the goal line to avoid a safety. The announcers mentioned that.

There was nothing in the replays I saw that was conclusive proof it was a safety. And the proof would have had to be conclusive to overturn the ruling on the field.

Plus the official away from the camera - the one who had a good look at where the ball was - called the play immediately.

Not saying the call was right - just saying I didn't see any evidence that it was wrong.

Cheers.
 
#44
#44
You're absolutely right Droski, but since this rule should apply to all situations, there is something I've never seen in all my days of watching football. According to this rule if a player fielding a kickoff from the endzone should intentionally put a knee down just barely in the endzone in order to get a touchback (ball spotted on the 20) and is holding the ball out in front of himself, shouldn't the ball be spotted on the 1 foot line? Answer: Yes it should, but it's never called or at least I've never seen it.
 
#45
#45
VolsSportsFan said:
How sad iis it that we've gotten to the point about complaining that a so called missed safety call is why we lost? Not that everyone in this thread is, but to me the safety/non safety should be moot. UT should have won by at least 2 touchdowns. I could care less about the refs.
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I've seen and heard so very little of this. Most fans have properly placed the blame. It wasn't even mentioned on a Knoxville sports radio show I listened to yesterday.
 
#46
#46
Bruleif said:
It's where the BALL is when the elbow or knee hits the ground.

And - something I did not know - the ball only has to break the plane of the INSIDE of the goal line to avoid a safety. The announcers mentioned that.

There was nothing in the replays I saw that was conclusive proof it was a safety. And the proof would have had to be conclusive to overturn the ruling on the field.

Plus the official away from the camera - the one who had a good look at where the ball was - called the play immediately.

Not saying the call was right - just saying I didn't see any evidence that it was wrong.

Cheers.
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The announcers had it wrong the entire ball has to be passed the line to avoid a safety. An official expained it to me yesterday. But I hate this the officials cost us bs! We were clearly not prepared for this game (coaching staff or players)! Had we been officiating wouldn't have been an issue!
 
#47
#47
cd12 said:
The announcers had it wrong the entire ball has to be passed the line to avoid a safety. An official expained it to me yesterday. But I hate this the officials cost us bs! We were clearly not prepared for this game (coaching staff or players)! Had we been officiating wouldn't have been an issue!
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Whatever "official" explained it to you, was wrong. It clearly states in the rules that the ball simply has to "break" the plane, from either side. The goal line is considered a "neutral zone". I will send you a link to the official rules if you want.
 
#48
#48
So if the ball touches the goaline going in its a touchdown and considered in the endzone. So if its cosidered part of the endzone going in....... no biggie to me but the guy is a retired SEC official but he is from Alabama so that might explain it. I dont need the rule book but thanks for the info.....its just a guide...there is some decrection involved.
 
#49
#49
Just wanted to reiterate the fact that the correct call was made. Why Forde chose to bring up a clearly correct call made by the officials and omit the no-call of the HUGE offensive lineman ten yards downfield on the pass is beyond me. IMO that call was bigger than any other one in the game.
 
#50
#50
armchairvol said:
RE the "safety": From what I saw he got the tip of the ball over the line, meaning in the field of play. It was close but i thought he made it out.
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If only the tip of the ball is out, then they would have to start the next play with the ball actually on the goaline. I think if only the tip of the ball is out, it's a safety, unless I'm wrong on the rules.

That said, we got the ball on the UCLA 26 after that and scored no points. We had a great opportunity right there to overcome that call.

EDIT: After reading more posts, I get it now. Thanks for the rules explanation.
 
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